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Video- Andrew Shaw Suspended For 3 Games

Brendan Shanahan discusses the suspension.

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Terrible

Posted by SolidTG7 on 04/17/12 at 04:53 PM ET

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I wonder what Ryan Miller must be thinking? The goaltender is not fair game, but Smith’s reaction seemed a little bit over the top.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 04/17/12 at 04:58 PM ET

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That was a 2 minutes interference at best….no motion to hit the head…just skating by. 

NHL officiating/governing < CFL (which is terrible too)

Posted by Kobra on 04/17/12 at 05:04 PM ET

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I think it was too many, however if it was the goalie of the team you root for, you’d probably feel differently.

Also Phoenix is owned by the NHL, think about that.

Posted by SolidTG7 on 04/17/12 at 05:14 PM ET

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hockey1919 I don’t think Smiths reaction was over the top. His shoulder hit him squarely on the chin and he didn’t see it coming.  I don’t think he should have been suspended though. It appeared to be purely accidental, and Smith played the next game, so in Shanahan terms, it should be 1,500. I say 1,500 instead of 2,500 because this appeared to be accidental, wheras Weber was intended, and I believe this is Shaws first offense. So he shoulda have been just scolded very firmly.

Posted by T on 04/17/12 at 05:15 PM ET

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I can’t stand the blackhawks but this suspension is laughable. to me it looks like Smith threw his head back to draw a penalty. It looks like a phantom hit to the head.

Meanwhile it’s OK to grab other players heads and slam it into the glass.

Oh Asham and Neal yet to be suspended for far worse actions on Sunday !!!!

Posted by Jason on 04/17/12 at 05:16 PM ET

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That was a 2 minutes interference at best….no motion to hit the head…just skating by.

Not to say that this deserves three games compared to other running the goalie situations, or other nonsense so far in the playoffs, but i felt this was more than a 2 minute penalty.

He skated full speed into an area occupied by another player.  even if he didnt make a “motion to hit the head” as you say, he was completely irresponsible, and the result was he ran the goalie and hit him in the head.

Players need to be in control, and have respect for other players.

Posted by jwad on 04/17/12 at 05:18 PM ET

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thats 3 games too many in the regular season, so in playoff terms thats 9 games too many

Posted by pstumba on 04/17/12 at 05:21 PM ET

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If you would have shown me this video at prior to the start of the season, i would say minimum 5 games.  If you would have shown me this video a week after Ryan Miller was run by Lucic, i would say maximum of 2 minute penalty.  No, its a 3 game suspension.  Honestly, who the hell knows… its a crap shoot.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/17/12 at 05:22 PM ET

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uhgg, sorry about the crappy English.. Here it is again:

If you would have shown me this video prior to the start of the season, i would have said minimum 5 games.  If you would have shown me this video a week after Ryan Miller was run by Lucic, i would have said 2 minute penalt at maximum.  Now, its a 3 game suspension.  Honestly, who the hell knows… its a crap shoot.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/17/12 at 05:25 PM ET

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Honestly, who the hell knows… its a crap shoot.

Obviously not Shanny

Posted by SolidTG7 on 04/17/12 at 05:26 PM ET

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Hey Shanny!
Why does it take soo long for a decision???
How many takes did it take for your “presentation”?
You were a tough guy , back in the day, Its called Ice hockey.. not nice hockey!!
Tell Mikey Sally Smith to grow a pair of balls and give him a award for acting!

Posted by Coach Dale from Chicago on 04/17/12 at 05:31 PM ET

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Brendan Shanahan needs to be replaced.  He’s obviously lost control. In an attempt to be seen as a tough enforcer of the “player safety” rules he’s made
another enormous mistake suspending Shaw 3 games for a “hockey play”. Shaw never left his feet, did not lean into or take aim in any way at Smith (who is a great actor by the way). As Toews was given a goalie interference penalty earlier when the contact was created by Smith, I firmly believe Smith knew a Hawk would be coming after the puck behind the net and left no room for them to both be there.
The integrity of the game is at stake here,  Shanahan was a good player and is well spoken, but he obviously lacks the ability to judge each play on its own.  Shaw and all Blackhawk fans are getting penalized for the thuggery that has taken place around the league in the first round.  Shanahan has looked like a complete fool up until now with his decisions, now he looks totally incompetent.

Posted by Matt Sheppard from Illinois on 04/17/12 at 05:32 PM ET

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Shanahan has never liked the Blackhawks, all the way back to his days as a player. The 5 game suspension to Duncan Keith who had never been suspended before, and now the 3 game suspension to Shaw. Why was there no suspension for taking the back of a players head and smashing it into the boards.  He still has something against a team that he hated as a player and he is abusing his position with the NHL to go after them now.

Posted by Brad from Florida on 04/17/12 at 05:38 PM ET

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You have got to be kidding me.  It seems that the delay in the Andrew Shaw verdict was simply because Shanahan wanted to make a stupid power point presentation.  Is this really the way he’s going to present his verdict for every single infraction that comes across his desk?  Unbelievable.

Did Shaw hit him?  Yes.  But did Smith flop?  Yes.  The game misconduct and 5-minute major was more than enough punishment.  This 3 game suspension is just adding insult to the Blackhawks.  If Smith was hit so hard, you’d think that mask would have been knocked off his head.  Shaw should have just grabbed him around the neck and slammed his head against the wall.  Then he’d be able to play.

If I’m the Blackhawks, I go into the game very angry.  It appears that everyone is out to get them, so they need to play mad like they did last year when they came back from 0-3 to Vancouver to tie it up and get to game 7.  Time to just play ticked and win the series for Shaw.

Posted by Ted from North Carolina on 04/17/12 at 05:38 PM ET

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Another joke.

Shanahan’s got almost enough material for an HBO special.

Posted by Garth on 04/17/12 at 05:39 PM ET

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I don’t like this one but Keith deserved 5 for his flying elbow.

Posted by SolidTG7 on 04/17/12 at 05:43 PM ET

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I agree this is absurd. By Shanahan’s own standards a 3 game suspension in the playoffs is the equivalent to like 10-20 games in the regular season. Not only that, but I didn’t see this as intentional AT ALL. It in fact looks like Shaw went to block the puck and actually turned his head to the side so not to take it square in the face. At this moment, Smith’s momentum from shooting the puck has him bend way down forward and there is what is essentially incidental contact, albeit at a playoff pace.

Based on the Weber ruling, I really think the thing the league is weighing most is how big of a star the offending player is. The bigger the star, the more their loss affects the team, the lighter the punishment. If Kane hit Smith just like this, it would likely be a fine. But because Shaw isn’t a star, Shanahan can use him as an example/threat to other teams while not affecting the playoff race very much. 

I get weighing discipline differently in the playoffs than you do in the regular season. And while I don’t agree with it, I also get taking injury into account in the rulings, as it is in fact ONE signifier of how severe an act is. But having a separate standard for stars and role players is just totally not cool and completely unsportsmanlike.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 04/17/12 at 05:44 PM ET

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You have got to be kidding me.  It seems that the delay in the Andrew Shaw verdict was simply because Shanahan wanted to make a stupid power point presentation.  Is this really the way he’s going to present his verdict for every single infraction that comes across his desk?  Unbelievable.

The powerpoint presentations does make Shanahan look stupid and wasting internet bandwidth. Everytime he does one he makes himself look stupid.  He’s better off just doing a press release with a crayon at this point. He lost control when he didn’t suspend Weber. It just plan and simple. Players thought in back of their minds that shanny and front office had given them the green light to wwe/mma on each other. like they say Colin thinks, Shanny speaks…...

Posted by FlyersFan on 04/17/12 at 05:47 PM ET

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Hang in there Hawks fans.  It is now obvious to Shaw that instead of bumping into Smith, he should have taken his head and slammed it into the boards in Weber fashion.

Shanahan is a joke and so is the league office for letting this moron continue on.

You also know something isn’t right when he needs to explain why in a short video clip.  Either his ego has gone into new heights or he knows he screwed up royally.

Go Hawks!!!!

Posted by paperdealer on 04/17/12 at 05:54 PM ET

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sad thing here is that all the missed suspensions from concussion related plays will lead what is going in the nfl right now inwhich the retired players are suing the league.

Posted by FlyersFan on 04/17/12 at 05:57 PM ET

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Hang in there Hawks fans.  It is now obvious to Shaw that instead of bumping into Smith, he should have taken his head and slammed it into the boards in Weber fashion.

Shanahan is a joke and so is the league office for letting this moron continue on.

You also know something isn’t right when he needs to explain why in a short video clip.  Either his ego has gone into new heights or he knows he screwed up royally.

Go Hawks!!!!

Posted by paperdealer on 04/17/12 at 03:54 PM ET

You do know he explains almost everything he does via video right?

Posted by SolidTG7 on 04/17/12 at 06:00 PM ET

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As I have mentioned before, Shanahan lost control with the Weber decision, the playoffs have deteriorated into a goon fest and he is now trying to get control. It is very clear his only standards for a penalty are the status of the playing offender. Is he a star or isn’t he, can he make an example and was the player injured. Otherwise he has no standards at all. What a clown!

Posted by timbits on 04/17/12 at 06:05 PM ET

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keith deserved his 5 games for sure.
Shanny needs to setup a group of at least 5 people who all vote on the suspension in an annonymous fashion.  Then take the high and low and throw them out, take the other 3 add them together and divide by 3.

For example :
Shanny votes 3 games
Member #2 votes 5 games
Member #3 votes 10 games
Member #4 votes 0 games
Member #5 votes 5 games

throw 0 and 10 out.  Take 5+5+3 = 13 / 3 = 4.3 always round up 4.

I think no one would have been upset to see Shaw with a 4 game suspension for this at the begining of the season if it was consistent.  I think the more people involved the more consistent the end result will be.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/17/12 at 06:06 PM ET

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May I interest all fans of all Teams commenting here in some Tinfoil? wink

Time to don my own Tinfoil chapeau.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 04/17/12 at 06:17 PM ET

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Lucic must be laughing right about now…...

Posted by Spencer on 04/17/12 at 06:17 PM ET

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Had to add a little levity to the outrage. So now Shanny has it in for the Hawks?

I cannot wait to see the comments when the hammer comes down on the Pens and Flyers.

The sad thing is, that this could have all been avoided with a Weber suspension. The snowball effect. Coming to your favorite Team.

Thanks Shanny.  A$$ Kisser.

Thanks Gary. A$$.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 04/17/12 at 06:25 PM ET

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So by Shanahans standards:
Charging
No injury
No history
How is that 3 games? 3 games for charging? I think 2 minutes or even a game could have been sufficient. This wasn’t a head hunting play, but an overly aggressive forecheck.

Let’s see Weber:
Turnebuckeling
No Injury
Repeat offender
$2500k.

Lucic:
Penalty - not incidental contact
Injury to Miller
Repeat Offender
Nothing.

How is it that fans can come to a consensus, but the NHL can’t. I know many of us have only followed and played hockey for decades and we can’t understand the nuances of hockey like such learned men like Campbell and Shanahan, but really this is 3 and Lucic was a reprimand to the fans that what we saw was a hockey play.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 04/17/12 at 06:27 PM ET

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Shanny should just quit now. A once-great reputation is going to be forever tarnished by his whoring himself out to Bettman’s Grand Plan in the 2012 playoffs.

Sad.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 04/17/12 at 06:30 PM ET

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Hockey1919 is exactly right…even the explanation in the video makes no sense. This is a complete and utter joke. If you’re going to make this kind of decision don’t totally make it obvious that you are going against all the aspects that you’ve been pounding into our heads (repeat offenders, injuries, etc.).

As a Wings fan I say that I’m very sorry to all Blackhawks fans. This is just ridiculous and has far more of an effect than the non-Weber suspension on the series.

Posted by peiz11 from Minneapolis on 04/17/12 at 06:33 PM ET

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GTL has the best idea i’ve seen yet, and I think your absoulely right. With more people, you’ll get more of a consistent punishment.  Maybe Genaral Managers on a rotating basis, can’t rule on your own, can’t rule on an upcoming opponent within the next 5-10 games.

Posted by T on 04/17/12 at 06:35 PM ET

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Maybe Shanahan can explain in his next video presentation on why he’s such a idiot!

With bullet points!

1.  I took too many shots to the head in my playing career
2.  I kiss League A**** very well
3.  Who else but the NHL would hire me?
4.  I hate the team from Chicago…I can’t remember their name because its more than 5
    letters.

Posted by paperdealer on 04/17/12 at 06:37 PM ET

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GTL has the best idea i’ve seen yet

True. But when has a good idea ever been implemented by the NHL?

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 04/17/12 at 06:40 PM ET

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throw 0 and 10 out.  Take 5+5+3 = 13 / 3 = 4.3 always round up 4.

Erm, 4.3 rounded up is 5, not 4.

Posted by Garth on 04/17/12 at 06:40 PM ET

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Erm, 4.3 rounded up is 5, not 4.

oops.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/17/12 at 06:44 PM ET

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Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/17/12 at 04:44 PM ET

Having been the dick who points out a small error I should also say that I absolutely agree with you.  I would also say that there shouldn’t be a “head” disciplinarian, it should simply be a committee.  Maybe you have one person do the videos for the sake of continuity (or maybe you have someone specifically appointed to the role of “hosting” the videos, someone who isn’t involved at all in the decision-making process) or maybe you rotate who does the videos.

Posted by Garth on 04/17/12 at 06:55 PM ET

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I think it was proposed not too long ago that rotating GMs from each conference and an NHLPA rep sit it on the panel with the two GMs from the teams directly involved. Shanny would then just oversee the process, you will probably see short suspensions but a fair amount of consistency. No GM will go crazy knowing it could be their team next, but they wouldn’t want a competitor to get of free either. Then again, I am probably giving the GMs too much credit.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 04/17/12 at 07:06 PM ET

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Spectacularly poor call!

The correct call:  2 minutes on Shaw for goalie interference and 2 minutes on Smith for diving ...

The NHL must have decided to reduce its losses in Phoenix with gate receipts from another one or two playoff games (before moving the team to Canada) ...

They should make Shanahan open the Roman Polak door after his poor performance on this call ...

Posted by Yimmy from MN on 04/17/12 at 07:17 PM ET

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I actually think I’ve figured it out.  You take the incident, consider the history of the players involved, come to a logical decision and then do the exact opposite of what makes sense.  That or he’s using a Magic 8 Ball.  Though I think the 8 ball would be more consistent.

Posted by HockeyFanOhio from Central Ohio on 04/17/12 at 07:33 PM ET

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This decision is even worse than the non-suspension relating to the Weber/Zetterberg incident…and I’m a Wings fan. Not only was this not worthy of a suspension, it was barely an interference penalty. This handout is a direct result of Mike Smith’s over the top reaction, period. Smith clearly took note of what happened with Zetterberg and knew that in order to draw a penalty (which I’m sure is all he was going for here) he needed the appearance of injury. Do you mean to tell me that the league watched his reaction and couldn’t see it for what it is?! Fu*k you, NHL.

Posted by godblender on 04/17/12 at 07:57 PM ET

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