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Stamkos vs. Omark: The Controversy That Isn’t (With a Cameo from Denis Savard)

A few weeks ago, Edmonton’s Linus Omark’s spin move from center ice to begin the eventual shootout winner over Tampa Bay irked the Lightning. Players called it disrespectful, embarrassing and so on and so forth. I opined that it was no big deal and that the Bolts were overreacting. A day later, many of them realized just that, including the victimized goaltender, Dan Ellis, in particular.

“Bottom line, the kid scored,” Ellis told ESPN 1040’s Mike Corcoran. “In the end, if we want to go spin every time and put the puck in the net, then so be it.”

Last night, Steven Stamkos was awarded a penalty shot against Montreal and converted to lengthen the Lightning’s lead in an eventual 4-1 win with a more traditional spin-o-rama from in tight.

And, sadly, it didn’t take long for several mouths to start yapping about Stamkos’ attempt being just like Omark’s, when nothing could be further from the truth. Snarks aimed at Ellis, specifically, were commonplace and one has to wonder, at this point: What is it that people outside of Tampa (and maybe Detroit?) seem to hate so much about the Bolts? Success breeds contempt, I suppose - or maybe it’s a Florida/Southern hockey thing… But it seems like any time anything even remotely spicy pops up around this team, so many are - pardon the pun - lightning-quick to pile on.

In any event, as far as the Stamkos penalty shot goes, this is a non-issue. The only quasi-rational beef anyone can have on the play would involve questioning whether Stamkos’ forward motion ever came to a complete stop. Rule 24.2 says: “The spin-o-rama type move where the player completes a 360° turn as he approaches the goal, shall be permitted as this involves continuous motion.”

Soooooo, let’s keep this as simple as it is and go straight to the video evidence.

First up, the Omark bit (only because many of you drew the parallel):

Whatever. I still contend that Omark’s fake/muffed slapshot attempt and eventual changeup of a shot was far more troubling to Ellis than the dipsy-doo he pulled at the red line.

Next, Stamkos from last night:

 

All I can say is that there was little debate in-house when the goal was scored as to whether or not he stopped and, in the end, it was allowed. Further, to call this the same move as Omark’s is an admission of some severe spatial deficiencies. End of story. (Please?)

And, finally, for those of you that made the reach of all reaches in comparing the Stamkos goal to the Omark move, I could only do a little reaching myself and assume that you’d never before seen the master of the spin-o-rama, Denis Savard, in action. That most of Savard’s spin-o-ramas came at the expense of a defenseman or two (and, only later, a goaltender) is irrelevant. I don’t think you heard any of them complaining about disrespect. (Instead, in all likelihood, bemoaning the loss of a jockstrap or two.) But I’m here for you, with a classic Savardian spin-o-rama at the end of a clip featuring several other attempts in recent years:

 

This conversation is now over.

Happy New Year.

JJ
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  Tags: dan+ellis, denis+savard, linus+omark, spin-o-rama, steven+stamkos

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hes a hot dog. that stuff is a disrespect to the game. he should be trying that stuff. ovechkin and crosby dont try it.

look, the point is, the dudes a straight up hypocrite trying “creative things” in a game, and then whining about it when someone else tried something CREATIVE. its not about the semantics if the “moves were the same” or under what context, you morons.

its so hilarious how far morons will go trying to rationalize one guys actions cause hes so lovable for the league and a big-nosed-little-baby-bird. but then harp on another dude cause the kids from sweden and didnt “pay his dues”. all those people do that can go rot for using double-standards in a game of entertainment.

point is, Stamkos and the Lightning need to keep their mouths shut.

Posted by DeathMetalNightmare on 12/31/10 at 03:11 PM ET

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Stamkos and the Lightning are pure hypocrites. If you’re defending them, you are wrong.

What is it that people outside of Tampa (and maybe Detroit?) seem to hate so much about the Bolts? Success breeds contempt

What success? The franchise has done nothing since the lockout. Detroit and Pittsburgh are classy, professional organizations. Tampa Bay, until recently, had a circus ownership.

Posted by cs6687 on 12/31/10 at 03:29 PM ET

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JJ,

I think most people are just upset that St. Louis and Ellis were upset at Omark’s spin, but certainly approved of Stamkos’ spin on his penalty shot. I think it’s the hypocrisy that has some people fired up.

Posted by GoPens on 12/31/10 at 03:34 PM ET

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Maybe hockey needs an Ochocinco, Mike Vick, Brett Favre, and Ben Roethlisberger so fans can argue about showboating, dog fighting, sexting, and sexual assault instead of silly things like spinning on the ice in the middle of a game.

//sarcasm//

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 12/31/10 at 03:51 PM ET

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Nobody has contempt for the Lightning. They’re not important enough yet.

The only issue here is that Dan Ellis keeps putting his foot in his mouth. If he mans up and accepts that Omark beat him instead of whining about how, this controversy with Stamkos (which shouldn’t be a controversy in any event) never happens.

Lord, even Don Cherry was okay with a shootout move by a guy named Linus Omark, (which never happens), but Ellis isn’t? Ellis should go back to complaining about the difficulties of being rich.

Posted by StevieSteve on 12/31/10 at 04:27 PM ET

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What is it that people outside of Tampa (and maybe Detroit?) seem to hate so much about the Bolts?

Really, I don’t get that. But I do see the hypocrisy coming from some of their players.
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...and a big-nosed-little-baby-bird.
Posted by DeathMetalNightmare

Oh good, I thought I was the only one who thought he (Stamkos) looked like a bird.

Posted by Lindas1st from New England on 12/31/10 at 04:55 PM ET

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I’m a little fuzzy on the whole spin thing. Is any spin move showing off or is there a seniority thing involved whereby rookies and second year players aren’t allowed to spin, but third and fourth year players are allowed a half spin with fifth year vets given the green light for the full spin. The Stamkos shot really wasn’t all that special. Now if he had pointed to where he was going to put the puck and scored with the spin, not only would that be impressive but that would be showing off.

Posted by UMFan from Denver, Colorado on 12/31/10 at 05:37 PM ET

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To all: Happy New Year, but… No one’s getting the point that Omark/Stamkos goals were inherently different.

Read the bit. Watch the clips.

El fin.

JJ

Posted by Jon Jordan from Tampa, FL on 12/31/10 at 07:43 PM ET

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No one’s getting the point that Omark/Stamkos goals were inherently different.

You’re right.  What Omark did was completely harmless, and if you think that giving the goalie a snowjob is less disrespectful to the game than a cutesy little spin move, then you’re out of your mind.

Posted by Garth on 01/01/11 at 12:34 AM ET

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Garth,

That “snowjob” was an inconsequential part of a classic spin-o-rama move that has been done a million times.

I must be out of my mind.

The chatter on this non-issue - which, thankfully, has finally subsided somewhat - is absolutely ridiculous.

JJ

Posted by Jon Jordan from Tampa, FL on 01/01/11 at 11:40 AM ET

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The chatter on this non-issue - which, thankfully, has finally subsided somewhat - is absolutely ridiculous.

You’re feeding this JJ. Don’t act all high and mighty.

Posted by GoPens on 01/01/11 at 03:07 PM ET

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Stamkos forward motion appeared to have ended…and it seemed his motion moved away from the net in course of the spin….no goal.

The rest does not matter.

After a few players pull a “Jacobellis” and blow the extra point then needless (and harmless) moves like Omark’s will be discouraged and will end

Posted by USHA#17 on 01/01/11 at 09:00 PM ET

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I think it was the fact that the stars on the other team were sour about it, not about losing.  Give credit where it’s due, that’s a sign of class.  Stamkos and St. Louis are classy guys and had an unclassy moment.  If they didn’t want a certain move done that’s within the rules of hockey, then they shouldn’t have let it go to shootout.  Those look like excuses and fans of good hockey teams know there are no excuses for losing.  Even when the Refs rape detroit (e.i. Sharks series 2010), they don’t bitch about it and if they do it’s secondary and then they put the credit where it’s due.  Stamkos could have said, I wouldn’t have tried that as a rookie but the bottom line is he capitalized.  But instead he talks about respect,  THATS where it gets messy.  Could you imagine Datsyuk or Zetterberg after a game like that.. could you imagine them sayig those things?  I can’t, I think they’re too worried about making themselves better that they don’t care what little tinkerbelle fairy moves some kid is doin’.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 01/02/11 at 06:31 PM ET

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