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Selke Trophy Leader

In mid-March I picked Patrice Bergeron of the Boston Bruins as the Selke Trophy leader.  He had surpassed Jonathan Toews of the Chicago Blackhawks, who had been my previous leader.  Since that time Bergeron suffered a concussion and has missed the last couple weeks of games.  Thus I think Toews is again the Selke Trophy leader.

Toews plays against Chicago's toughest opposition and shuts them down.  He has a +27 +/- rating leading the West Conference.  He is a strong Selke Trophy candidate.

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Joe Z.'s avatar

holy cow! you made some good arguments here!

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 04/17/13 at 04:26 AM ET

redxblack's avatar

+/- has to be the weakest thing to base defensive play upon. Takeaways would be a much better statistic. The award is for the best defensive forward, not the one who happens to be on the ice when something happens.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 04/17/13 at 10:35 AM ET

Tripwire32's avatar

Takeaways would be a much better statistic.

Yes, that and maybe combined with fewest goals scored against while on the ice; which is different from +/- (a net result stat).

Posted by Tripwire32 from Kay He Mar Heart on 04/17/13 at 10:39 AM ET

redxblack's avatar

Also, time played on successful PKs could be factored in, as PK (and PP) are not part of +/-

But I’m pretty sure we’ve hashed this out before.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 04/17/13 at 10:42 AM ET

PuckStopsHere's avatar

It’s definitely true that +/- is not the greatest defensive stat but it isn’t obvious that the numbers you are suggesting do any better.  If I start using “advanced stats” in my written argument (you ought to know they are taken into account in my picks) what becomes a short post becomes much longer as I try to explain what the numbers mean and the focus leaves from the question of who is the Selke leader and becomes the value of the numbers.

Toews has very good underlying numbers and that shows itself in his top +/- so I just quoted it.

Posted by PuckStopsHere on 04/17/13 at 10:46 AM ET

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