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Having “A Hockey Discussion” with The Puck Stops Here

If you\‘re familiar with the Kuklas Korner stable of blogs and haven\‘t blocked any of them yet, then you\‘re very likely familiar with the Blog The Puck Stops Here. Actually, if you\‘ve blocked any of the blogs on Kuklas Korner from your main page feed (a very cool feature rolled out recently to members), then it\‘s even more likely that you\‘re familiar with this blog.

The Puck Stops Here is one of the bloggers who has been with the site for a long time. His posts are often pieces that are designed to take a statistical look at the world of hockey and make sense of the confusion. Sometimes he jumps to erroneous conclusions (like when he angrily typed up a missive in his own comments stating that he feels he would make a better GM than Steve Yzerman... to quote him \“I watch games regularly.  I have a far better background in statistics than Steve Yzerman does and can make much more sense of the numbers behind the game than he would ever hope to.\”) and sometimes he comes up with very thought-provoking material. Unfortunately, woe be to the poor soul who disagrees with a conclusion brought about by TPSH.

A recent example of this happened just yesterday, as TPSH posted a blog called \‘Early Top Defenseman\’. In this writeup, he names Dion Phaneuf as the front-runner for the Norris Trophy after only eight games. This is one post in a series he\‘s done in the past and will likely continue to do where he tracks trophy candidates from the beginning of the season right up until it\‘s time to explain what broken reasoning the PHWA used when disagreeing with his picks for the various pieces of postseason hardware.

As usual, there are people who disagree that one should be going so far as to say \“Norris Front Runner\” on this side of Halloween. When faced with this criticism, TPSH responded as such:

Some of the commenters here must not be interested in hockey as they would rather say its too early in the season than discuss hockey.  That is a shame.

This is a tone often employed by this author when faced with criticism. He often becomes accusatory and patronizing. If you\‘re at all familiar with my history on that site, you\‘ll know what came in response:

Hooray logical progressions!

TPSH claims that commenters who do not wish to discuss end of season awards in October are not interested in hockey.

THEREFORE, it can be logically inferred that TPSH doesn’t consider hockey to be anything more than the sum of the postseason NHL awards given out.

Trying to fight fire with fire, TPSH responded with this:

It can be logically inferred that JJ is just here to be a smart ass.  He obviously doesn\‘t want a serious conversation about anything.

To be honest, that\‘s a fairly good comeback from somebody who I feel has the emotional range of a toaster. Unfortunately, from here, the situation devolved. I made attempt after attempt to answer the charge that I don\‘t want a serious conversation about anything only to see my comments repeatedly deleted.  TPSH\‘s reasoning for deleting my comments are numerous and varied, but they all come down to the same thing in the end: that my comments in response to this accusation are not sufficiently hockey-related to remain public.

This is to say nothing about how hockey-related the comment that I\‘m just here to be a smart ass and that I obviously don\‘t want a serious conversation about anything is, just that apparently, I\‘m not allowed to have a serious conversation about a topic that TPSH first brought up.

After several tries to get my comments accepted and several taunting emails from him about how he would not let that happen, I settled on posting \“I want a serious conversation, but you keep deleting my comments.\” The only reason I can think that he would delete this one is that he does not want people to know that he deletes comments of those who disagree with him.  To TSPH, the concept of \“winning\” an argument is more important than having a discussion. What\‘s more on his blog, he is allowed to take personal shots at the intelligence or hockey-dedication of his commenters, but he will not accept similar responses, even if he\‘s the one to bring up the subject in the first place.

In my opinion, this is cowardly and childish behavior from a blogger. I, like many other commenters have found that his answer for persistence in asking that he follow the rules he sets for his commenters is to eventually start editing their comments in a way so as to put words on the screen that you did not type. I was warned via email that persisting to demand to be allowed to answer the accusation that I\‘m not interested in having a serious conversation about anything would lead to this and found that my last comment had been changed to this:

I would like to see Dion Phaneuf on the Detroit Red Wings.

edit necessary to make it a hockey comment.

As of this writing, I have still not received an answer from him about how calling me a smart ass and saying it\‘s obvious I don\‘t want to have a serious conversation is a hockey comment. 

But I\‘m not going to worry about that… Instead, I\‘m going to take advantage of Kuklas Korner\‘s great blog-blocking feature.  Thank you for making this a possibility, Paul.  I only hope that being ignored doesn\‘t drive TPSH to troll others even louder so that he can use his tyrannical rule over his own little blog to make himself feel powerful.

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J.J. from Kansas's avatar

i think the fact that any anti-wings talk on A2Y get you banned

This is not a fact, it is an extremely irresponsible exaggeration.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/27/11 at 12:04 AM ET


Anti-Wing talk will never get you banned at A2Y or KK
it will, and it has…all while A2Y posters make personal attack after personal attack.

call someone a fa**ot?  paul has no issue with that, as long as your a A2Y member.

post on A2Y about how you’re happy the wings lost?  IP ban.

this guy isn’t fooling anyone.

Posted by bob loblaw on 10/27/11 at 12:37 AM ET

Paul's avatar

Anti-Wing talk will never get you banned at A2Y or KK
it will, and it has…all while A2Y posters make personal attack after personal attack.

call someone a fa**ot? paul has no issue with that, as long as your a A2Y member.

post on A2Y about how you’re happy the wings lost? IP ban.

this guy isn’t fooling anyone.

Posted by bob loblaw on 10/26/11 at 10:37 PM ET

If you have an issue with me, email me, don’t hide behind an anonymous name and no email address.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/27/11 at 12:40 AM ET

redxblack's avatar

How appropriate that the lying troll is using a screen name of a Scott Baio character. He thinks he’s a Fonz, but he’s really a Chachi. It’s sad, really.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 10/27/11 at 12:50 AM ET

awould's avatar

He thinks he’s a Fonz, but he’s really a Chachi.

More like a Potsie.

Posted by awould on 10/27/11 at 01:11 AM ET

cigar_nurse's avatar

Wowzerrs JJ Can o’ worms all over the super highway. You are right with your logic and all comments about TPSH. He is the emperor without his clothes. Pretty sad and pathetic really. Never read his posts and statistics anymore. There just isn’t any sense or logic to any of it.  I won’t even respond to the troll. I really hope you get down to the bottom of these accusations Paul and deal with them appropriatly. Yours and this blog’s integrity is very important to uphold. I think you ban people when and if it is necessary. That goes for Red Wing fans or others.

Posted by cigar_nurse from On The mend for next season Greenville Pylons on 10/27/11 at 01:39 AM ET


While it’s nice to see someone finally take TPSH to task for his behaviour as a blogger it is a bit of a stain on KK’s reputation that in his defense all he can do is troll the thread. That is rather unfortunate and quite sad.

Posted by Iggy_Rules on 10/27/11 at 10:27 AM ET

Primis's avatar

TPH still writes?

Why, exactly?

Posted by Primis on 10/27/11 at 01:31 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

TPH still writes?

Why, exactly?

Unfortunately, the answer to that is: Because he still can.

Only Paul can put an end to the underhanded and disreputable behavior of the little boy on the tricycle. Failing to do so tarnishes the image and reputation of the finest hockey site on the Web. Let’s hope he chooses to listen to the overwhelming outcry in JJs post for TPSH’s removal. It’s the right thing to do – and long past due.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 10/27/11 at 08:33 PM ET

13datsyukfan13's avatar

I just wanted to voice my support for, and agreement with JJ as well.

Posted by 13datsyukfan13 from Mid Michigan on 10/27/11 at 09:45 PM ET

Wings_Fan_In_KC's avatar

JJ rules.

TPSH drools.

Posted by Wings_Fan_In_KC from ...somewhere southwest of The Motor City... on 11/07/11 at 09:15 PM ET

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