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Red Wings overnight report: the Nash story you know and a stern talking-to

This morning, the Free Press’s Helene St. James is confirming a story from the general manager’s mouth: as MLive’s Ansar Khan and the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness reported, the Red Wings did indeed attempt to make a very strong push to acquire Rick Nash from the Columbus Blue Jackets, but GM Scott Howson demurred, not wanting to see his franchise’s poster boy play for the Blue Jackets’ self-styled arch-rival.

Ken Holland did indeed make his pitch, but what was probably a better return than the one the New York Rangers sent to central Ohio went over like a practical joke at a funeral:

“I talked to Scott Howson a number of times; we did make an offer for Rick Nash,” Holland said.

The problem for the Wings was this: In order to sell the Blue Jackets on moving their franchise superstar within the Central Division, the offer would have had to be much better than New York’s. The Rangers gave Columbus centers Brandon Dubinsky and Artem Anisimov, defenseman Tim Erixon and a first-round pick. Holland didn’t want to talk names, but at the very least, a trade would have had to start with Johan Franzen or Valtteri Filppula, and from there also include Brendan Smith or Gustav Nyquist, two young players the Wings consider building blocks, plus at least one more player, and a first-round pick. The combined average salaries of the players the Rangers traded adds up almost exactly to Nash’s $7.8-million salary cap hit, but the Wings have more financial flexibility and wouldn’t have needed to worry about that aspect.

Holland said the Wings “talked and explored.” Nash, 28, has reached 40 goals twice in his career and has contributed at least 30 goals each of the past five seasons. At 6-feet-4, 220 pounds, he has the size and skill the Wings sought.

As noted on Monday night, Holland confirmed as much to the Macomb Daily’s Pleiness, too, and whoever Pleiness’s “team source” is fleshed out the offer…kind of…

And according to a source it was a “hell of an offer.” Instead the Blue Jackets dealt Nash, who requested to be traded last January, to the Rangers in exchange for forwards Artem Anisimov and Brandon Dubinsky, defenseman Tim Erixon and a first-round pick.

The Wings were one of the teams reportedly on Nash’s list that he would waive his no-movement clause, along with the Rangers, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Philadelphia and Boston. Detroit’s offer generated zero conversation. It’s not known what the Wings offered, but the source said it was “four pieces.”

And then Holland went and did the thing that seems to be sending all of you batty in suggesting that, minus Shea Weber (didn’t want to sign with an “arch-rival,” either) or possible signings in Shane Doan (still making up his mind, wants a multi-year deal), Alex Semin (see: it’s hard enough to negotiate with a former 40 goal-scorer and convince him that all the red flags surrounding his commitment mean he’s not going to get a huge payday; it’s even harder to negotiate with his agent, crazy Mark Gandler, who’s sent players like Evgeny Artyukhin, Alexander Svitov and yes, Alexei Yashin to Russia because Gandler believes that every client is worth half a gabillion dollars) or any of the potential unrestricted free agent forward (Petr Sykora, Knuble, Jason Arnott, Jochen Hecht, Andrei Kostitsyn and Eric Fehr) or defensive (Scott Hannan, Pavel Kubina, Carlo Colaiacovo, Milan Jurcina, Cam Barker, Jaroslav Spacek and Matt Gilroy) band-aids…

Holland is OK with his team in its current guise…

“As I look at our team today, we’re real excited about our goaltending. We’ve got a 27-year-old guy in Jimmy Howard, who has three years of NHL experience under his belt. We have a 28-year-old guy in Gustavsson that’s got a couple of years in Toronto in him. I believe as a goaltender your best years are probably from 27 and 28 years of age all the way up to 34, that’s when you’ve got your combination of skill and experience. As I look at our team upfront we’re happy with the addition of Tootoo and Samuelsson,” Holland added. “If (Gustav) Nyquist was on any other NHL team in the league they’d give him a chance. We’re going to give him a chance.”

He harbors no regrets regarding his team’s attempt to land Ryan Suter…

“I feel fine with how free agency has gone,” Holland said. “We went in with a game plan. We’re very happy with what happened on July 1.”

And yet, at the same time, Holland does indeed plan to aggressively pursue each and every avenue by which he can improve his team, which probably includes both playing the waiting game with Doan—and as I posted while writing this entry, it now sounds like Doan will be making visits to the serious suitors for his services with perhaps more urgency over the next week or two—Semin and other free agents, as well as exploring trades for Keith Yandle, Jay Bouwmeester and, thanks to yet another player not wanting to play in Long Island, Lubomir Visnovsky:

“We made a decision to target some high profile players, we pursued them and unfortunately we weren’t able to make it happen,” Holland said. “There were circumstances involved. We’re going to continue going forward drafting, developing and expecting to be a playoff team. We’ve got to give some young kids an opportunity.

“We’re going to explore, either through trade or free agency, making a move or two between now and training camp,” Holland continued. “We’re going to see over the next six weeks if we can make something else happen.”

Again, Holland has a couple of tricky challenges ahead of him given that:

1. Shane Doan appears to be the main domino here in terms of the only real “plan B” on the market for the teams that struck out on Parise, and until Doan makes his decision as to whether he’ll remain with Phoenix or sign with another team, not much will happen, especially given that Semin is “plan C”;

2. The honest truth of the matter regarding all the other remaining free agents is that they’re not “alternatives” as much as they are “leftovers,” but given the fact that so few of them have signed, it’s painfully obvious that their agents are insisting that now the two five-pound lobsters are gone from the casino buffet, the Fillet Mignon isn’t sure whether he wants to be served, or to which table he’s going, and the slightly questionably smelly whole salmon comes with a requirement that you eat the whole damn fish, scales, bones and all, there are miles and miles of yesterday’s Swedish meatballs left, but that’s all, and the casino’s still expecting you to pony up $25 for said reheated meatballs;

3. As noted yesterday, with Valtteri Filppula, Jimmy Howard, Ian White, Danny Cleary, Drew Miller and Damien Brunner qualifying for unrestricted free agency next summer and Brendan Smith, Gustav Nyquist, Jan Mursak, Jakub Kindl and a host of other prospects coming off their entry-level deals and becoming restricted free agents under what is almost certain to be a lower cap and a much more restrictive environment in terms of contractual flexibility, the Red Wings cannot afford to overspend this summer to find themselves without the cap space to re-sign a 65-point-scorer in Filppula, their starting goalie, someone who is, at this point, their #2 defenseman, the organization’s two top NHL-playing prospects or any other player the team plans on retaining a year from now;

4. It also bears saying, perhaps for the first time, that nobody’s going to do anything until they find out what the Philadelphia Flyers and Nashville Predators do about the Shea Weber offer sheet.

If the Predators match, that’s one thing; if the Flyers work out a trade, that’s another entirely, and if the Flyers just surrender draft picks?

Well, then you’ll have a team with no cap space, even given Chris Pronger’s likely cap relief as he may not start the season on a blueline already populated by seven other defensemen on a team that currently has to re-sign a restricted free agent in Jakub Voracek and round out the rest of its roster with $7.8 million in cap space sans Weber. And you’ve got a team that will have defensemen and possibly forwards available on the trade market;

5. Whatever happens to Lubomir Visnovsky, whose agent, Neil Sheehy (yes, Ryan Suter’s agent) has filed a grievance with the NHLPA insisting that his client’s trade to the New York Islanders violated the no-trade clause Visnovsky had with Anaheim, will also perk GM’s ears’ up;

6. And the fact that the NHL’s first proposal was met with, “Okay, so how would this work as applied to current players?” instead of, “Okay, well you’ve forced our hand, here’s our counter-proposal” from the NHLPA has clearly put a damper on things, and with CBA negotiations slated to take a full week’s break after the meetings today, tomorrow and Thursday in Toronto (I believe the CBA negotiations resume during the first full week of August), we might find even less impetus from NHL teams to pick through the leftovers.

Long story short?

The Red Wings will continue to examine their trade options and will be talking with the agents of each and every one of the UFA players they’re interested in, maybe on an every-day basis given how incredibly thorough Holland, Jim Nill and Ryan Martin tend to be, but there is absolutely no need for the team to make a move until Doan makes his decision, the Weber offer sheet plays out, we find out whether Visnovsky’s going to be another pissed-off Islander and, very possibly, whether this week will tell us if there’s a lockout in the offing (though that is doubtful).


This has led to a November gale’s worth of Sturm und Drang from Wings fans as we are terrible at waiting and are worried as can be about the team’s ability to recover from the losses of Nicklas Lidstrom, Brad Stuart, Jiri Hudler (Mikael Samuelsson’s more or less a wash there) and, most likely, Tomas Holmstrom, with St. James offering updates on both Holmstrom and Doan...

The Wings still haven’t talked to Tomas Holmstrom regarding his future, but there really isn’t room on the roster for Holmstrom, 39, and he’s expected to retire this summer. .... The Wings remain in waiting mode on unrestricted free agent Shane Doan, whose top choice is to stay in Phoenix.

And with all of that being said, and admitting that yes, I am also scared about what the team I support is going to do, what that team will look like when the season starts, whether that team may have to wait until the regular season begins to sort out a deal (the Wings don’t have a whole lot of leverage right now), or how well the team as it currently stands will manage to compete for the Central Division title and a playoff spot this season…

Y’all need to calm the f*** down.

Given the statements made in the comments section of this blog over the past month, I’ve done my best to remove all sharp objects as many of you seem to want to impale yourselves on whatever’s handy, and I’ve invested in some virtually padded floors as many of you have sprained or broken your ankles jumping off the bandwagon—at this point, I’m honestly surprised that the more virulent and militant Holland critics, who suggested that the Red Wings forfeited every game until the 2022-2023 season and won’t make the playoffs ever, ever again when the team didn’t make a move at the trade deadline, haven’t burned your Wings gear in protest, and more and more of you seem to be joining the ranks of the, “Wings are old and busted, I quit, I want to watch a winning team, when does Lions season start?” club each day.

But despite everything that the more steadily-constituted Wings fans have said, despite anything I’ve said, the vast majority of you are beginning to genuinely scare me.

And I don’t make that statement lightly.

I’m not going to tell you where or when or why, but I have seen the psych ward. I have seen the padded room, albeit from the outside. And I’ve seen the kind of people who need to be in the padded room, and have witnessed the behavior that consigns them to spending hours in a room that is essentially four walls, a ceiling and a floor full of the kind of padding used in kids’ gym classes, with nothing more than a waterproof mattress and no window save the one in the door locked from the outside.

That’s a scary place. Frankly, the psych ward is a scary place, and just going as a visitor is the kind of thing that leaves a stark impression. And there are times I genuinely worry about some of you, because the amount of virtual waling, gnashing of teeth and foaming at the mouth is just utterly ridiculous right now, to the point that some of you genuinely sound not just disturbed about a sports team, but disturbed, period.

It’s got to stop. It’s one thing to vent your frustrations and passionately disagree and even argue, but if being a Wings fan without Nicklas Lidstrom is this damn painful for you, and you’re going to do more than just turn into trolls and bullies, instead choosing to do your best to slam-dance along the four walls of the comments section when anyone dares suggest that the Wings might win a game?

You either need to count to ten before you write, take a five-minute break, throw something soft at the wall or, in some instances, find another team or another sport. This s*** is getting utterly stupid.

While I am well aware of the fact that the wait is intolerable, and that this is a scary, scary summer for fans who live vicariously through a sports team they have passionately followed and expected nothing less than Stanley Cups from on an every-season basis, and simply will not pay to follow if that standard should slip minus Nicklas Lidstrom, especially if the team dares to “settle” for second best…

I know crazy. I know crazy very well. Mental illness runs in my damn family, I deal with depression and an anxiety disorder and I probably narrowly averted a depressive episode over the last week, and am in a lot of plain old physical as well as mental discomfort right now because of it.

And when I venture into the comments section, some of the more fatalistic members of this community are making me sound well-adjusted.

Put simply, if you’re going to spazz out like a rabid monkey or a little kid throwing a tantrum for every second that the Wings’ management land the Ryan Suters, Rick Nashs, Shew Webers, Bobby Ryans, Alex Semins, Shane Doans, etc. of the world?

Calm the f*** down or get off the God-damned bandwagon for good, hawk your Wings stuff on eBay and find something else to occupy your discretionary time and income.

This is probably the hardest summer Wings fans have faced since 2006, and maybe I’m going to regret not just posting the news and my opinion, but also offering, “Y’all got to check yo self before you wreck yo self” suggestions…

But Jeebus Monkey, people, this is getting out of hand, and as much as these entries go out and become yours, and as much as dissent and faith with doubt are all part and parcel of being passionate sports fans, and as much as this summer seems like a long wait in a packed Secretary of State office without any air conditioning, and as thick as my skin’s gotten to personal attacks over the six years I’ve been doing this professionally and the twelve years I’ve been writing about hockey in one way or another on message boards or blogs, you’re certainly allowed to yell at me all the damn hell you want to, because it’s my job to take it.

If you’re going to continue to take it out on each other, however, especially as virulently and viciously as some of you have of late, you need to go and find something else to do with your time, because this level of dripping venom from bared fangs s*** is just borderline nuts.

Or, as some of my friends like to say, there’s the “good crazy” and the “bad crazy,” and the “bad crazy” is both spreading and not particularly healthy for anyone.

I knew more than a few people who got off the bandwagon for good when Sergei left. Even more who decided that the Wings without Stevie and Shanny weren’t the Wings. And if Nick’s the turning point for something that has perhaps become a fading passion or pastime for you over the past couple of seasons, there is no attendance taken on the bandwagon and there is no rule compelling you to stay.

I’m here for the duration of the ride, as uncomfortable, bumpy and certain as it’s become this summer. You don’t have to be if you don’t want to be. I certainly won’t think any less of you if it’s your choice to leave. But if you’re going to stay, you’re going to have to find a way to use the comments section as what it’s supposed to be—a coping mechanism for a community following the ups and downs of a team they follow with a passion and care for and care about very deeply.

We’re all intelligent adults here, and this padded room stuff is unnecessary. If it’s come to that for you, decide what you want to do as is best for your own sporting and personal well-being.

Those of us who will be around till the end understand if you need to take a break, or if you want to make a clean break entirely. And in the interim, we’re gonna keep trying to find a way to cope with this maddening uncertainty while gently peeling each other off of the walls and ceiling.

I’m sorry to go off on a rant like this, but the tone and content of some of what I’ve seen has genuinely disturbed me, and I while I can deal with being disturbed, I don’t want to see any of you having to deal with that kind of discomfort. It’s an awful feeling and I don’t wish it upon anyone.

Addendum: I don’t mean to sound like a schoolteacher or something, but I feel a responsibility to step into discussions I generally try to avoid (again, once something’s posted, it’s yours to do with as you wish; I’m just a discussion-starter hoping that my peers as Wings fans and people I respect as intelligent and well-informed individuals want to engage in a discussion about what’s going on with their favorite team) if I feel that the community I hope this blog creates is in danger, and this community seems stressed and strained to the breaking point this morning. I neither want to see you in the kind of pain many of you appear to be in, nor do I want to see you act said discomfort out upon each other.

Me, yell at me all you want, that’s my job. Don’t take it out on each other, please. I’m going to shut up now and try to keep it as “news-y” as possible for the next little while, but if things start getting to be like a psych ward, I will not hesitate to do this again. That’s not the kind of atmosphere I want in my blog’s comments section, and it may be my job to tolerate that kind of tone and rancor, but it should not also be the community’s burden.

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Chet's avatar

i haven’t been reading the comments much on any of the recent TMR offerings, but i can’t imagine they were really so bad as to provoke half a post’s worth of condescending, repetive discussion of psych wards and “bandwagon”-ing. and if they were that bad, i think they’ve gotten to you a bit too much as well, GM.

this is a wait and see time for the wings and the whole league. seeing what’s going on out there leaves me less and less surprised that lidstrom got out when he did.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 07/24/12 at 06:55 AM ET

joedaiceman's avatar

George - You are right. The Wings are facing a perfect storm and we have to ride it out.

Posted by joedaiceman on 07/24/12 at 08:31 AM ET

TeamDub's avatar

More hockey, less pontificating.

“Jeebus Monkey.”

Posted by TeamDub from The gratch. on 07/24/12 at 08:46 AM ET


Visnovsky would be a good pick up. Bona fide #1 PP guy and a cap hit of 5.6 mil with 1 yr left. Can let him go after the season if you need the $$$ to sign UFAs/RFAs. Probably wouldnt have to give up much since ANA is trying to unload him.

Agree with above, more hockey!

Posted by callmedrw on 07/24/12 at 09:01 AM ET

Vladimir16's avatar

Y’all need to calm the f*** down.

Amen, George.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/24/12 at 09:56 AM ET

stonehands-78's avatar


I’m fine.



no. 12 in ‘13

Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 07/24/12 at 09:58 AM ET

Guilherme's avatar

“Wings are old and busted, I quit, I want to watch a winning team, when does Lions season start?”

You really didn’t get it. We want to watch a winning team, the Red Wings, winning for so long, and now “standing pat” whatever chance they get.

Calm the f*** down or get off the God-damned bandwagon for good, hawk your Wings stuff on eBay and find something else to occupy your discretionary time and income

Sure, now a Wings blogger says we’re bandwagon fans. Thanks, George.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/24/12 at 10:03 AM ET


George has a mental disorder?! He’s never ever mentioned that on any other post. I usually just find straight news not personal opinions, unnecessary anecdotes or weird descriptions about some prospect’s anatomy.

Posted by Rsambo00 on 07/24/12 at 10:21 AM ET

monkey's avatar

even given Chris Pronger’s likely cap relief

I don’t think they’re eligible for cap relief if he retires.  Isn’t that a +35 deal?

Posted by monkey from Prague on 07/24/12 at 10:44 AM ET

Keyser S.'s avatar

I’m glad we didn’t get nash. We’re going to need those young players in the future and nash is on the wrong side of 28. It’s a team game with two way players now folks.

Posted by Keyser S. on 07/24/12 at 10:48 AM ET

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I don’t think they’re eligible for cap relief if he retires.  Isn’t that a +35 deal?

Posted by monkey from bunting for Nash on 07/24/12 at 08:44 AM ET

He’s not going to retire. He’s going to stay on LTIR for the rest of that contract.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/24/12 at 10:48 AM ET

Keyser S.'s avatar

I don’t think they’re eligible for cap relief if he retires.  Isn’t that a +35 deal?

Posted by monkey from bunting for Nash on 07/24/12 at 08:44 AM ET

I think technically it is because the contract didn’t kick in until he was 35+. But of course the league said “schucks that’s ok do whatever you want, we make this stuff up as we go along”.

Posted by Keyser S. on 07/24/12 at 10:50 AM ET


Y’all need to calm the f*** down.
Calm the f*** down or get off the God-damned bandwagon for good, hawk your Wings stuff on eBay and find something else to occupy your discretionary time and income.

All due respect George, but you’re the one who needs to slow his roll.

Just because not everyon is happy to simply parrot Mr Holland doesn’t mean any of us are any less of a fan than you are.

It’s disheartening to know that you’re the kind of person who thinks there’s only one right way to be a fan, and that it is wrong to be annoyed or frustrated by a GM who has done little so far to even fill the holes left by those who have departed, much less to actually better the team.

I’ll be there on opening day to cheer them on, but that doesn’t mean I have to be happy with what’s gone on this off-season so far.

Posted by Garth on 07/24/12 at 11:04 AM ET

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Posted by Garth on 07/24/12 at 09:04 AM ET

George can correct me if I’m wrong but I think he’s talking about the “sky is falling” people and “we need to fire Holland because he’s sucks hairy ballsax and didn’t get Suter or Carle or Weber or Semin (yet) or Doan (yet) or Nash” people. Me thinks this isn’t directed to the sane people who can disagree calmly about what hasn’t happened this summer….. I could be wrong though. It happens wink

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/24/12 at 11:13 AM ET

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1) Scott Howson is not the greatest GM in the NHL. In fact I’d place him in the bottom 5, but I agree with his not wanting to trade interdivisonally unless the return was very significantly better than what he could get elsewhere
2) That said, I still think the rangers fleeced him. Unles this kid Erixson becomes an elite defensemen, the jackets traded a proven 30-40 goal scorer for a couple of 3rd liners, a late 1st round pick and a prospect.  If thats all it took, why did he wait so long to pull this off??

Posted by Faux Rumors from Globally- Here, there, Everywhere on 07/24/12 at 11:19 AM ET


I made a sarcastic joke before July 1 that Jagr, Hasek and Knuble would be your FA signings this summer.

I confess I never thought that Kenny would do any worse and that the reality would be even bleaker. But incredibly he did just that.

So, here it is, Brunner, Wilhelm Tel (watch out, Danny), Quincey and Two-two (who was scratched by Nashville in a playoff series against Detroit) will be your FA signings this summer. Enjoy!

It is almost impossible to wrap one’s mind around the fact that the RW team as it stands right now (impotent offense and no defense whatsoever) is actually weaker than the RW team that was free-falling since late February and won exactly one game in the playoffs.

OK, time for some good news now. Next year’s draft class has already been pegged as one of the best in recent memory with highly skilled players at every position.

Posted by Alex on 07/24/12 at 11:23 AM ET


Please add Gustavsson to the mix of the FA signings who I believe is a solid back-up.

Posted by Alex on 07/24/12 at 11:31 AM ET


Having returned from a three-week hiatus and catching up on what the Wings have(n’t) done is sickening.

Good lord. What a joke.

“Ken Holland…one Stanley Cup in a post-cap NHL” Why doesn’t anyone ever write that about Ken and all that he’s done?

And now, George is going all Mitch Albom on us “fans”. Please.

Wings have no defense. No goalie. No offense. And will probably have no playoffs this year. And spare us “the perfect storm” b.s. line. Kenny’s known for TWO years Stuart wasn’t coming back. Has seen Franzen’s decreased value and decided not to move him. Knew Lid’s was going to be done soon and didn’t even give Smith a sniff of a full season to learn from him.

Sorry, Charlie, but this is ALL on Ken. Not some perfect-storm-of-an-excuse.

Posted by ElCapitan on 07/24/12 at 11:37 AM ET


For those of us old enough to remember the “Darkness with Harkness” era. it won’t be as bad as some wags think. Look at the Kings and their amazing run for the Cup; a young team that progressed tremendously during the regular season to achieve what most NHL fans believed to be impossible. As long as Jimmy ‘D’ stays on the sideline, there is hope in a future filled with the ambitions of eager young Wings.

Posted by SAM from N Ft Myers, FL on 07/24/12 at 11:37 AM ET

Hootinani's avatar

you’re certainly allowed to yell at me all the damn hell you want to, because it’s my job to take it.

I see what you did there.  Now everyone is mad at you instead of ripping into each other.  You’re like the Dark Knight of hockey blogging.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 07/24/12 at 12:00 PM ET


Maybe a bit over the top, but agreed in principle, George. Keep the faith. LGRW.

Posted by RyanVM from Philly on 07/24/12 at 12:06 PM ET

gowings's avatar

“And when I venture into the comments section, some of the more fatalistic members of this community are making me sound well-adjusted.”

Love it. Although I agree more with ElCapitan’s line of thinking..speaking for myself…I am a crazy fan and tend to have a “fatalistic” view on things. It’s always good to have people like you George, to gently guide us the right way…I certainly am not an optimist, and I do think we will miss the playoffs (and one must look also how other teams have improved VS us). That being said, one also needs to look at the good side of it….like you try to do. I appreciate it very much. It does prevent me from doing something stupid like trowing solid objects around LOL!

Thanks George

Posted by gowings from MTL on 07/24/12 at 12:07 PM ET


He’s the hero we need right now, not the hero we deserve.

Posted by soupsnake on 07/24/12 at 12:13 PM ET

Kate from AZ-made in Detroit's avatar

I’ve been on the sidelines for much of this summer and all I can say is, “It’s a FUCHING’
sport.“A game, that we all watch for the entertainment value. Not that lots of these comments aren’t amusing. The world will not end if I never saw another game. That being said, I am a Wingaholic. I will always be a Detroit Red Wings fan, and, I will continue to be a fanatic, and, watch my beloved Team, until I am a Dead Wing’s fan. Pun intended.

Lighten up. Bitches.

Let’s Go Red Wings!!!!! In’13

Posted by Kate from AZ-made in Detroit on 07/24/12 at 12:13 PM ET

Kate from AZ-made in Detroit's avatar

I have been a Wings fan for over 40 years. I know full well that things could much be worse.  Deal with it.

Let’s Go Red Wings!!!!! In’13

Posted by Kate from AZ-made in Detroit on 07/24/12 at 12:20 PM ET

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Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/24/12 at 10:13 AM ET

All of this ^^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/24/12 at 12:20 PM ET


I have been a Wings fan for over 40 years. I know full well that things could much be worse.  Deal with it.

Good for you.

Posted by Herm from the office on 07/24/12 at 12:25 PM ET


The best thing about this offseason was Nashville and Columbus losing their top players, which only makes the division easier.  I can’t see a scenario where we don’t make the playoffs, unless we fail to beat up on those teams.  As the last few years has shown us, all you have to do is get into the playoffs.

Posted by Marc on 07/24/12 at 12:30 PM ET

Kate from AZ-made in Detroit's avatar

Good for you.

Posted by Herm from the office on 07/24/12 at 10:25 AM ET


Great for me.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ‘13

Posted by Kate from AZ-made in Detroit on 07/24/12 at 12:31 PM ET


I am a Wingaholic. I will always be a Detroit Red Wings fan, and, I will continue to be a fanatic, and, watch my beloved Team, until I am a Dead Wing’s fan. Pun intended.

Lighten up. Bitches.

Let’s Go Red Wings!!!!! In’13

Yeah, what Kate said.

Wings will overcome. In the past couple of injury plagued seasons I have gently but firmly told naysayers that our beloved Wings would survive and be in the running come April. And they have, and they will!

Posted by wingsluver4ever from Hockeytown North on 07/24/12 at 12:34 PM ET


Maybe this is the year that the Red Wings are no longer among the top echelon of teams.  Maybe this is the year that the Wings organization is considered out of touch.  But I believe otherwise.  I remember a couple years ago, after the lockout, when people said the Wings were done.  No more Shanny and Stevie.  Federov had already taken off.  The Wings two big free agent acquisitions from the summer before the lockout were bought out along with a fan favorite.  People said that the Wings no longer could sell the team on the basis of it’s history and organization as guys like Bobby Holik, Nikolai Khabibulin and John LeClair spurned the Wings for big money on garbage teams.  After the Manny Legace fiasco, the team’s goaltending was held together by duct tape with two washed up, injury prone, ex-Wings.  People laughed at the acquisition of Andreas Lilja and Mikeal Samuelsson, two low level players who couldn’t cut it with bad teams.  And of course, the now-sainted Dallas Drake, a washed-up grinder and another ex-Wing.  But despite all that, the Wings managed to jump back, making it to the conference finals in 2007, winning the Cup the next year and coming very close to repeating the year after that.  The Wings bounced back then and I believe they can bounce back now.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 07/24/12 at 12:39 PM ET


I will always be a Detroit Red Wings fan, and, I will continue to be a fanatic, and, watch my beloved Team, until I am a Dead Wing’s fan. Pun intended.

Holland’s critics are also fans, just as much as you are. Has anyone said “I’ll stop rooting for them if they miss the playoffs/don’t sign anyone”?

No. You people need to stop this “I’m a biggerfanthan you” thing. Lucky me that I was born four years after Yzerman was drafted, six months before Lidstrom and Fedorov were.

Again, no one said we’re gonna stop following the team, except the hipster-“I was a fan before it was cool”-fans who want us to “leave the bandwagon”.

Posted by Herm from the office on 07/24/12 at 12:39 PM ET

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No. You people need to stop this “I’m a biggerfanthan you”

Never said that. The jist of my comment was that I have seen the good, the bad, and, the ugly.

Nowhere did I infer that I’m a “biggerfan” than anyone.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In’13

Posted by Kate from AZ-made in Detroit on 07/24/12 at 12:49 PM ET

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The hilarious part about all the people around here telling everybody to stop telling everybody else how to be a fan is that they’re also telling people how to be fans.

Hey, we’ve all planted our flags in the ground.  Hooray for us!

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/24/12 at 12:51 PM ET

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I’ll be honest: I had to unscrew my head from my shoulders and pull the hockey fan components out of my brain for a while.  The heartburn after the Parise/Suter debacle was getting to be too much, and I can’t live everyday as a nervous wreck. 

-Nor am I going to.-

Maybe I’ve just got a weak constitution, but I am going to agree that the timbre around here has gotten pretty shrill.  I’ll go further to say that its kept me from being the active commenter I usually am.  That’s not on anyone but me, but I just won’t have the chicken little syndrome invading my brain anymore than it already has.

I understand that we are all adults and that we can freely express our opinions, so don’t let me stop you.  But I do think there are some who come to this site looking for a fight and aren’t happy until they’ve eviscerated somebody for disagreeing with them.  I hate seeing this Hatfield and McCoy stuff when we ought to be circling the wagons.

There are still 29 other fanbases who hate our guts, and thats for a good reason.  The teams that brought us Stanley Cups are gone and the Wings will go through some tough times, but this is still a competitive squad.  I’m not going to buy that “Detroit won’t be making the playoffs” nonsense.  We all just need to stay cool, the kids are alright.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/24/12 at 01:12 PM ET

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I’m not disheartened with this off-season, and there is still time.  I live in Chicago, and I see the disgust the Hawks fans (I use that term hesitantly) have with their GM.  It sounds unfortunately similar to what people are saying about Holland.  Comparing Holland’s summer to Bowman’s, and many other GMs for that matter, I’m content with the moves and offers KH has made.

Posted by TreKronor on 07/24/12 at 01:15 PM ET

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Redheads are hot.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 07/24/12 at 01:19 PM ET

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Posted by TreKronor on 07/24/12 at 11:15 AM ET

Excellent point.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/24/12 at 01:19 PM ET

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So is Valterri Filppula.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 07/24/12 at 01:19 PM ET

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Redheads are hot.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 07/24/12 at 11:19 AM ET

Also an excellent point.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/24/12 at 01:20 PM ET

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