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Red Wings overnight report: putting a Bouw on trade talk, foreign language news and CBA gabba

Red Wings GM Ken Holland may or may not be talking through both sides of his mouth today, and that’s a good thing. While the Red Wings and the rest of the NHL’s teams have more or less chosen to close up shop in terms of shopping for free agents or making trades (as Paul posted, even the free agents looking for work understand that CBA issues are the biggest reason that even bargain bin players agents’ cell phones aren’t ringing), and Holland told the Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan that the summer has more or less reached its slowest point…

“Sort of a down time,” general manager Ken Holland said of this particular period around late July and early August, as even general managers unplug for a few days and the league takes a breather.

The Wings still have a need for a defenseman and the search could continue right up to the start of training camp.

There are some remnants available in the unrestricted free-agent bin, although the pickings are slim. Defensemen Michal Rozsival (Phoenix) and Carlo Colaiacovo (St. Louis) are both injury-prone but would add some experience to a Wings defense that needs a veteran presence after losing Nicklas Lidstrom and Brad Stuart. Tampa Bay’s Brett Clark might be a good third-pair defenseman.

But what’s also throwing a monkey wrench into plans for the Red Wings and every other team is the discussions over a new collective bargaining agreement (CBA). Still in their early stages, the talks haven’t exactly produced much optimism. That could put the start of training camp, then the regular season, in jeopardy.

And if salaries are slashed, and teams suddenly find themselves over the cap, some players could be looking for new teams — which is where the Wings could end up snatching a veteran defenseman. Until then, expect this slow time around the NHL to continue a little longer.

MLive’s Brendan Savage suggests that the Wings are still kicking the tires on Jay Bouwmeester’s asking price, just in case the Calgary Flames plan on moving the big defenseman and his even bigger salary:

A team source confirmed the Red Wings are talking with the Calgary Flames about making a deal for veteran defenseman Jay Bouwmeester, who has been the subject of trade rumors for more than a month.

The Red Wings are attempting to solidify their defensive corps with a trade because no top defensemen remain available through free agency.

Bouwmeester became expendable in Calgary when the Flames signed Dennis Wideman to a five-year, $26.25 million deal and the Red Wings need help on defense after captain Nicklas Lidstrom retired and Brad Stuart was traded to San Jose before he could sign with the Sharks as a free agent.

Wideman’s contract hiked Calgary’s payroll to $66.6 million, which is under the $70.2 million salary cap. But if the cap is reduced as expected when a new collective bargaining agreement is reached, that could force the Flames to dump salary and the possibility might reduce their asking price for Bouwmeester.

The drawback to acquiring Bouwmeester is his $6.68 million salary cap hit for each of the next two seasons. Only Pavel Datsyuk ($6.7 million) has a higher cap hit among the Red Wings. The Red Wings have the money to pay Bouwmeester – they’re $13 million under the salary cap – but while they’re not thrilled at his price tag, they’re also desperate to upgrade their defense.
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The 6-foot-4, 215-pound Bouwmeester, who turns 29 next month, was Florida’s first-round pick (third overall) in the 2002 NHL entry draft and spent the first six seasons of his nine-year career with the Panthers before being traded to Calgary in June 2009.

He was regarded as an up-and-coming star after averaging 14 goals and 40 points in his final three seasons with Florida. But has never approached those numbers in Calgary, where he has averaged four goals and 27 points in three seasons.

As Savage points out, now that the Philadelphia Flyers find themselves without Shea Weber and down a defenseman after Andrej Meszaros tore his Achilles tendon while engaging in off-season training, so they may be interested in Bouwmeester, too.

You probably know the list of available names by rote by now—I do, anyway, in saying that Michal Rozsival, Carlo Colaiacovo, Pavel Kubina, Jaroslav Spacek, Cam Barker, Matt Gilroy, Chris Campoli and Scott Hannan are all available; Wings beat writers have pointed out that stay-at-home defenseman Brett Clark is also available, and the Calgary media has suggested that the Flames might be able to move Anton Babchuk and his $2.5 million salary a little more easily given that the 6’5,” 200-pound 28-year-old wouldn’t require the kind of return the Flames would demand to simply save face given the amount of money and term they gave to Bouwmeester…

But as trade rumors tend to run wild, and as I’d strongly suggest that the Wings are more likely to be engaging in tire-kicking than serious discussions about any of their potential trade candidates, whether they be blueliners or forwards, at this point, a little cold water won’t hurt the simmering coals of impatience from fans like you and me. Lyle “Spector” Richardson offered some realism regarding the Flyers’ potential trade targets, and these words seem to apply to the Wings as well:

In terms of trade options, Jay Bouwmeester of the Calgary Flames was at one point this summer expected to become trade bait, but Flames GM Jay Feaster appears reluctant to shake up his roster.

Rumor bloggers persist in claiming Keith Yandle of the Phoenix Coyotes could be had, but Coyotes GM Don Maloney stated weeks ago he was keeping Yandle.

Earlier this summer, there was some talk in the Ottawa media suggesting the Senators should shop Sergei Gonchar - who has one season left on his contract at a cap hit of $5.5 million - for another scoring forward. Senators GM Bryan Murray appears content to retain Gonchar, especially with captain Daniel Alfredsson returning for another season.

San Jose Sharks veteran blueliner Dan Boyle has seen his name bandied about by some Philadelphia bloggers and pundits. Sharks GM Doug Wilson doesn’t appear in any hurry to move Boyle, whose skills, experience and leadership would be difficult to replace. Wilson would also prefer to give Brent Burns, Boyle’s heir apparent, another season before determining if he’s ready to take over as the Sharks’ top blueliner.

The Buffalo Sabres are also a potential trade partner, as they’re carrying nine defensemen, eight of whom are on one-way contracts.

Since they traded Derek Roy to Dallas, the Sabres could use more depth at center. Some fans seem to think Sabres management would love to bring back Danny Briere (assuming he’d accept a trade), but odds are they’d be more interested in Couturier or Schenn.

One affordable option could be Canadiens blueliner Yannick Weber, who was the subject of trade speculation in his native Switzerland. Weber denied the report, claiming his intent is to stick with the Habs, though he acknowledged the possibility of being moved at some point this season.

And again, the Red Wings have two things going against them going into trade talks with anyone:

1. The team has little to no leverage in terms of attempting to make a move without creating another hole on their roster to help fill the crater left by Nicklas Lidstrom and Brad Stuart’s departures, and the team clearly has no desire to move players like Valtteri Filppula, Johan Franzen (sorry, folks) or top prospects like Brendan Smith or Gustav Nyquist to simply grease trade wheels when teams could indeed find themselves in cap and/or 23-man roster limit trouble when the new CBA takes effect, so waiting while continuing to gauge free agents and trade targets’ asking prices would offer the most prudent option for the Wings at this point;

2. And given that Filppula, Danny Cleary, Drew Miller, Ian White and Jimmy Howard will all be unrestricted free agents next summer (and will be harder to re-sign given a more restrictive CBA), and that Jakub Kindl, Jan Mursak, Brendan Smith, Gustav Nyquist, Brian Lashoff, Thomas McCollum and Joakim Andersson, among other prospects, will be restricted free agents next summer, there’s no point in adding a cap millstone to the mix unless the Wings can ensure that, say, bringing a Bouwmeester onto the books won’t cost them a Filppula, Howard or Nyquist.

Long story long, I’m sure the Wings are indeed talking to the Flames about Bouwmeester, I’m sure they’ve talked to Calgary about Babchuk as well, I’m sure that they’re talking to the Coyotes about Yandle, I’m sure that Holland’s touched base with Bryan Murray regarding Gonchar, I’m sure they’re monitoring Lubomir Visnovsky’s grievance with the NHLPA regarding his no-trade clause’s violation when he was traded from the Ducks to Islanders without his consent, and I’m sure that the team’s talking to Colaiacovo, Kubina, Campoli, Barker, Gilroy, Rozsival, Hannan, Spacek and Clark’s agents, and I’m sure that the team has several other irons in the fire—including targeting some UFA and/or trade targets in attempts to add a goal-scoring forward to the mix…

But given the uncertainty surrounding the CBA, we should all assume that these discussions are taking place as part of a very slow but steady and persistent attempt to improve the Wings’ roster while every GM sits on his hands waiting to see what the hell’s going to happen between the NHL and NHLPA over the course of the next five-and-a-half weeks.

 

 

In news from the other side of the pond, Peter Forsberg’s Icebreakers charity hockey team played against Njurunda SK on Wednesday evening, and that happens to be Henrik Zetterberg’s hometown team, so he spoke to Dagbladet’s Oskar Lund about his experience playing against the franchise which first groomed him for Swedish Eliteserien stardom with Timra IK and then his NHL career with Detroit (and all of this is roughly translated):

“I’ve really been looking forward to this, and I haven’t played any senior games here since I left for Timra so early, so it was a lot of fun. Everything worked out great, and the reception was tremendous,” said Zetterberg.

Fredrik Modin [who’s also from Njurunda and played for Timra IK] also made a comeback.

“It was fun, and right now my body feels better than I thought it would. But it’ll probably be worse tonight and tomorrow,” said Modin.

Were you looking to make a real comeback?

“It’s no doubt that it’s fun, but I know I have too much pain to make that work” [said Modin].

Henrik Zetterberg played with retirees in Peter Forsberg and the aforementioned Modin in what would prove to be the evening’s hottest line.

“I was a little pissed off when I saw the lineup because I was going to do so much skating, but it went well,” Zetterberg said with a smile.

Before the third period the score was 8-2, but Zetterberg and Modin switched to Njurunda’s team and played the final period for the parent club whose ranks were reinforced by Erik Gustafsson and Sebastian Lauritzen, among others.

“We knew that we’d play with them for the last period, and it was fun to go back into the locker room. Unfortunately we didn’t have much energy left in the end,” said Zetterberg, who himself had no time to rest.

He landed in Sweden on Wednesday night after meeting with the NHL’s players union in Barcelona. They’re currently negotiating a new agreement with the NHL, and if they don’t reach a new one, a lockout may await.

“I don’t really know what to believe, but I hope of course that there will be games played. All our players want to play, ” says Zetterberg on the negotiations.

Zetterberg also addressed said negotiations a little more directly while speaking to Sundsvalls Tidning’s Eric Westlund:

“We stand together and know what we want. We want a fair contract,” says Zetterberg, and continues:

“When there was a lockout in 2004, we took an incredible cut. We had to give 24% of our wages right back, for example.”

Now the players don’t want to give in again.

“It’s their turn to take responsibility. We took it last,” Zata says.

The NHL’s training camps usuallys tart in mid-September, but it won’t be so this year unless the parties have agreed.

“We can’t start unless we have a new contract.”

Do you think there will be a lockout?

“I don’t know what to believe. All our players want to play over there, but there’s not much time to play with,” says Zetterberg.

Unlike many other stars, Zetterberg would not be able to play in Sweden immediately if a lockout becomes a reality.

“Because I’m [part of the negotiating team], that’s going to be my season in this case. It’d be in December at the earliest.”

• In cheerier news, Expressen’s Stefan Nilsson spoke to Red Wings director of European scouting Hakan Andersson about his naming to the Frolunda Indians’ board of directors. The news is a bit of a shocker, but in theory, anyway, it represents no conflict of interest for him or Frolunda:

Frolunda’s strengthened with a strong NHL name

Gothenburg: Frolunda expanded its Board of Directors.

And it recruited Detroit’s chief European scout, Hakan Andersson, 47.

His 22 years of experience with one of the NHL’s strongest clubs will help build Frolunda’s future.

“I have some viewpoints and ideas which I hope will help Frolunda,” says Andersson.

Scouts whose tasks are to find the best players for their teams don’t usually sit on other teams’ boards of directors.

But for their annual meeting on August 29th, the Frolunda Election Committee will propose that Hakan Andersson be elected to a new board, which will be expanded from four to six members, plus the chairman.

Hakan Andersson is famous in the hockey world, but unknown beyond.

His scouting work has been a contributing factor in Detroit’s four Stanley Cups over the last 20 years, and of course, he recruited all the team’s successful Swedes.

“Except Nicklas Lidstrom,” said Hakan Andersson with a laugh. “He was already drafted when I started.”

Huge network

Andersson has a huge network of contacts throughout the hockey world. And he has strict control over the talented players [he guides] on this side of the atlantic.

So why then is Andersson, who lives in Stockholm and is governed by Detroit, going to Frolunda?

“We’ve engaged in discussions for several months. And we think similarly in many ways in terms of what one should do to develop a team,” he says. “The NHL isn’t right all the time, but Detroit does everything professionally. And Swedish clubs need to work at that level, there is no voluntary work anymore.”

Frolunda’s chairman, Mats Grauers, who has both met with and had other contact with Hakan Andersson, is very pleased that Andersson’s about to embark upon his tenure on the board.

“It’s something new,” says Grauers. “We get great hockey skills and extensive knowledge of various players.”

But is there a risk of bias because he’s a scout who’s looking for players [for his employer]? Sometimes even Frolunda’s.

“I’m not worried about that,” answers Grauers.” If he would think that any of our players were good enough to be considered for Detroit, it wouldn’t matter whether he sits on our governing board or not.”

Hakan Andersson has wondered if it could be a problem.

“Have many ideas”

“We’ll see what happens if it would be necessary for Detroit to draft a player from Frolunda. But I don’t think there’s any conflict,” he said.

Andersson has received approval from the Detroit Red Wings to sit on Frolunda’s board of directors.

“I have many ideas. It will be great fun if I get to test some of them with Frolunda,” he says.

• And this ties in to something the Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan noted about the Wings’ prospect tournament:

The Wings’ annual eight-team prospects tournament in Traverse City, the weekend before training camp begins, could be in jeopardy.

If there’s no CBA, or if progress remains slow, the tournament could be canceled, as the CBA expires Sept. 15 and the tournament can’t be held without a CBA.

Holland said a decision on the tournament will be made later this month.

As it turns out, I believe the Wings posted official news that they’ve assigned Calle Jarnkrok to Brynas IF and Teemu Pulkkinen to Jokerit Helsinki for the sakes of those European teams.

Jokerit’s training camp is taking place right now, and Brynas plays their first exhibition game tonight, so the Wings had to make their moves official to ensure that all was kosher with the IIHF…

And while my Finnish is terrible, Iltahleti‘s Patrik Rummukainen spoke to Pulkkinen about his summertime training and the learning experiences he gained from attending the Wings’ summer camp. Here is an incredibly rough translation of Pulkkinen’s comments:

“I’ve been working out very hard this summer. I want to improve my game from last season and want to help my team in my own way,” Teemu Pulkkinen said.
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“I went to play with 41 other young players who were prospects in Detroit, at their camp. I practiced and played a lot, but managed to get to know other players along the way,” says Pulkkinen.

Although the Red Wings’ brass have compared Pulkkinen with the cold-blooded sniper Brett Hull, the Finnish talent is keeping his feet firmly on the ground.

“I received a quite a bit of positive feedback from the camp, and it went pretty well, but much remains to be done yet.”

 

 


Regarding the CBA, I know that the media’s starting to get itchy regarding the NHL and NHLPA’s slow but steady discussion of systemic issues before tackling the elephant in the room—The Hockey News’s Adam Proteau’s top ten list of CBA issues to be discussed displays a wee bit of impatience, and the Sporting News’s Jesse Spector and ESPN’s Katie Strang seemed to be displaying a little bit of siege fatigue based on their Twitter comments on Wednesday.

For those of you who think that per-diems and agreeing to file trades, call-ups and demotions with the NHL’s Central Registry via email instead of faxes to be boring fare as opposed to the kind of nit-picky stuff that forms the guts of the CBA—and the kinds of issues that have to be agreed upon so that the NHL and PA can’t simply say, “Hey, what about grandfathering visors in?” while staring each other down regarding the players’ share of revenues and the league’s revenue-sharing plans—well, there was good news on Wednesday, because the NHL and PA finally got down to a very sticky wicket in discussing supplemental discipline.

As the Sporting News’s Spector notes, the players really despise the concept that they can only appeal fines or suspensions issued by one Brendan Shanahan to Gary Bettman himself, and that discussion provoked some…“heated discussion”...Given that the NHL wants to keep things the way they are:

“I think it’s more changes they’d like to see made,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said. “I think it’s fair to say that, I think the objectives they have in their changes are objectives that we share. We just believe that the supplementary discipline process— it’s a tough process, but it works fairly well. I’m not sure some of the changes they propose would necessarily improve it. I’m not prejudging that. It’s something we have to talk through with them, and we come at it with an open mind.”

Despite his initial disagreement with the NHLPA’s ideas, Daly balked at the characterization of discipline as a “divisive” issue in negotiations. The union is not necessarily looking at modifying the appeals process—if a system can be put in place to make Shanahan’s job easier with guidelines, rather than handling disciplinary issues on a case-by-case basis, it could represent a big step toward reforming a process that had come under heavy public scrutiny long before Shanahan took over as the league’s sheriff last summer.

“It’s an ongoing discussion—it’s evolving,” said Mathieu Schneider, special assistant to NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr. “We have a lot of common goals, and it’s about coming to a system that the players feel very confident in, is the goal at the end of the day. We want players to feel confident, and we want general managers and coaches to feel confident, and we want the fans to feel confident in it as well.”

Fans would most like to feel confident in the idea that the 2012-13 NHL season will start on time, and a better gauge of that confidence should come after Fehr returns to the bargaining table on Thursday following a trip to Europe to update players there on the talks.

The expectation is that Fehr’s return will bring core economic issues back to the front burner, although those issues will not come to full boil until the NHLPA presents its counterproposal. That may not happen this week, as Schneider said that the union still is in the process of receiving independently audited financial information from the league.

Here’s a video Spector posted of Schneider addressing the press:

NHL.com’s Dan Rosen took note of some of the first public growling not coming from Gary Bettman’s mouth as well…

The primary agenda item Wednesday was the League’s supplementary discipline process. Several key members of the NHL Player Safety Department, including Senior Vice President of Player Safety and Hockey Operations Brendan Shanahan and Managers Rob Blake and Stephane Quintal, were involved in the negotiating session that dealt with supplementary discipline. There was also an additional sub-committee session that included discussion on legal matters.
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Both Daly and NHLPA Special Assistant to the Executive Director Mathieu Schneider said the discussions on supplementary discipline were lively. Schneider said the supplementary discipline process is an important issue for the players and those who were present in the meeting Wednesday expressed strong opinions. The players in the meeting were George Parros (Florida Panthers), Rick DiPietro (New York Islanders), Steve Montador (Chicago Blackhawks), JT Wyman (Tampa Bay Lightning) and Ron Hainsey (Winnipeg Jets).

Daly said the players’ interest in the supplementary discipline process does not come as a surprise to the NHL’s negotiating committee.

“I would suggest that based on what we’ve heard to this point in the negotiations, and now we’ve been at this a month-and-a-half, it seems to be an important issue for the players, so it’s an important area of discussion,” Daly said. “I think it’s an important issue for the League; just in terms of player safety on the ice and how we handle those matters is very, very important. So, we share the view that it is an important issue, it needs to be addressed by both sides.”

But while tackling these issues allows the parties to ratchet up both the rhetoric and the “temperature” in the room without coming to blows…

Schneider added, “If you can work through on important issues, especially like supplementary discipline, it paves the way to further discussion.”

The ten-ton elephant in the room remains the parties’ main focus, even if it’s been delayed by Donald Fehr’s jaunt to Europe to update Zetterberg, Niklas Kronwall, Gustav Nyquist and 35 other players who attended the Barcelona players’ meetings:

Daly reiterated Wednesday that the League is still waiting for the Union to make its proposals on the core economic issues. The League made its proposals last month.

Schneider indicated that the PA is in the process of “developing alternate proposals.”

“We’re missing a key part of the negotiation, which is where they sit on the important economic issues,” Daly said. “So, until we hear from them on the important economic issues it’s tough for me to forecast what the future might hold.”

The NHL posted a video from the proceedings as well…

And as ESPN New York’s Katie Strang notes, the growling and grousing was somewhat welcome, all things considered:

“At times there have been heated exchanges,” Schneider said. “There’s definitely strong opinions on both sides, especially when it comes to supplementary discipline, but I wouldn’t describe it as adversarial. Not at all.”

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly similarly downplayed the tension and described the discussions as “lively.”

“I wouldn’t characterize it as tense, I really wouldn’t,” Daly said. “People had strongly-held views, and we heard some players in particular, how important this issue is to them. That didn’t surprise anybody at our end of the table. Actually, I thought it was a good, lively discussion. I didn’t feel tense at any point.”

Both league disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan and fellow members of the NHL’s Department of Player Safety Stephane Quintal and Rob Blake were involved in Wednesday’s subcommittee meeting on supplementary discipline. Schneider declined to disclose the specific gripes the players have with the current system, but he made it clear that they’d like to see some changes.

“I don’t think we’d be discussing it if we were satisfied with it,” Schneider said.

Although the two sides recently have found common ground in other areas—legal and health and safety issues, for example—supplementary discipline may be among the most polarizing of the “non-core” economic issues that must be brokered should they come to a new deal.

“I wouldn’t characterize it as divisive,” Daly said. “I would suggest that, based on what we’ve heard at this point of negotiations now that we’ve been at this a month and a half, it seems to be an important issue for the players.”

And regarding the elephant in the room that may return with Donald Fehr today, Pro Hockey Talk’s Mike Halford may have posted the most revelatory article of the day at noon, because Philadelphia Flyers forward Scott Hartnell more or less spilled the beans on Gary Bettman’s negotiating strategy while speaking to Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia’s Tim Panaccio:

To use Gary [Bettman’s] own words, it’s a systemic issue,” Hartnell said this week. “He doesn’t want to look at the rich teams or the teams that are losing money. He wants to look at them all together which is a total 180 from what it was seven years ago. It’s a little frustrating that way, but that’s their position and you take it as it is. You have to believe they are 100 percent certain of getting everything [from us]. It’s up to us to see if it’s feasible or not. But you look at the rollback and percentage they want and it’s more concessions than we gave up last time around.”

Seven years ago, when negotiations began under then NHLPA boss Bob Goodenow, the league wanted a salary cap, cost certainty, parity and to save the small market clubs from economic oblivion. Small market Carolina won a Stanley Cup coming out of the last lockout – much like Tampa Bay did the year before the lockout – and Los Angeles, a team that seemed far removed from being considered a Cup contender a few years ago, won the Cup this season. Competitive parity has never been better.

The greatest irony, however, is that seven years later, small market Nashville, which still receives a hefty revenue sharing check, is among the most competitive in the NHL and recently matched the Flyers’ gargantuan restricted free agent offer sheet to Shea Weber of 14 years and $110 million.

“The biggest thing I heard seven years ago was we had to save the dying teams – the Nashvilles, the Tampa Bays, the Phoenixes,” Hartnell said. “There were five or six teams that were hurting. You look seven years later and the way the cap was growing, and the way the league revenue was growing, it’s been nothing but great things for everybody. Fans are happy. The game is the best it’s ever been. What is all comes down to is, they [owners] want a bigger piece of the pie. Seven years ago they wanted cost certainty, they wanted parity in the league and locked us out to get it and got everything they wanted.

“… We’re not going to take a deal where Ryan Suter and Zach Parise sign $100 million deals only to take a 24 percent cut and get paid 76 million. I don’t know if owners were thinking that’s why they signed these guys to that kind of money, but it’s a little ridiculous to me.”
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“They have a set of goals to get,” Hartnell said. “As you see by their first proposal … it takes every leverage a player had and throws it out the window. Obviously, the biggest thing is the percentage [of revenue]. Forty-six percent for us, instead of 57. It’s very frustrating for us, that’s for sure.”

Recently, the union made it clear after one bargaining session that the owners need to take a harder look at revenue sharing and change the system to make it more viable to struggling clubs. On that front, it is expected the union will counter with a luxury tax, which Fehr instituted with success in baseball.

“Whether there’s a luxury tax, I don’t know how you make it work, but you read all these articles and a lot of people have great ideas,” Hartnell said. “It’s up to us to get the players and owners to figure it out before there is a stoppage. It’s August and probably six weeks till training camp starts … I think the information we’ve asked for and have gotten certain part now, that’s the key to the whole thing. You can’t make an educated decision on a cutback if you don’t know what is going on without audited records. We’re doing a great job to get informed and make an educated decision. These are educated men and hockey men. It’s ridiculous to think they don’t want to start the season on time.”

I don’t believe that the NHL cares if the season starts on time, but that’s just me looking at the record of the gentlemen who’ve locked the players out twice over the past 18 years.

 

 

And finally, if we’re going to be speaking about “heated discussions,” I know that more than a few of you suffered from Magnum P.I. raised eyebrow syndrome when you heard that Paul Coffey, Martin Lapointe and Mathieu Dandenault will be joining the Wings’ alums for the Alumni Showdown at Comerica Park, but I’ll put things bluntly:

In Coffey’s case, I know that the man held a grudge against the Red Wings for trading him to Hartford for an incredibly long time, and given that Coffey both found himself losing the Cup to the Wings as a member of the Flyers in 1997 and given that he never really reclaimed the form he displayed in Detroit as his career waned, bouncing from Hartford to Philly, Chicago, Carolina and eventually Boston, his career may very well have ended after the Wings rewarded him for a 90-point season in 95-96 by sending him and Keith Primeau to the Whalers for Brendan Shanahan.

Bringing Coffey back into the fold can help mend fences and offer at least some sort of acknowledgment that leaving a Hall of Famer out of a three-Cup run may have been business as opposed to something more personal (despite Scotty Bowman’s mind games to the contrary)...

And I think some of us forget that Martin Lapointe’s departure was almost as acrimonious as Sergei Fedorov’s exit—and it had an effect upon Lapointe’s career similar to Coffey’s departure.

The old rumor goes that Ilitch suggested to Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs that he was a cheap SOB during a Board of Governors meeting (Jacobs is now the Chairman of the Board, for the record), and with that, Jacobs hatched a plan to swipe a player from Detroit. When Martin Lapointe, who we now know was being groomed as a potential successor to Steve Yzerman, became a free agent in the summer of 2001, Jacobs and the Bruins shocked the Wings by…Well, I’ll let the Calgary Sun’s Randy Sportak tell the story from a column penned in 2004:

Bruins give winger four-year, $20M deal for one better-than-usual season

A day after [Bobby] Holik signed [with the New York Rangers] came a reminder the Boston Bruins have no right to complain about salary escalation.

A year before signing Martin Lapointe, Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs and Detroit owner Mike Illitch got into a heated shouting match at the board of governors meeting. Illitch called Jacobs a cheapskate for raking in so much profit with a mediocre team year after year and Jacobs vowed revenge.

It came in the form of signing Lapointe to the tune of four years and $20 million.

Lapointe, who somehow scored 27 goals the year before, has been either hurt or back to his old self—a career 15-17 goal scorer.

Word is, Lapointe’s agent had a deal with Detroit GM Ken Holland to give him a last chance to come to terms and Holland’s reply hearing the numbers was: “You’re lying.”

Lapointe only played for six more seasons, and he only came close to the numbers he’d begun to produce with the Wings during his first season with the Bruins. When he retired after playing for Boston, Chicago and Ottawa, he became a member of the Hawks’ front office, and recently left to become the Montreal Canadiens’ director of player development, so enough time has passed that Ilitch and the Wings clearly want to let bygones be bygones with Lapointe, thus the invite.

So there’s something to be said for the power of a Winter Classic Alumni game invite as an olive branch in both cases.

Dandenault was an important part of those three Cups the Wings won under Bowman, too, and again, he was a player who never really equaled his prominence with the Wings during four post-lockout seasons with Montreal. No word as to whether Dandenault will start the game as a defenseman, play forward for a few shifts and then go back to defense. wink

 


One more thing: As I said on Twitter, I saw this in Hockeytown Authentics’ window on Wednesday (they are awash in Drew Miller’s sticks and Danny Cleary’s skates, but there were some Zetterberg twigs and a slate of game-worn jerseys with super sticker shock prices available there as well), and I still don’t know what to think about it:

 

Update: For the record, the Abbotsford Times reports that the Calgary Flames’ AHL affiliate, the Abbotsford Heat, have signed former Wings prospect Adam Estcolet to an AHL-only deal;

• And, uh…From the New York Post’s Mark Everson:

They sweated the small stuff with “heated discussions” Wednesday. It bodes ominously that fireworks could erupt when the NHL and its Players Association finally argue the big “lockout issues’’ in the next week.

Union head Donald Fehr joins the CBA negotiations Thursday at NHL headquarters in midtown, and is expected to challenge the NHL’s proposals for revising methods of counting revenue today and tomorrow. But sources say Fehr is not likely to present the union’s economic proposal — the big one — until the sides reconvene in Toronto, starting Monday.

Fehr arrived in New York yesterday from Barcelona, where he conferred with his European constituency, but did not join the “small group” talks that focused on grievance arbitration in the morning, and supplemental discipline in the afternoon.
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Both sides are waiting to see Fehr’s proposals, expecting him to take a militant stance against further concessions on the salary cap.

A proposal to dismantle the current salary cap would be a bold declaration of intent. Fehr will have to demonstrate his historic other-sport strength in these negotiations, since tough negotiator Bob Goodenow fell victim to a cabal in 2005 that snatched defeat from the jaws of union victory.

The league has proposed drastic give-backs by the union with little inducement. The NHL’s proposal would cut the players’ share of revenue from 57 percent to 46 percent, and the union calls it 43 percent because of proposed changes in counting revenue. The union says that plan amounts to a 25 percent pay cut. The league also wants to extend entry contracts from three years to five, and severely limit salary arbitration.

 


Update #2: Via RedWingsFeed, if you find yourself in Northwestern Lower Michigan, from the Traverse City Record-Eagle:

Former Detroit Red Wings forward Darren McCarty will make an appearance at Wuerfel Park on Tuesday as part of a nine-game homestand.

McCarty — a member of the Red Wings Stanley Cup championship teams in 1997, 1998, 2002 and 2008 — will sign pregame autographs on the Wuerfel Park concourse as the Beach Bums host Strike Out ALS Night.

Traverse City will wear special jerseys during the game that will be auctioned off during the contest against the Joliet Slammers with the proceeds going to research for ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s Disease.

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Offer Kindl for Babchuk and laugh all the way to the bank. 

I said it before last season, that Babchuk (a Righty) is a perfect fit for the Wings.

Posted by BobaFett from Las Vegas on 08/09/12 at 10:00 AM ET

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The claim that Wideman’s signing makes Bouwmeeester expendable is beyond ludicrous. Wideman was brought in for the offence, not the defence. Losing Bouwmeester would leave a huge gap on the back end in Calgary and there is no one else that can eat up those minutes against the opposing teams best players.

Babchuk, on the other hand, is likely quite available. He’s terrible defensively but with the right guidance I could see him becoming a decent PP specialist.

Posted by Iggy_Rules on 08/09/12 at 10:32 AM ET

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Offer Kindl for Babchuk and laugh all the way to the bank.

I said it before last season, that Babchuk (a Righty) is a perfect fit for the Wings.

Posted by BobaFett from Las Vegas on 08/09/12 at 08:00 AM ET

That actually sounds like a reasonably possible trade scenario.

The Wings have a tough decision with Kindl… he has a great physical combination of size, skill, and skating, but hasn’t been able to find consistency. They are basically at a fork in the road with him, IMO. Either they trade him now, thinking he is what he is and cut their losses. Or, they consider his potential still legit and with (as the old saying goes) defense being the hardest position to learn, they hang on and hope that this year he develops forward and next year is ready for 20 minutes per night and reliable.

Having seen the ups-and-downs of Ericsson (let’s not forget, after he recovered from that injury last year, it was almost like the injury gave him the reset he needed, as he played excellent down the stretch), I think they’ll hold onto Kindl and take the chance. Heck, look at Jiri Fischer. A more physical player by far, but actually a similar track to Kindl… knew he had the talent and tools to play top four, showed flashes, and took a couple seasons to find the consistency that was really required. Kronwall, again, different style player, but similar thing. He really only blossomed into the top two guy he is now a couple seasons back. So I think the Wings will look at this and ultimately decide to keep Kindl, especially in light of the fact the organizational depth is strong at forward and weak in the back.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 08/09/12 at 11:18 AM ET

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Hartnell’s comments and Zetterberg’s comments make it seem more and more likely that a CBA deal will not happen.  I don’t think Bettman is going to back down on the revenue sharing issue, and it is beginning to sound like the players won’t either…

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 08/09/12 at 11:34 AM ET

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Say NO to Boew!!!
The dude hasn’t played 1 second of NHL playoff hockey. I want nothing to do with his curse!!!

Bettman and the owners are idiots. How do you rave about record breaking revenue and then say ‘we’re poor’?

I was on the owners side in 04, but no longer.
They put in a great CBA that should have kept salaries in check. The owners screwed themselves over.

I do agree the players should take a lesser overall cut, but outside of that, keep the current CBA the way it is.

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 11:51 AM ET

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Hartnell’s comments and Zetterberg’s comments make it seem more and more likely that a CBA deal will not happen.  I don’t think Bettman is going to back down on the revenue sharing issue, and it is beginning to sound like the players won’t either…

Yep, it’s big millionaires vs little millionaires and everybody loses.

Posted by MoreShoot on 08/09/12 at 11:53 AM ET

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I do agree the players should take a lesser overall cut, but outside of that, keep the current CBA the way it is.

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 09:51 AM ET

Why is that?

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 08/09/12 at 12:46 PM ET

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Why is that?

57% is by far the largest cut players take in North American sports; even greater than the NFL and NBA.

So I don’t think it’s unfair for the owners to ask them to come down to between 50 and 53%.

Other than that, keep the CBA the way it is. It’s working.

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 12:59 PM ET

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Ok, thanks for elaborating. I disagree with the CBA working…to an extent. The floor is still too high for a half-dozen teams.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 08/09/12 at 01:10 PM ET

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I’ve said it before and will say it again, the Wings won’t go after Bouwmeester until after a new CBA, when the Flames might be forced to move salary.

Right now they are in the drivers seat, after the CBA they may well have to move him.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 08/09/12 at 01:12 PM ET

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The drawback to acquiring Bouwmeester is his $6.68 million salary cap hit for each of the next two seasons.

In Western Canada I see the Flames a lot and there are more drawbacks than money.  He is soft for a big man, never hits, not great in his own end, lacks any emotion, plays 1st PP and has poor numbers…....The Flames don’t want him as do most of their fans. They tried to dump him all of last year and it never happened even when there were playoff teams needing D men for the playoff run.

A huge mistake in my opinion.

He would excel in a non hockey market in the glades or Ohio, etc.

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 08/09/12 at 01:45 PM ET

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57% is by far the largest cut players take in North American sports; even greater than the NFL and NBA.

So I don’t think it’s unfair for the owners to ask them to come down to between 50 and 53%.

Other than that, keep the CBA the way it is. It’s working.

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 10:59 AM ET

I fail to see how this is a valid argument. Just because another league sets revenues at one point doesn’t mean the NHL should. And just because other leagues have a smaller players’ share doesn’t mean those other leagues are right.

The NFL is in a unique position as the most popular sport in the U.S. by a long shot. Combining that with the fact that it has a feeder/“minor league” system in the NCAA schools that always has players looking to make their first buck, the NFL is able to tell their players to take it or leave it in most cases. Also, there are no legitimate alternative leagues for the players to escape to. Football is only popular here. The CFL and whatever experiment the NFL has or had in Europe are useless. The NBA is much the same (though less popular). There are no quality alternatives for basketball pros to make money.

Now, the KHL, SEL, SM, and AHL aren’t great leagues. But they are immediately far more options than an NFL player or NBA player has to make decent money from their talent.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 08/09/12 at 01:52 PM ET

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Ok, thanks for elaborating. I disagree with the CBA working…to an extent. The floor is still too high for a half-dozen teams.

I agree. The floor should be lower and I think the owners will look to fixing that.
At the same time, I think the players have a valid point when they suggest more revenue sharing could be taking place which would help those small market teams to get to the floor a lot easier.

The owners like to talk out of both sides of their mouths. The last CBA was obtained to help the struggling, small-market teams.
But the owners want the players to fix that, not themselves.

In the end, I think this CBA is more about big owner vs small owner, not owners against players.

The big owners want to give less to revenue sharing, so their solution is to have the players simply earn less.
That way small market teams can afford top talent, while the big teams can afford MORE top talent or make an even greater profit.

In any case, I think the owners are more than willing to dice off a couple of months of play in order to get a favorable CBA.
If that happens, I’m officially done with the NHL.
I’ve been a fan for over 30 years but considering how much this league craps on it’s fans, as well as providing a product that is broken (way too few QUALITY goals, too many blocked shots, not enough room on the ice, goalie gear that is way out of control, etc, etc), it’s no longer my time, energy or money.

If the owners think the regular season is so useless they can cancel whole seasons or even large chunks of it, why should I care?

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 02:14 PM ET

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FWIW, I heard a lady being interviewed on the radio here in TC, she worked either for Centre Ice or the Wings & she was discussing the Prospect camp & Tournament - she said that if nothing was decided by the end of the next week,guess that would be 8/17 or 8/18 === that the camp would be cancelled for this year.- So they would just have some sort of training camp whenever the CBA was resolved—but uncertain where that would be.

Posted by howie young from up north on 08/09/12 at 02:23 PM ET

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I think Nathan had a great point about there being alternative leagues for hockey players so they don’t have to put up with Bettman’s crap if they don’t want to.  Why should the players give in on the money issue?  They gave in last time.  Not only that but, as Scott Hartnell pointed out, Minnesota may have signed Parise and Suter to $100 million deals believing that those players would immediately have to give $24 million back under the new CBA if the owners get what they want.  That goes beyond bad faith to outright fraud in my opinion.

The NHL is broken in lots of ways. In addition to the things Hank1974 listed, I would add horribly inconsistent supplemental discipline for head shots and the deal with NBC taking more games off Center Ice and Gamecenter without any reduction in price.  Also, I thought when NBC took over Versus, they would add that channel to cable systems that carry their other channels.  But I was out of town recently and discovered that the TV in my hotel had NBC, MSNBC and CNBC but not the NBCSN.  So the availability of hockey games on the former Versus is no better than when it was Versus.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 08/09/12 at 02:52 PM ET

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And given that [a bunch of players] will all be unrestricted free agents next summer (and will be harder to re-sign given a more restrictive CBA), and [another bunch of guys] will be restricted free agents next summer, there’s no point in adding a cap millstone to the mix

So that’s why we weren’t interested in Semin. Wait…

Posted by Herm from the office on 08/09/12 at 02:55 PM ET

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I would add horribly inconsistent supplemental discipline for head shots

Awesome point there too!

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 02:56 PM ET

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I’ve been a fan for over 30 years but considering how much this league craps on it’s fans, as well as providing a product that is broken (way too few QUALITY goals, too many blocked shots, not enough room on the ice, goalie gear that is way out of control, etc, etc), it’s no longer my time, energy or money.
If the owners think the regular season is so useless they can cancel whole seasons or even large chunks of it, why should I care?
Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 12:14 PM ET

This is eggzackey how I feel. I am down to attending 2 Wings games a year (1 reg season & 1 playoff gm) from 6-10 just a couple years ago. I love my Wings but the Griffins are gonna start getting more and more of my attention and $
F bettman and F the Board of Governors!

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 08/09/12 at 03:32 PM ET

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Yep, I was thinking that if there is a lockout, we need to start a movement to get Wings fans to attend Griffins and Walleye games.  Wish someone televised them, as I don’t live in Michigan anymore.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 08/09/12 at 03:55 PM ET

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Things will never be as simple as my brain is, but if the Cap is cut that will create one of two likely paths.  Using round numbers, if the cap were reduced from $75 to $60M they could say “that’s a 20% reduction, every player’s salary is reduced by 20%.  If you were under the cap, you’re still under the cap.”  in this scenaHrio there would be no need for a fire sale, teams keep who they signed during the summer, the new CBA protects the franchises from tough decisions.

Another, more brutal, chaotic path, is for the cap to be reduced to $60M, and the rule is, “Every player keeps his salary, if you are at a payroll of $72M, it’s up to you to jettison $12M, and you’ve got 21 days to do it. 

This would cause total havoc and really screw those teams who were active and gave out max salaries during the summer, and good players coud be available for any team that still had space.  Maybe teams would be given a buyout capability to free up some payers, I don’t know.

But if people are anticipating that post-new CBA that players will be available, that will only be due to some variation of the second scenaHrio in which GMs have their legs cut out from under them and must cut salary on their own.  That seems hideously unfair to lower the cap after the summer, changing the rules after the summer FA game was played, but the NHL, Inc., is capable of anything.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 08/09/12 at 04:10 PM ET

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Exactly Bill: That seems hideously unfair to lower the cap after the summer, changing the rules after the summer FA game was played,

Ken Holland bet on the wrong horse.  The GMs are not going to bail him out.  There will be another 24% rollback or whatever it takes.  The only players bought out will be middling or terrible ones.  Why do you think the ‘Canes “paid” Semin $7 million?  Because they will only owe him $5.32 million (as well as overpaying for the other Staal). And they have plenty of cap space to make it happen.

Players don’t want to move, that’s why so many signed long-term.  They’ll never agree to a cap that would force 25% of the players to move a week before training camp begins, pulling kids out of schools, etc.  Not going to happen.  Wake up KH!

Posted by jkm2011 on 08/09/12 at 04:58 PM ET

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So…we’re just going to roll with this core of blueliners? That’s what you’re making it seem like George.

Posted by Greg from Sarlacc Stomach on 08/09/12 at 05:01 PM ET

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If the Wings start the season with the 6 d-men they have now and don’t add a vet Holland has failed miserably. I hope he doesn’t fail miserably.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 08/09/12 at 05:16 PM ET

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If there’s a stoppage, I will put much more of my time and energies into the K-Wings, and some more into the Griffins.  And I really don’t think I’ll come back for the NHL if and when they resume.  I might even pick up following Dinamo Riga of the KHL again some more…

Oh and more into CCHA as well.

At the end of the day, that’s how a lot will feel too.  Last time we talked about the difficulty of winning the fans back.  Last time they got lucky that they could basically kill the Trap to regain fan interest.

They won’t have any such gimmick this time, and many simply won’t come back.

I think it’s time a North American start-up challenged the NHL for players.  It’s time for a big budget IHL 1.0 to return and go into NHL/AHL markets, as well as the Kansas Citys and Seattles, Quebec Citys and Las Vegas’ and Atlantas.  And Houston (since it would not be an NHL team).

Posted by Primis on 08/09/12 at 05:18 PM ET

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Primis, I think an alternate league would work - but only if the Stanley Cup could be won.

Does anyone know who technically owns, or speaks for, the Stanley Cup?

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 05:20 PM ET

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A more physical player by far, but actually a similar track to Kindl

Not even remotely close.  In a CBA where players were protected until 27 or 28 IIRC, on a team that routinely underplays rookies, and with a coach (Bowman) who really underplayed rookies, in a league with no salary cap, and a team that spent as much as any other club in the league, Jiri Fischer was playing almost 17 minutes a night by age 20 and was laying well over 20 minutes by age 22.

He was drafted in 1998.

Kindl was drafted in 2005.  It took him 5 years to even make the team. 7 years later he still can’t make the top 6.  Fischer was playing 20 minutes a night 4 years after he was drafted.

Kindl’s track is nowhere even in the same galaxy as Fischer’s was.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 08/09/12 at 05:28 PM ET

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Does anyone know who technically owns, or speaks for, the Stanley Cup?

Well, Stanley, of course.  Or you could argue Phil Pritchard as well.  wink

Posted by TreKronor on 08/09/12 at 05:31 PM ET

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Ok. I don’t follow baseball closely (well not closely enough to know about what type of agreement the have with Union and what Fehr did, so can someone please explain what a Luxury Tax is in sports and how it would work in NHL? Thanks.

Posted by Levi from the Thumb on 08/09/12 at 05:33 PM ET

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Kindl’s track is nowhere even in the same galaxy as Fischer’s was.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 08/09/12 at 03:28 PM ET

This ^^^^^
He’s not Jiri Fischer 2.0
He’s more like Anders Eriksson part deux.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 08/09/12 at 05:33 PM ET

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Ok. I don’t follow baseball closely (well not closely enough to know about what type of agreement the have with Union and what Fehr did, so can someone please explain what a Luxury Tax is in sports and how it would work in NHL? Thanks.

Long and short of it is, teams that spend over ‘x-amount’ have to pay a tax that is spread around to the rest of the league.
The more you spend, the higher the tax bracket.

It’s not as good as the NHL’s system because smaller teams get a very large cut.
But whether some fans like it or not, the system helps keep popular teams like the Yankees, Phillies and Red Sox in the playoff hunt every year.

Smaller teams don’t mind as much because they get some luxury money, but they also get a large chunk of revenue from their incredible TV deal.
With the Yanks in the postseason every year, ratings go through the roof, and all 30 teams reap the benefits.

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 05:38 PM ET

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Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 03:38 PM ET

Can we have this in the NHL please?

Posted by Greg from Sarlacc Stomach on 08/09/12 at 06:21 PM ET

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Can we have this in the NHL please?

LOL. I’d be alright with this system in the NHL too.
But for the system to work in hockey, you need a strong TV deal.
And in order for that to happen, you need two things need to happen (in my worthless opinion anyway):

1. The product on the ice HAS to improve. Yes, the speed and talent are there, but we need more quality goals and more quality chances.
You cannot sell a game where stars struggle to shine, and only produce a handful of even-strength chances a night.
Watch an old game from pre-1995 hockey, and you’ll see that every team’s star, would generate a crowd-pleasing opportunity nearly every shift.
TV broadcasting partners such as NBCSports, can’t sell a star to the masses if that star is held nearly invisible for a great majority of the game.

2. Big markets need to be in the semi-finals every year.
Everyone loves a good Cinderella story, but for the most part you need 3 of the 4 Conference finalists to be from large, sexy markets; ie Detroit (yes, I’m a homer), Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, LA, NY, etc.
But I believe this will happen if big markets are allowed to spend more, and if point #1 is handled.
If guys like Gaborik, Crosby, Datsyuk, Giroux, Kopitar are allowed to spread their wings so they’re scoring 100+ points a year, then these teams should be able to get into the semi’s on a fairly regular basis.

Sorry for the long post. I love hockey, I’m just tired of the sort of product the NHL has been shoving down our throats and telling us how awesome it is.
There are some excellent points to the game today, but I feel it can be made even better.
But that has to start on the ice, and it definitely has to start with the owners getting their heads out of their butts and cutting a deal that makes sense for both sides.
Having lockout’s every 5-7 years isn’t good business.
You’re basically telling the world, “we’re fine with our tiny base of diehards, we know they’ll come back. But the rest of you can take a hike”.

The NBA and NFL, two far more powerful entities figured out that missing games would be a nightmare, so the NHL shouldn’t be so arrogant to believe it could cancel an entire season and do it again only 8 years later.

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 06:31 PM ET

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We’re honestly better off with what we have right now and adding a UFA D vet.  I was hard on quincey but he’s really lacking character more than anything and that lockerroom is exactly the kind that can help him build some.  Once that falls into place I think you’ll see a more confident and responsible Q instead of a guy looking to prove he’s a hot shot and ends up hurting the team w/ penalties or odd-man rushes.

Most of our D corps has PLENTY of playoff experience.  Have a lot of size back there.  At least 2 that can drop the mitts (and Smith is actually good at it, his right/left cross is lightening fast, throws from both sides like Probie, took on AHL heavyweights as a rookie) and another one is the heaviest hitter in the league, all of them can skate and can move the puck.  A good solid ol’ sandpaper guy would round it out perfectly.  Smith put up what, 7 points in 12 games or something like that last year?  His vision and play anticipation is borderline elite level.  I just feel really great about this D corp surprisingly, but they do need that last PaPa Bear element back there.  Not looking to carry the load, but there to give them the condfidence they can.


And COMPLETELY agree with Z and Hartnell.  The owners got themselves in this mess with stupid contracts and it sounds like they’ve been banking on a salary roll-back given the crazy deals small-market welfare teams are making.  These owners are sickening.  Thank God we have Mr. I.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 08/09/12 at 07:06 PM ET

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Lil’ Gary is offering the players Monkey Fresca and telling them it’s PBR. I am 100% behind the players on this one. The NHL put the screws to the players last time, fuched us fans, crammed the stupid cap down everyone’s throats and now, after seven years of unprecedented growth, the owners are crying poverty and demanding even further concessions? Would any of you put up with that in your job? I sure as hell would not.

I don’t pay to see Charles Wang. I don’t pay to see Craig Leipold. I don’t pay to see Jeffrey Vanderbeek. I pay to see the players play hockey.

Here is a deal the League should jump at and the NHLPA should take because it’s not nearly as bad as what they will end up with:

Players get: A mildly expanded definition of Hockey Related Revenue to include relocation fees. Elimination of the escrow system.

Owners get: 50-50 split of HRR. Salary floor set at 27% of the salary cap.


Everything else, contract length, cap hit rules, arbitration and free agency rules stay the same.

Now drop the fuching puck and play Hockey.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 08/09/12 at 07:25 PM ET

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Does anyone know who technically owns, or speaks for, the Stanley Cup?

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/09/12 at 03:20 PM ET

The NHL is the keeper of the cup as essentially a trustee for it.  A startup league would technically have grounds to sue in order to get it awarded to “The best north american hockey franchise.”

Regardless of whether it was successful, I’d like to see that challenge come up, depending on the length of the lockout.

As for a luxury tax? No… and the owners won’t go for it either.  A luxury tax gives the biggest teams in the league the ability to spend away all of their profits… THIS is what caused the last lockout (it wasn’t the Predators and Hurricanes whining about their profitability. Without a floor, they actually claimed operating gains while the big clubs complained about their inability to make money with an uncapped system).

Lowering the floor does almost the same thing. It gives the bigger teams the competitive spending advantage they want while making sure that one of the smaller teams would have to assume the risk of spending more if they want to. It essentially lowers the need for revenue sharing while making sure that if any owner is going to spend himself to death by trying to spend above his means, it’s going to be one of the smaller teams.

Regardless, with player salaries remaining a fixed percentage of revenues, the players should only really care about what their percentage is and what the definition of revenues entails. The cap or the floor is essentially meaningless to a relatively fixed base of workers who are promised the same actual dollars regardless of how much preliminary spending in which the teams may engage.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/09/12 at 07:51 PM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/09/12 at 05:51 PM ET

IIRC, it’s the small minded market teams that are pushing for a reduction in the salary floor as a way to improve their “struggling” bottom lines.

The definition of HRR and the revenue split is the biggest issue, but don’t underestimate all the other “little” issues that are related to it: length of contracts, how cap hit is calculated, rookie contract length, UFA age, hiding bad contracts in minors or overseas. And from the players side, the excrow system. I’d wager a few pints of monkey fresca that the players are willing to roll back the HRR% a bit to get rid of it.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 08/09/12 at 08:03 PM ET

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Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 08/09/12 at 06:03 PM ET

Oh sure, I’d bet the players would give back some of the dough. The question remains why they should have to. 

Didn’t the league say that with “cost certainty” after the last lockout in which players’ salaries were tied directly to revenue that the league could survive?  What happened?  Cost certainty didn’t.  Even teams cheating the cap with creatively-constructed contracts haven’t broken the one unbreakable rule of the CBA:

There is no way for leaguewide player salaries to exceed 57% of revenues.

So what changed? The amount that the players got paid only changed to the level that hockey revenues increased, which they did by about doubling.  Revenues doubled, player salaries kept up, yet now everybody’s struggling. That just doesn’t compute.

Right now the small teams who simply want a lower floor or more revenue sharing are going along with the league’s initial proposal because there’s actually no harm in asking that the players give back a ridiculous sum to make everybody make money… If you get the system that keeps the worst team afloat while making the biggest team super-duper-duper rich, then go ahead and ask for it.

But, when it comes to aiming the gun between the eyes of the newborn puppy that is this season, will the small owners be able to pull the trigger because the big boys are telling them it has to be done?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/09/12 at 08:15 PM ET

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So what changed? The amount that the players got paid only changed to the level that hockey revenues increased, which they did by about doubling.  Revenues doubled, player salaries kept up, yet now everybody’s struggling. That just doesn’t compute.

Exactly. Like I said, I’m 100% behind the players.

The one thing that has changed since the last negotiations is Donald Fehr. Donald Fehr hates losing. Ask the baseball owners if they ever got the best of him. It’s not gonna happen in this negotiation either. My hope is the owners blink or else there will be another lost season.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 08/09/12 at 08:25 PM ET

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