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Duhatschek dissects Kyle Turris trade talk

In his weekly notebook, the Globe and Mail’s Eric Duhatschek attempts to get to the bottom of what was a morning’s worth of flurries regarding the status of one Phoenix Coyotes forward Kyle Turris, who either may or may not be moved from the Phoenix coyotes prior to the NHL’s trade freeze on Monday:

Just about every Canadian team, except for Winnipeg and Montreal, has been linked to him and this is what [Coyotes GM Don] Maloney’s peers are evaluating at the moment:

First, they need to dismiss Turris’s recent play, because he hasn’t caught up to the pace of the NHL season as yet. Then they need to evaluate how little he’s done in his first three NHL seasons against the potential that made him the third overall choice in 2007, behind Van Riemsdyk and Patrick Kane.

Turris is just 22. He recognized early on that the fit wasn’t right in Phoenix (where coach Dave Tippett is no different than his peers, demanding accountability at both ends of the ice). But if everyone can remember what excited them about Turris’s potential four-and-a-half years ago - and factor in that he is physically more mature now than he was then - then they’ll have interest.

What Maloney has going for him is the systemic conceit around the league, where so many teams are convinced that a change of scenery, and specifically, a change to their scenery and to their methods and their coaching staff, can turn a player around.

Sometimes, it happens too. Look at how Alexander Steen blossomed away from Toronto. Look at how Joffrey Lupul blossomed in Toronto. Someone will take a chance on Turris and the price will be either a first-round draft choice or a prospect likely taken in the first round. It is time for the Coyotes to turn the page, land an asset, and permit Turris to start fresh somewhere else. Hey, you gotta be pretty desperate for a change if you want to get out of Phoenix in mid-December.

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Just about every Canadian team, except for Winnipeg and Montreal, has been linked to him and this is what [Coyotes GM Don] Maloney’s peers are evaluating at the moment:

This tells you everything you need to know about Mr. Turris.  The fact no other teams have indicated interest proves that his value is based on a myth perpetrated in Canada.  His “potential” is based on Tier 2 scoring records and one World Junior tournament. You would think a player would be evaluated on their actual performance and not on ones nationality. But then again this may explain why it has been a long time since a Canadian team has won the Stanley Cup. That being said I give credit to Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal for at least trying to ignore nationality, even if the media and fans keep dragging it back in. Teams would be well advised to steer clear of Kyle Turris.

Posted by timbits on 12/16/11 at 06:36 PM ET

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Posted by timbits on 12/16/11 at 04:36 PM ET

There are plenty of American-based teams showing interest in Turris as well. The article for the Globe and Mail simply chose to reference it’s native land in that particular sentence.

But I like that anti-Canada thing you got going on there.

Posted by SK77 on 12/16/11 at 07:08 PM ET

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But I like that anti-Canada thing you got going on there

I am not anti Canada, I am anti Canadian nationalism when it is misused in hockey. Nationalism has no place in the NHL. Reserve it for the Olympics and World Juniors, otherwise it serves zero purpose.

Posted by timbits on 12/17/11 at 02:36 AM ET

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I am not anti Canada, I am anti Canadian nationalism when it is misused in hockey.

In what way is it wrong for a Canadian writer, writing for a Canadian newspaper to spotlight Canadian teams?

It’s not nationalism, it’s writing to your audience.  He’s not saying Canadians are better than Americans, he’s a Canadian writing pointing out that most of the teams his readers are likely to follow have shown interest in Kyle Turris.  It’s context.  Otherwise he might as well just blindly regurgitate info in bullet point form.

Why don’t you see Canadian KK readers crying and whining every time Helene Elliott from the LA Times has an article that doesn’t spotlight PK Subban or Evander Kane?  Could it be because we understand that an LA newspaper is going to spotlight topics relevant to its LA readers?  WOW, WHAT A CONCEPT!!!!

You babies need to stop whining and crying so much.  If you don’t want to read articles that are focused on Canadian teams then don’t click on the articles coming from Canadian press.  Simple as that.

Posted by Garth on 12/17/11 at 11:55 AM ET

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It’s not nationalism, it’s writing to your audience.  He’s not saying Canadians are better than Americans, he’s a Canadian writing pointing out that most of the teams his readers are likely to follow have shown interest in Kyle Turris.  It’s context.  Otherwise he might as well just blindly regurgitate info in bullet point form.

The concept you can’t see is that hockey in spite of what the media in Canada tell ‘s you IS NOT just Canadian.  Virtually every article and opinion about hockey in Canada is formed SOLELY through the lense of Canada. By and large you do not see the American media forming opinions about baseball and basketball through an America ONLY lense. Two sports traditionally dominated by American’s but evolving into internationals sports, much like hockey. This same thing can’t be said for the Canadian media and hockey.

Take any of the major issues surrounding the sport and the Canadian media spins the issue into Canada vs everyone else. So why does the Kyle Turris article trigger this issue? It triggers the issue because he is to date, an underwhelming player that the only reason has any name recogntion is the invention in Canada of his myth.  You can say the same thing about John Tavares or more recently the passion play created by CBC for Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. I won’t dismiss these players talent, but they by no means rise to the level trumpeted up north.

So to your point, why “whine” about these stories targeted to Canada. There are several reasons, the first being Canada matters when it comes to hockey. They are the hockey super power and what they think about the game affects it world wide. That includes those of us in the US. Second, whenever the Canadian media gets on a rampage about an issue the NHL is forced to respond. This includes everything from rule changes, player drafting and development to sunbelt cities and team relocation. The last reason to call it out, is because viewing hockey only through a Canadian lense hurts the sport, it undermines the growth of the game many of us love.  While Canadians may see Canada and hockey as one in the same, the rest of us in the world do not. If the opinions about hockey and Canada stayed north of the border, I wouldn’t care, but the reality is that those opinions affect the sport I love here in the US and so I expect accountability for the opinions espoused north of the border.

Posted by timbits on 12/17/11 at 01:35 PM ET

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The concept you can’t see is that hockey in spite of what the media in Canada tell ‘s you IS NOT just Canadian.

What you can’t see is that it’s YOUR PROBLEM, NOT THEIRS.  You see it as the media saying stuff that they are not saying.

Really?  You don’t see American media talking about baseball or basketball in just American terms?  Who often does anyone talk about the Raptors unless the home team is playing against them?

Or how about “America’s Pasttime”?  No, certainly nobody is nationalistic when talking about baseball, what ever was I thinking?

Second, whenever the Canadian media gets on a rampage about an issue the NHL is forced to respond.

What does that have to do with nationalism?  Was Kyle Turris traded to Ottawa instead of Washington because of Eric Duhatschek’s article?  Did Don Maloney not realize that there were other teams interested because Eric Duhatschek only mentioned Canadian teams?

The last reason to call it out, is because viewing hockey only through a Canadian lense hurts the sport, it undermines the growth of the game many of us love.  While Canadians may see Canada and hockey as one in the same, the rest of us in the world do not. If the opinions about hockey and Canada stayed north of the border, I wouldn’t care, but the reality is that those opinions affect the sport I love here in the US and so I expect accountability for the opinions espoused north of the border.

Accountability?  WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY SHOULD BE TAKEN WHEN WRITING AN ARTICLE ABOUT WHO IS INTERESTED IN KYLE TURRIS?

God, read your response.  You are such a delusional baby.  Go tilt at some windmill that actually exists.

Maybe you can answer me this though…  I’m sitting here watching the Wings and the Kings on FSKings and there’s no mention at all of Canada.  Should I write the president of Fox Sports or the president of the United States of America to complain?

Or maybe I should write Eric Duhatschek, he seems to be the guy steering the NHL’s media ship right now, huh?

Posted by Garth on 12/17/11 at 11:08 PM ET

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