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Red Wings evening news: Wings were in the Weber sweepstakes, but weren’t talking with Nashville

Updated with some rather depressing takes on the Weber sweepstakes from Khan and Pleiness at 7:11 PM: While I’m more than willing to give Ken Holland and the Red Wings’ management A’s for effort in terms of knocking on every trade and free agent possibility’s door, aggressively, over the last month, and as mentions of that fateful Carolina Hurricanes offer sheet to Sergei Fedorov back in 1998 and as Flyers owner Ed Snider’s rightfully getting mocked by the Hockey News’s Adam Proteau for having his Board of Governor hawkishness and eating his exploit-the-CBA cake and eat it, too, standards of sporting morals…

The Free Press’s Helene St James suggests that the Red Wings did not inquire as to one Shea Weber’s availability from Nashville for the same reasons that they were rebuffed by the Columbus Blue Jackets when the team inquired about Rick Nash’s availability—but she reports that the Wings were indeed speaking to Weber’s agent throughout this pre-offer sheet process:








So in this case, you can’t fault the Wings for doing due diligence.

Does this also mean that the Wings were considering tossing off an offer sheet, despite how much Holland despises them?

Who knows! But the Wings were certainly interested in what Kevin Epp [edit/update: per TSN’s Darren Dreger, and Jarrett Bousquet /edit] had to say, and that in itself tells you that the team continues to kick every tire and examine each and every free agent and trade possibility out there. That’s what Holland, Nill, Martin and crew do—they turn over every damn rock, and in the words of Mike Babcock, sometimes this hockey trading/signing business is like trying to aid your Cup-winning chances by having a, “We must make the playoffs” bottom line: “If you keep knocking on the door, eventually you’re going to get in.”

Here’s hoping that KH and co. kick it down sooner than later…


And this is where things get a little weird, because the New York Post’s Larry Brooks claims that Weber turned down an offer to come to New York, and the Tennessean’s Josh Cooper claims that Weber actually went on something of a grand tour—and his scouting-out process included visiting Metro Detroit on his own:


Makes you wonder whether Weber really wants the Predators to match the Flyers’ offer, doesn’t it?

As for that Shane Doan guy, he was in Manhattan today to take part in CBA negotiations, and Sportsnet’s Michael Grande offers the following updates on Doan’s status and/or decision-making process:



The Detroit Free Press re-posted the Arizona Republic’s Sarah McLellan’s story suggesting that Doan may or may not begin seriously looking at other teams’ offers on Friday…

While the hockey world is waiting on Coyotes captain Shane Doan to pick a team, Doan is waiting on potential buyer Greg Jamison to determine the likelihood his bid to purchase the Coyotes will be completed.

“We’re waiting to see what Mr. Jamison is going to do, now that it seems like the path has cleared to take ownership of the team,” agent Terry Bross said. “It’s been a little quiet from that camp.”

Bross hopes to hear from the Jamison group by Friday to receive some reassurance that a sale is coming. If that doesn’t happen, it’s likely that Doan would begin to examine the list of 16 teams that have expressed interest in the 35-year-old winger.

“I hear tidbits back and forth in some of the NHL circles that it’s going to get done and it’s moving forward,” Bross said. “I just haven’t heard it from them yet, so I hope to hear something like that sometime before the end of the week.”

Doan is in the midst of his third week as an unrestricted free agent, and his patience hasn’t scared away suitors. He has received six official offers. Bross anticipates that Doan will explore his options soon.

“Let’s narrow this list down and take a hard look at a few of the ones that you really feel like there’s a really good fit now that you know who’s interested and be fair to the clubs that you might not have as much interest in and let them know that they should go a different direction,” Bross said of what he plans to tell Doan. “That’s probably the next step, and I’m hopeful that Shane will be open to going down that path by the weekend.”



But in terms of what the Wings and other teams who were in the Weber sweepstakes in one way, shape or form might be considering, again, I’m frustrated as all hell get out to addmit that I’m probably going to annoy ESPN’s Craig Custance because his superb article about the bidders’ options is locked behind a paywall, and this constitutes a significant chunk thereof:

Trade options

Keith Yandle, Coyotes: The Coyotes aren’t shopping their talented defenseman, but he’s an asset whose trade value increases every time a defenseman is locked up long term. GM Don Maloney was made an offer around the draft that gave him pause, and since then Suter has signed long term and Weber has gotten his monster deal. According to an NHL source, it’s quiet on the Yandle trade talk front, and it’s hard to imagine Phoenix moving him until the Shane Doan situation is settled, but the Coyotes are in a great spot. They have depth on defense, a young franchise defenseman in Oliver Ekman-Larsson and a trade chip in Yandle, who is signed to a reasonable contract. Phoenix would require a good young center in return as part of the package.

Jay Bouwmeester, Flames: He has two seasons left on a deal that comes with a salary cap hit near $7 million that a number teams might be willing to accept because it’s a short-term solution. The Dennis Wideman signing gives GM Jay Feaster the flexibility to trade Bouwmeester and restock a system that could use young talent.

Potential 2013 unrestricted free agents

Alexander Edler, Canucks: Vancouver already has Kevin Bieksa, Jason Garrison, Dan Hamhuis and Keith Ballard locked up on defense, with Edler due for a big raise from the $3.25 million he’ll earn this season, the final year of his contract. Edler now replaces Weber as the most appealing potential free agent on defense next summer. Despite his playoff struggles, he was Vancouver’s best defenseman this season. A team such as the Red Wings, who were poised to draft Edler on scout Hakan Andersson’s strong recommendation, would likely push hard for Edler if he ever became a free agent. Ballard is another trade option on defense if Vancouver GM Mike Gillis can find a taker for a contract that comes with a $4.2 million cap hit the next three years.

Mark Streit, Islanders: Streit was minus-27 last season but missed the entire previous year with a shoulder injury, so part of that can be blamed on an early-season adjustment period. He was minus-21 before the All-Star break and just a minus-6 after. He’d boost any power play and can be penciled in for nearly 50 points when he’s healthy.

Tobias Enstrom, Jets: Next summer’s free-agent class of defensemen could potentially include veterans such as Lubomir Visnovsky, Sergei Gonchar and Kimmo Timomnen, but a player like Enstrom is more attractive because of his age. At 27 years old, he’s entering his prime and is quietly one of the more productive puck movers around. He’s generously listed at 5-foot-10 but makes up for his lack of size with his offensive creativity and playmaking skills. On the power play, he prefers to pass than shoot but still put up 10 goals in 2010-11.

You’ll have to take this with salt, but the Winnipeg press seems to believe that either the Jets won’t be able to lock up Enstrom before he becomes a UFA, or that the team’s priorities involve players like Byfuglien and Bogosian, making Enstrom more or less expendable down the line. At this time of year, one never knows whether there’s fire where there’s smoke, but the Jets’ press corps has been talking a worried manner about Enstrom’s long-term future in Winnipeg for four months now.



• In the alumni department, part 1: TSN reports that the Red Wings’ Alums will be tangling with two star Leafs now confirmed to participate in the Winter Classic Alumni Games in Tie Domi and Mats Sundin;

• In the alumni department, part 2, from CTV Kitchener’sRandy Steinman:

Waterloo Region’s best local hockey talent was on display at the Hespeler Arena, where the Cambridge Pro’s Foundation hosted its annual charity game in support of the Cambridge Ice Hounds and Kids Can Play.

It was standing-room only in Cambridge for an impressive display of local talent.  21 past, present and future NHL’ers took part, including Jeff Skinner, Kirk Maltby, Tim Brent, Bryan Little, John Mitchell, Todd Harvey, Ryan Ellis, Mark Scheifele and Tanner Pearson.

StanleyCup-champion Kyle Clifford of the Los Angeles Kings was also among the local stars.  Clifford will be the centre of attention again in five weeks, when he brings the Stanley Cup to his hometown of Ayr on August 22nd.

The NHL’ers signed autographs while a silent auction took place with proceeds benefitting the two charities.  The ceremonial faceoff was handled by Cambridge Corporal Tyron Tavares, who is based in Borden, Ontario.

If you live in Canada, you can watch a video of the event…

• In a different kind of “alumni” department entirely, former Penguin, Canadien, Flyer, Hurricane and Bruin Mark Recchi told ESPN Boston’s James Murphy that he doesn’t believe the NHLPA will allow the CBA negotiations to go the way of a lockout, nor does he believe that the owners are dumb enough to pull the plug;

• And you may also take this for what you will:

Update: Via RedWingsFeed, MLive’s Ansar Khan offers his take on the Weber sweepstakes, if we can call it that:

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland had several conversations with one of Weber’s agents, Kevin Epp, but the talks did not reach the stage where he was able to tender a formal offer. Weber reportedly visited Detroit, San Jose, the New York Rangers and Philadelphia. He chose to pursue a deal with the Flyers.

Philadelphia, on Wednesday, signed Weber to a 14-year, $110 million offer sheet.

Once again, the Red Wings tried to reel in a big fish but were left lamenting the one that got away. Add Weber to the list that includes Suter, Zach Parise and, in all likelihood, Rick Nash, as there appears to be little chance Columbus will trade its franchise player to Detroit. The Red Wings remain in the hunt for power forward Shane Doan, but he’s hoping to re-sign with Phoenix.
Trading for Weber was never a viable option for the Red Wings, contrary to a TSN report. The Predators had no intention of dealing him to their Central Division rival and no trade talks took place.

Detroit’s only options of landing Weber were to sign him to an offer sheet, with the hopes Nashville would not match, taking the compensation instead (up to four first-round draft picks), or hope that Weber signed a one-year deal with the Predators and became unrestricted in 2013.

But, the new collective bargaining agreement could feature a lower salary cap, a limit on the length of contracts and an increased age for unrestricted free agency. So Weber was wise to get his mega deal while he could.

The Red Wings have ample salary cap space (roughly $13 million) but have not yet been able to fill their primary needs – a top-four defenseman and a top-six forward. Options are extremely limited.

The Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness also confirms that the Wings had spoken to Weber’s agent(s):

According to a source, the Wings had expressed interest in Weber and had “numerous conversations” with his agent.

The Wings seemed to do everything they could to engage Weber to try and find out what he was looking for in a deal, but never were able to entice his camp into negotiating.

“If you’re not the No. 1 team, it doesn’t matter,” the source said. “We explored, but we could only get to a certain level.”
Had Detroit given Weber an offer sheet it would have been a first under general manager Ken Holland’s watch. The Wings have really never had to because they’ve had rosters with the likes of Nicklas Lidstrom, Steve Yzerman, Brendan Shanahan, Brett Hull and Chris Chelios.

“Times have changed,” the source said.

Holland said prior to the start of free agency that he would do whatever it took to improve the team in the offseason.

The Wings are still in need of a top six forward and a top four defensemen, which there are none left on the open market and therefore a trade may need to be made in order to fill that void. It’s just another chink in what once was the luster of playing for the Detroit Red Wings.

And the Free Press’s Helene St. James offers more Twitter quips:





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So in the background of that photo, is that all of the captain with Z next in line and in color? The previous photo looks to be a B&W Lidstrom…

Posted by Zach Alexander on 07/19/12 at 08:21 PM ET


Never mind, the photo on the other side of Lidstrom is in color as well, so much for that…

Posted by Zach Alexander on 07/19/12 at 08:23 PM ET

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I’m glad Sammy is back and I’m glad Hudler (who made us lose Sammy) is gone.

There. I said it.

Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 07/19/12 at 08:24 PM ET

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If Weber really did visit Metro Detroit on his own, no wonder he didn’t want to commit to the Wings.  He’d be more likely to join a KHL team after visiting a Siberian Gulag than join the Wings after getting an unfiltered taste of the D.

Posted by Hootinani on 07/19/12 at 08:25 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

*Throws tomatoes at you and all the damn fatalists that are trying to find something to impale themselves upon in the comments section of my blog*

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I did not know that, on July 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, the Red Wings failed to make the playoffs for seasons 2012-2013 to 2022-2023, nor did I know that the team forfeited all its games for the next ten seasons, either.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/19/12 at 08:33 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Zach, those pics in the back are Conn Smythe Winners…and yes, team Captains, too.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 07/19/12 at 08:38 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

TSN Interview with Shea Weber’s agent. clicky.

Posted by RWBill on 07/19/12 at 08:43 PM ET


I did not know that, on July 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, the Red Wings failed to make the playoffs for seasons 2012-2013 to 2022-2023, nor did I know that the team forfeited all its games for the next ten seasons, either.

Jeez, where have you been?

Posted by Garth on 07/19/12 at 08:49 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

In other Detroyet sports news, if you can get a ticket to this one, go for it.  It will be a great time on Adams street this weekend, especially the first game Friday night as the Tigers try to catch the White Sox for first place.

“Leyland said he knows it will be an exciting week for the city—especially with Justin Verlander vs. Jake Peavy to open the series Friday”

Posted by RWBill on 07/19/12 at 08:52 PM ET


@ hootinani

Metro-Detroit scenery and an unfiltered taste of the D are two different things.

You can make that argument about most of the “nice” cities vs unfiltered looks (lakefront Chicago vs southside, Georgetown vs DC, Hollywood vs LA, nice areas of Boston vs Southie area, etc).

It’s also naive to think a player with multiple years in the league doesn’t know nice and affluent places he can go in cities without having to make a secret visit to these cities right before he signs an offer sheet. I am not buying it…

The Flyers have a young talented team. They have 2 former teammates of Weber that he can ask question of. Their management has proven they will spend to compete for a Cup. They treat older players right (Pronger being pulled towards their front office and not pushed away so they can seem like he is rehabbing and belongs on LTIR).

My question is what does the league with injuries similar to Pronger’s in the new CBA? If the league said 35+ players that are injured for longer than 1.5yrs no longer have their cap hits counted as LTIR relief the Flyers would be forced to sell of significant pieces. It would be a way for Buttman to punish the Flyers while accepting that Weber’s contract is legal and could be slipped in at the last minute.

And you can bet Jakub Voracek gets a nice little offer sheet…followed by Simmonds next year. It’s the whole they opened Pandora’s Box thing.

Posted by dca from in Mich on 07/19/12 at 09:03 PM ET


No As for effort from me. Open the fricken checkbook and make it happen. If we “were in the running” for a player do we get a share of that players production? I certainly hope so.

Posted by NHLrick on 07/19/12 at 09:11 PM ET


Please Kenny, for the love of dog, no doanbag. Sign Carlson or Subban to an offer sheet. This team can score enough goals, so long as we don’t have Little Sisters of the Poor playing defense.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from La La Land on 07/19/12 at 09:13 PM ET


No As for effort from me. Open the fricken checkbook and make it happen.
Posted by NHLrick on 07/19/12 at 07:11 PM ET

Amen to this.  Whether or not Weber or his agent asked for an offer sheet, why wouldn’t you send one anyway to show you are serious? Worst that can happen is that he tells you he’s not going to sign it or tells you to sweeten the pot.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from La La Land on 07/19/12 at 09:18 PM ET

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I’d still like to see Kenny in hot pursuit of Bouwmeester.

As for more big-name FA’s turning down Detroit, we continue to get reminders almost daily that the Yzerman Era truly came to an end in June of 2012.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 07/19/12 at 09:20 PM ET

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Filppula for Yandle.  Get it done.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Somewhere West of Detroit on 07/19/12 at 10:21 PM ET


Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 07/19/12 at 08:21 PM ET

Wake up or sober up.

Posted by Garth on 07/19/12 at 10:25 PM ET

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I’ll say it again, Wings need to find a way to sign Semin.  Doan’s not coming to the Wings, he’s staying in Phoenix or going to LA or SJ.  I keep hearing that he’s asking for too much money and his agents batshit crazy, but I also keep hearing he’s looking for $10M over 2 years, which is very, very reasonable seeing as Hudler just got $16M over 4 years and Semin’s a better skater, better shooter, better passer, and despite what some would make you believe, better defensively than Huder.

And I don’t really care what his work ethic/attitude was like in Washington given that the leadership on that team consisted of the likes of Ovechkin and Green.  Datsyuk would be way better of a Russian influence on him than Ovie ever was.

Just do it, Kenny, the guy’s a right handed pure goal scorer and playmaker.  Two years isn’t that much of a gamble.  How about we finally give Pav a winger to play with?

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 07/19/12 at 10:27 PM ET

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This is Fil’s make-or-break year. No question he had the best year of his career last year, but he tailed off towards the end. He needs to show he is a top-4 forward on this team.

The talent is there. Is the dedication and drive?

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 07/19/12 at 10:49 PM ET


How about we finally give Pav a winger to play with?

Pav has had a pure goal scorer to play with and playing with Pav hasn’t made Franzen give a damn, why should it make Semin?

Posted by Garth on 07/19/12 at 11:12 PM ET

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That’s what Holland, Nill, Martin and crew do—they turn over every damn rock, and in the words of Mike Babcock, sometimes this hockey trading/signing business is like trying to aid your Cup-winning chances by having a, “We must make the playoffs” bottom line: “If you keep knocking on the door, eventually you’re going to get in.”

And yet people will whine that Holland sucks. Sad isn’t it.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/19/12 at 11:14 PM ET


If it’s true that Weber was in town and visited the DRW Brass, why didn’t they throw him that 100 mill deal?  How can you say that it never developed to that level?  All you have to do is throw it out on the table. *sighs*

Posted by Crow on 07/19/12 at 11:49 PM ET


How can you say that it never developed to that level?

Because casually throwing nine-digit offer sheet at someone isn’t a level that exists for Ken Holland.

Posted by Garth on 07/20/12 at 01:21 AM ET

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Pav has had a pure goal scorer to play with and playing with Pav hasn’t made Franzen give a damn, why should it make Semin?

Posted by Garth on 07/19/12 at 09:12 PM ET

Franzen isn’t Semin.  Even if Semin gives the same damn as Franzen has, Semin has twice the skill.  Semin being who he is put up huge numbers when he got to play with talent.  He played with Ovie and Backstrom pretty much his entire career and his dip came when he got separated from those 2 last year and was essentially playing with 3rd line type talent and put up numbers similar to Franzen’s regular seasons playing with Pav. 

Give these 2 the same caliber of linemates and Semin would blow away Franzen.  Look at Semin’s stats from the 06-07 season thru 10-11 seasons (his seasons spent mostly on the top line):  166G, 166A in 340G which averages 40G, 40A over a full season.  Last year he played pretty much on his own line away from Ovie and Backs and his 82 game pace was 22G, 35A for 57 points.  His best season was 09-10 where his 82 game pace was 45G, 49A for 94 points.

Now look at Franzen who played with Pav pretty much exclusively the last 2 seasons where his average 82 game pace was 31G, 29A for 60 points.  His best season was 08/09 where his 82 game pace was 43G, 29A for 72 points.

What does that data tell me?  For starters, besides he rookie year, last year was Semin’s worst year as a pro, and his point total pretty much matched Franzen’s last 2 years, which were 2 of his top 3.  To be fair to Franzen, Semin played with much better teammates early in his career than did Franzen, but that’s my point to begin with.  Franzen played with arguably the best player in the league as his center the previous 2 seasons, and put up similar numbers to Semin’s worst year.  When Semin got to play with elite talent, he put up just shy of point-per-game numbers on average (exceeding it twice), something that Franzen only sniffed once in his career.

So yeah, I think if you put Semin with Datsyuk, he puts up better numbers than Franzen did with Datsyuk, whether his attitude changes or not.  If his attitude improves over what it was with Washington, who knows how high he can go?  For the reported 2 years/10M he’s looking for, I think that worth it.

And I’m not trying to bash Franzen here, personally I wouldn’t mind seeing a Semin/Pav/Mule line.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 07/20/12 at 01:32 AM ET


Until I find out why top level, medium level free agents will not sign with Detroit, nothing else matters - for me.  My rock bottom in this free agency period was Sammy Salo laughing at Detroit ‘s contract offer. Jesus.  Somebody in the NHL community can atleast postulate why the Wings are having an absolutely horrific FA period.  24 million to spend,  critical roster positions empty and the Red Wing brand equals ZERO.  Wings fans cannot be chided for holding the Red Wings accountable for expectations the Wings themselves created.  NHL’s master dealmaker, Ken Holland, has been “shut-out” of this years FA market. creating many worst case scenarios. I feel like this is a Twight Zone episode.

Posted by beelza on 07/20/12 at 02:17 AM ET


Remember how up in arms we were when James Wisniewski shot us down stating the wings don’t pay market value for Thier players? Well turns out he’s still a tool, but a tool that speaks true. The Red Wings don’t determine the market value of a player. The MARKET does!!!! If the market says it will take 8mil per year for suter then you have to offer that. Stop waiting around for a f***ing bargain and pay somebody to come play hockey. A player is worth what an open market dictates they are worth.

Posted by NHLrick on 07/20/12 at 03:41 PM ET

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I know we’re sick of this, but this was fairly revealing:

Nashville has until 11:59 p.m. Wednesday to match the Flyers’ offer, which, according to a source, is $110 million over 14 years.

It does not sound as if Weber wants to return to Nashville. His contract will be second only to the $124 million deal signed by Washington’s Alex Ovechkin.

“I don’t think you sign an offer sheet unless you’re pointing in that one direction,” Jarrett Bousquet, Weber’s agent, told AM-1050 in Toronto. “He would like to play with the Philadelphia Flyers because we all feel he’s just another piece in the puzzle to take them to the next level, and he doesn’t want to go through a rebuilding process again.”


Sounds like to me, he’s outta NSH.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 07/20/12 at 09:41 PM ET

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