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Modano Out Indefinitely

Update 0747 PST: most common timetable out there right now is “2-3 months.”

Thanks to Mike Serven, who just posted this in the comment section below…

Via the NHL Network: Mike Modano has a cut tendon in his wrist and is out indefinitely

Nothing from the Deep Diggers, of course.  TSN’s got it.

@DarrenDreger: Red Wings confirm Modano cut a tendon in his wrist last night.

 

Defending Big D

I’ll resist the urge to suggest that karmic powers had anything to do with this.

Classy. I’ll resist the urge to suggest that Modano will be back no later than the trade deadline, also known as the date by which the Stars will have traded their franchise player.

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Mike from Austin's avatar

There it is.  Uncle Mike can sleep at night now.

Posted by Mike from Austin on 11/27/10 at 12:30 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Dreger says Wings confirm report.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/27/10 at 12:47 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Carryover from the liveblog:

Guess most viewers missed the comment of the night, courtesy of Murph, ref the St. Nick promo:

“Not to be confused with Mick’s six pack”

Posted by creasemonkey from Murph’s flask on 11/27/10 at 02:03 AM ET

That was so awesomely uncomfortable.  He went on to say something like “and it has nothing to do with game tickets” and you could almost hear him elbowing Ken Daniels in the ribs while winking and doing the “drinky drinky” hand motion.  Ken then pauses for a second and says “yeah Murph” exactly the same way my wife reacts when I tell a joke I think is funny and she rolls her eyes and looks at our daughter with eyes that say “I’m sorry he’s your father.”

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/27/10 at 01:06 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

As for Modano:  Am I a bad fan for not being broken up about this?  I mean, I don’t ever want to see a guy in a winged wheel get hurt, especially on such a freak bullshit play, but Mo was sitting just behind Hudler in the “forwards who need to do shit” department.

Ok, maybe not “just behind”, considering Mo was working harder, winning some faceoffs and starting to come around to looking dangerous, but I feel like I should feel worse about this injury and I don’t.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/27/10 at 01:09 PM ET

stonehands-78's avatar

gREAT

Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/27/10 at 01:10 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Modano had surgery this morning according to Dreger tweet.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/27/10 at 01:15 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

well balls, that answers my question.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/27/10 at 01:18 PM ET

Guilherme's avatar

Emoest injury ever.

JJ, I’m not that bummed either. Unless that’s the start of another weird stretch.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 11/27/10 at 01:25 PM ET

redxblack's avatar

I had the FS Ohio broadcast with the terrible announcers that barely acknowledged the injury at all. How did Hudler do this to MikeyMo?

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 11/27/10 at 01:45 PM ET

Nate A's avatar

Well that sucks, but not a critical loss. Abby plays 3C, Eaves and Miller both get their jobs back on the 4th line. At least until Draper decides to complicate things.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 11/27/10 at 02:09 PM ET

Red Winger's avatar

“Not to be confused with Mick’s six pack”

You could tell Murph had the one waiting. You could just picture the producers rolling their eyes.

That is almost as bad as when, a few years ago, he began laughing uncontrollably when Ken was telling the story of Ryan Smith being ran over by a truck at the Edmonton Coliseum when he was a kid.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 11/27/10 at 02:38 PM ET

Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

As for Modano:  Am I a bad fan for not being broken up about this?

No. Not one bit. I, for one, am glad that he’s out of the lineup. I never hitched my star to Mo’s bandwagon.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 11/27/10 at 02:39 PM ET

Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

“Not to be confused with Mick’s six pack”

I believe Mick has Celiac disease so, I doubt that he imbibes. Maybe back in the day though.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 11/27/10 at 02:44 PM ET

Sullyosis's avatar

Poor Mikey Mo, you guys are dicks.  I’m totally agreeing with you lot, too.  Sucks for HIM that he’s out, but I don’t really mind.  Abby Eaves and Miller all in the lineup should improve our PK.

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 11/27/10 at 03:49 PM ET

Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

Too bad They couldn’t fire Rich Rod at the Half. Bitches.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 11/27/10 at 04:24 PM ET

perfection's avatar

wow… so many of you downright giddy over the loss of our second power play point man who’s actually been playing really solid of late. you expect someone of his age who’s on a new team to take awhile to adjust and it’s been happening and happening rapidly. He looks better than he did a month ago when he looked better than he did the month before. That’s why scratching him wasn’t an option, because Babs knew that he was in month three of his six month training camp and it was a matter of time before he rounded into full-on ‘past-his-prime-hall-of-famer-rejuvinated-by-the-Wings’ mode.

Well, now he has to start again in a few months and hopefully get his groove on come playoff time. I think the team will miss him a lot and you all are kind of crazy to just decide this is ‘ok’. i mean if we lose him for a few weeks, fine, but this is a pretty big setback for someone who could be a real force in the spring. Also, while it helps out the whole ‘healthy scratch’ issue, Hudler is a huge step down from Modano right now. All things being equal on the scoring (or lack of) front, Mo is a world-class defender compared to Huds… and now Babs has lost the stick as a tool for motivating Happy. This is bad news…. I mean, it’s obviously not like losing Dats, Z, Lids, etc. of course, but I can’t relate to any of this ‘‘I’m good with this injury…” crap.   

what a fluke too. amazing more skates don’t slice up more players.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 11/27/10 at 04:40 PM ET

Osrt's avatar

“I’m sorry he’s your father.”

Posted by J.J. from Kansas

Imagine what Murph’s wife thinks.

Thanks for sharing that. I didn’t get to watch most of the game.

Consensus: Sucks that Modano is out but it’s not going to hurt our overall team that much and, in fact, may help streamline our lineup rotation problems. He was playing well but not spectacularly and held on to his sport mostly on assumption that he will get better as the year progresses.

That is still true. I think Modano will be clutch late in the season and in the playoffs. For now, he can watch games closely—you don’t become a HOF player without being a proper student of the game—and skate after the team, keeping his conditioning up and his sense of where he is supposed to be on the ice in our system.

All in all, not the worst time to get injured although the timetable is long. We have the luxury of depth and he won’t lose his core conditioning, although his arm strength will be weak.

Posted by Osrt on 11/27/10 at 05:05 PM ET

SYF's avatar

What Osrt said.  Depth is our ace and that depth is dangerous.

Posted by SYF from Twerkin' with Anastasia Ashley on 11/27/10 at 05:12 PM ET

SYF's avatar

As for the dimwitted dummies in Dullass, I hope that team moves to Winnipeg or Hamilton, Ont.  F*ck ‘em…

Posted by SYF from Twerkin' with Anastasia Ashley on 11/27/10 at 05:16 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Chelios to the KHL?

Posted by SYF from Twerkin' with Anastasia Ashley on 11/27/10 at 05:40 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

No, Chelios confirmed to the .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) and .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) that he’s not going to the KHL.  Per Khan and Sipple, Chelios’s pal, player agent Tom Reich, tossed the suggestion to him and he just checked it out the way Ken Holland knocks on every door before the trade deadline to see what players are going for.  The reality of the situation—I did quite a bit of research last night—is a bunch of malarkey.  Vityaz Chekhov got into a bunch of trouble a little while ago for one of its infamous brawls, and as the KHL’s Board of Governors are meeting right now, Andrei Nazarov, the team’s coach, floated the idea to Sport-Express’s Igor Larin, who’s the Stan Fischler of Russian hockey. 

Larin and Sport-Express ran with it and as Larin’s responsible for Nazarov having a career in coaching to begin with (he was a marginal NHL’er who Larin mythologized into a “boxer” who was in supposed fact a superstar forced to play a goon’s role by dastardly, anti-Russian-biased NHL coaches), he’s still playing it up.  Here’s the rub—Larin says that Chelios wants $45,000 a month in salary, and given that Chelios says that he’s happy here, that he wants to stay with his family (remember, Atlanta was “too far away” from his family as far as he was concerned last year) and mentor the Wings’ kids as he watches his own play hockey for MSU (the boys) and Cranbrook (his eldest daughter), Chelios himself says he’s going nowhere unless Vityaz tosses millions his way—and that’s not going to happen, regardless of how much Larin and Nazarov (who now has a weekly column penned by Larin) ham it up.

As for Modano, I also looked into the business of flexor tendon tears, and as .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) suggests, we’re looking at a recovery timeline of somewhere around two months. 

Essentially speaking, barring any significant nerve damage, the doctors stitch the tendon together and put one’s hand in a splint or cast for 4-8 weeks.  After that it takes a week or two of physical therapy to get one’s grip strength back up, and then you’re good to go.  So in a world where Modano heals like Nick Lidstrom plays through pain, he’s out of the splint at the end of December and back in the first or second week of January, in a world where everything goes wrong, he’s not back until the 1st of February, and realistically speaking, he’ll probably return somewhere around the All-Star break. 

In the interim, Justin Abdelkader’s certainly proved himself as a capable third line forward, Jiri Hudler’s got six to eight weeks to prove that the Wings shouldn’t trade him at the deadline.  Even a person as patient Ken Holland could probably tell you that while the Wings don’t exactly plan on pulling a Ville Leino on Hudler, and are still sold on his potential, if he still can’t reclaim his NHL form by the time Modano comes back, there should very rightfully be questions as to why he’s taking ice time away from Miller, Eaves and Draper, as well as preventing Cory Emmerton, Jan Mursak or Tomas Tatar from earning call-ups as the schedule gets a-game-every-other-day crazy over the next two months, especially given that Emmerton’s in an, “If he doesn’t make the team next year, he’s gotta clear waivers” situation next season and is playing damn fine hockey in GR. 

It also bears mentioning that the combination of Modano more and more probably coming back after an injury-shortened season and the Wings needing cap space to re-sign Howard (which *will* happen), never mind the 3rd-line production from Abdelkader, resurgence of a healthy Cleary and the push from the kids yield a short time frame for Hudler to stop playing like he’s on 100’ wide ice, but again, that’s a different story for a different day…

For now, Modano will be in a cast or splint and we just have to hope that he’s a fast healer.  This injury’s recovery is not all that dissimilar to that of a player who suffers a broken bone…

And it must, must, must be noted that Modano is NOT one of the many players who wears gloves extremely short cuffs.  Modano’s Warrior gloves are actually OEM copies of old Easton GX 9500’s in a 14” size; I myself wear a pair of GX 7500’s (nylon versions of the leather 9500’s) in a 14.5” size, and the cuffs go halfway up to my elbows.  The GX gloves have extremely long cuffs for their listed sizes, and they’re very protective, so Modano’s injury had nothing to do with short cuff syndrome.

It does, however, bring to the fore a question: if Reebok can spend a gabillion dollars engineering space-age jerseys, why can’t it incorporate cut-resistant fabrics (like a little Kevlar weave here and there) into its hockey socks and the sleeves of its jerseys?  Somewhere between 6 to 12 players a season suffer tendon damage or serious lacerations to their wrists or legs/thighs due to skate cuts, and at least a dozen more suffer stitch-requiring lacerations, goalies included.  When you’ve got at least a team’s worth of players going down from a specific injury every year, it’s worth addressing in terms of how equipment can better protect players (and goalies).

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/27/10 at 06:07 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Thank you, George, for putting that to rest.  Much ‘preciated.

Even a person as patient Ken Holland could probably tell you that while the Wings don’t exactly plan on pulling a Ville Leino on Hudler, and are still sold on his potential, if he still can’t reclaim his NHL form by the time Modano comes back, there should very rightfully be questions as to why he’s taking ice time away from Miller, Eaves and Draper, as well as preventing Cory Emmerton, Jan Mursak or Tomas Tatar from earning call-ups as the schedule gets a-game-every-other-day crazy over the next two months, especially given that Emmerton’s in an, “If he doesn’t make the team next year, he’s gotta clear waivers” situation next season and is playing damn fine hockey in GR.

An embarassment of riches.  I’m hearing some good things about Emmerton as well from the GR fans who were in town a couple of weeks ago.  They said the Wings should be ashamed of themselves if he gets away from their system.

Posted by SYF from Twerkin' with Anastasia Ashley on 11/27/10 at 06:29 PM ET

Osrt's avatar

It does, however, bring to the fore a question: if Reebok can spend a gabillion dollars engineering space-age jerseys, why can’t it incorporate cut-resistant fabrics (like a little Kevlar weave here and there) into its hockey socks and the sleeves of its jerseys?  Somewhere between 6 to 12 players a season suffer tendon damage or serious lacerations to their wrists or legs/thighs due to skate cuts, and at least a dozen more suffer stitch-requiring lacerations, goalies included.  When you’ve got at least a team’s worth of players going down from a specific injury every year, it’s worth addressing in terms of how equipment can better protect players (and goalies).

Posted by George Malik

I would think cost is part of the issue. Not for the teams or players who could easily swallow that, but for merchandising “authentic game replica” jerseys for the fans. They cost absurd amounts now, double what the CCM’s used to, and adding “kevlar weave”/ carbon fibere etc would double that price easily.

No reason for players or teams to incorporate extra technology into hockey socks though, especially the back of goalie legs.

Posted by Osrt on 11/27/10 at 06:37 PM ET

Baroque's avatar

They could always work on incorporating Kevlar into an undergarment worn under the jersey. More form-fitting, less likely to shift or pull out of the place it would be most protective.

Might be the weight, though. I’ve work cut-resistant gloves with Kevlar, and those mothers were pretty heavy compared to regular work gloves. They also didn’t really breathe very well.

It would take a bit of engineering and development know-how and not for something they could market to tons of fans, just to the players themselves.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 11/27/10 at 06:59 PM ET

christpuncher's avatar

““Not to be confused with Mick’s six pack”

I believe Mick has Celiac disease so, I doubt that he imbibes. Maybe back in the day though.”

The Mick does partake. My pals have seen him twice at Holiday mkt. in R.O. buying gluten free beers (on Closed Circuit TV game days).  They said he was also very “casual” with the language ; )

Love me some Mickey,    Hit meh

Posted by christpuncher from Detroit, MI on 11/27/10 at 07:40 PM ET

Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

The Mick does partake. My pals have seen him twice at Holiday mkt. in R.O. buying gluten free beers (on Closed Circuit TV game days).  They said he was also very “casual” with the language ; )

Love me some Mickey, Hit meh

Posted by christpuncher from Detroit, MI on 11/27/10 at 05:40 PM ET

He is quite a character. I had the pleasure of meeting him and Ken.Two straight up nice guys. Gluten free beer eh? I never thought aboot that. Doh!

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 11/27/10 at 08:56 PM ET

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