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GDT - Game #8:  Red Wings host Sharks (7:30)

DET (5-2-0) came out of the gate flying to a 5-0 record (18 GF, 7GA), but they have dropped their last two in uninspiring fashion.  After getting abused in DC (7-1), DET got their asses handed to them by a winless BJ team (4-1).  Its not so bothersome that the Wings have been outscored 11-2 in the past two games.  Much more troubling is DET’s lack of response after the Caps game.  You could reasonably argue that aside from Helm and Datsyuk, the CBJ outworked DET by a wide margin.  Said Babcock: It was a disappointing effort. Obviously, the preparation (from) our coaching staff, we didn’t do a good enough job. The players didn’t do a good enough job.  “No excuse for what happened tonight.”  As MO astutely pointed out in another thread, this was a theme heard entirely too often down the stretch last season.  I’ll go so far to say it is largely responsible for the coaching staff shakeup in the off-season.  Though the season is barely started, I’ll not play the David Bowie just yet - but I’m awfully tempted.  WTF? 

Meanwhile, after starting 1-3, the Sharks (4-3) appear to have righted their ship, and have won three in a row.  Jimmah is back in net. Some effort by the team in red would be nice, just saying.  LGRW.

Central Division Standings:

GP W L OTL PTS GOAL DIFF L10
1 CHI 8 5 1 2 12 +7 5-1-2
2 DET 7 5 2 0 10 +2 5-2-0
3 STL 9 5 4 0 10 +1 5-4-0
4 NSH 9 4 4 1 9 -5 4-4-1
5 CBJ 10 1 8 1 3 -11 1-8-1


Team Records:

DET:  7 GP,  5-2-0, 10 pts, (7 in Conf, 2 in Central), 20 GF, 18 GA, Last 10 5-2-0,  LOST 2

SJS:  7 GP,  4-3-0,  8 pts, (13 in Conf, 5 in Pacific), 21 GF, 17 GA, Last 10 4-3-0,  WON 3

Home/Away Record:

DET at home:  3-0-0 (8)
SJS on road:  3-1-0 (6)

Stats (rank):

DET:  .714 point% (6), 2.86 G/G (10), 2.57 GA/G (16), 1.18 5-5 F/A (10), 16.1 PP% (16), 76.9 PK% (23), 36.1 S/G (2), 27.3 SA/G (6),  48.8 FO% (21).

SJS:  .571 point% (12), 2.86 G/G (11), 2.43 GA/G (12),  1.50 5-5 F/A (2), 19.2 PP% (9), 76.0 PK% (26), 38.4 S/G (1), 24.6 SA/G (1), 53.6 FO% (3).

Goal Differential/Game:

DET = + 0.29
SJS =  +0.43

Player Stats:
DET Skaters:
GP,  G, A, PTS,  +/-,  ATOI
C Valtteri Filppula 7 2 5 7 3 16:30
C Johan Franzen 7 4 3 7 1 16:34
C Pavel Datsyuk 7 2 3 5 -2 18:34
D Nicklas Lidstrom 7 2 2 4 0 23:50
C Jiri Hudler 7 2 2 4 1 14:11
R Todd Bertuzzi 7 1 2 3 2 13:37
L Tomas Holmstrom 5 0 3 3 2 11:01
D Ian White 7 2 1 3 3 23:03
R Danny Cleary 7 0 2 2 -1 15:43
L Henrik Zetterberg 7 1 1 2 -1 19:10
D Niklas Kronwall 7 1 1 2 -2 23:18
D Jakub Kindl 7 0 2 2 3 13:37
L Justin Abdelkader 7 1 1 2 0 15:06
C Cory Emmerton 6 1 1 2 1 9:21
L Drew Miller 5 0 2 2 2 10:27
C Darren Helm 7 1 1 2 3 15:40
D Jonathan Ericsson 7 0 1 1 3 15:52
D Brad Stuart 7 0 0 0 -1 19:40
R Patrick Eaves 4 0 0 0 -2 10:57
L Fabian Brunnstrom 1 0 0 0 -1 8:09

DET Goalies:
Player GPI W L OT GAA PCT
Ty Conklin 3, 1-2-0,  3.37,  0.882
Jimmy Howard 3,  3-0-0,  1.63,  0.930

SJS Skaters:
GP,  G, A, PTS,  +/-,  ATOI
C Joe Pavelski 7 6 2 8 4 21:49
C Joe Thornton 7 1 5 6 4 21:25
L Ryane Clowe 7 2 4 6 -2 17:33
C Patrick Marleau 7 1 4 5 5 21:26
C Logan Couture 7 2 2 4 0 17:50
D Dan Boyle 7 0 3 3 2 26:15
R Martin Havlat 3 0 3 3 1 17:37
D Brent Burns 7 2 1 3 2 23:03
C Torrey Mitchell 5 0 3 3 2 11:21
C Michal Handzus 7 2 0 2 1 16:28
C Andrew Desjardins 6 2 0 2 -1 7:38
D Jason Demers 5 0 2 2 -4 16:13
D Douglas Murray 7 0 1 1 5 19:08
L Brad Winchester 7 0 1 1 -1 6:58
D Marc-Edouard Vlasic 7 1 0 1 4 21:42
L Jamie McGinn 7 0 1 1 1 10:50
R Benn Ferriero 3 1 0 1 0 11:55
C Tommy Wingels 3 0 1 1 0 13:20
D Jim Vandermeer 3 0 1 1 2 12:13
D Colin White 5 0 0 0 -2 14:06
C Andrew Murray 7 0 0 0 1 7:38
D Justin Braun 2 0 0 0 1 15:31

SJS Goalies:
Player GPI W L OT GAA PCT
Antti Niemi 4,  3-1-0,  2.22,  0.910
Thomas Greiss 3,  1-2-0,  2.36,  0.901

TSN - HOT and NOT:  

DET: Hot:
Nicklas Lidstrom (D) 3 pts in last 3 GP
Tomas Holmstrom (RW/LW) 3 pts in last 3 GP

DET: Not Hot:
Dan Cleary (LW/RW) 0 pts in last 5 GP
Jiri Hudler (LW/RW) 0 pts in last 3 GP
Ty Conklin (G) 0-2-0, 5.08, .821 in last 2 GPI

SJS: Hot:
Joe Pavelski (C/RW) 6 pts in last 3 GP
Joe Thornton (C) 5 pts in last 3 GP
Patrick Marleau (LW/C) 3 pts in last 2 GP
Logan Couture (C/LW) 3 pts in last 3 GP
Martin Havlat (RW) 3 pts in last 3 GP
Ryane Clowe (LW/RW) 5 pts in last 5 GP
Antti Niemi (G) 2-0-0, 1.50, .949 in last 2 GPI

SJS: Not Hot:
Michal Handzus (C) 0 pts in last 4 GP

Injury Report:

DET:
Mike Commodore (D) Back injury (Day to day)
Jan Mursak (RW/LW) Fractured ankle (Injured reserve)

SJS:
Antero Niittymaki (G) Hip surgery (Injured reserve)
Torrey Mitchell (W/C) Upper body injury (Day to day)
Alex Stalock (G) Left leg injury (Injured reserve)
James Sheppard (LW/C) Left knee surgery (Injured reserve)
Frazer McLaren (LW) Hip surgery (Injured reserve)

Jeff Sagarin NHL Ratings, USAToday

NHL 2010-2011 through games of 2011 OCTOBER 27 THURSDAY

HOME ADVANTAGE=  0.12   RATING   W   L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 16  

7 Detroit Red Wings     =  4.45   5   2   3.74(  28)  1   1 |  1   1
10 San Jose Sharks       =  4.30   4   3   4.03(  12)  0   2 |  2   3
—————————————————————————————————————————
Khan(!) with the Wings expected lineup:

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary
Filppula-Franzen-Hudler
Bertuzzi-Helm-Eaves
Miller-Abdelkader-Holmstrom

Lidstrom-White
Kronwall-Stuart
Ericsson-Kindl

Howard

—————————————————————————————————————————
I can’t find squat from the San Jose Mercury News on the Sharks probable lineup.  Though I confess, I wasn’t overly dilligent.

 

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Comments

stonehands-78's avatar

Thanks, Okie.

... I needed a fix ...

L.G.R.W.

Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 10/28/11 at 01:46 PM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

Great summary of where we are, Okie, thanks!

I really wanted a win against the Caps.

I expected a rebound win against the BJ’s.

Tonight, no hopes or expectations.  I’m just going to wait and see.

But, as always…

LET’S GO RED WINGS !!!!!

Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 10/28/11 at 02:07 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

I make no claim to any sort of grammatical pharmacist, but this headline from Khan(!) caught my attention:

Red Wings’ Henrik Zetterberg, Danny Cleary looking to get untracked vs. Sharks

Though, this is disturbing as well:  “. . . [DET] have notched only three even-strength goals in the past three games, including one empty-netter.”

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 10/28/11 at 02:13 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Babcock at the morning skate:

“I actually didn’t mind us in Washington at all,” Babcock said. “In the first two periods, I thought we played real well. The puck just kept going in our net. And in the third period ... we hurt ourselves. I didn’t like our game in Columbus at all. To me, we didn’t compete. We weren’t prepared to compete at the start of the game. The other team was very hungry. We gave up way too many scoring chances. We weren’t good.

“So here’s a team that we’ve played two years in a row in the playoffs. We know real well that they’re a high-end team. To me, I think it’s perfect. We’ve got to find out if we’re willing to compete at that level.”

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Cleary
Filppula-Franen-Hudler
Bertuzzi-Helm-Eaves
Miller-Abdelkader-Holmstrom

Lidstrom-White
Kronwall-Stuart
Ericsson-Kindl

Howard

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 10/28/11 at 02:16 PM ET

bezukov's avatar

Thanks Okie.

I know its early as of yet, but after last season and the past two games I am really wondering what it takes to get these guys motivated. 

Maybe they need to conference Stevie Y into the locker room before games.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 10/28/11 at 02:38 PM ET

stonehands-78's avatar

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Cleary
Filppula-Franen-Hudler
Bertuzzi-Helm-Eaves
Miller-Abdelkader-Holmstrom

Lidstrom-White
Kronwall-Stuart
Ericsson-Kindl

Howard

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 10/28/11 at 12:16 PM ET

OK, ... so what did you do with our Mule?
We need more foals.

Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 10/28/11 at 02:48 PM ET

MOWingsfan19's avatar

I am really wondering what it takes to get these guys motivated.

I was at a loss for it last year and can’t understand how this sort of complacent attitude can carry over to this year (not too mention after another early exit from the SCPO’s). Some new bodies and new coaching staff, yet the same end result… it’s very bothersome.
The sign over the locker room door reads “To those whom much is given, much is expected”... I guess the expectation for hard work and effort isn’t included.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 10/28/11 at 02:49 PM ET

WestWing's avatar

To me, I think it’s perfect. We’ve got to find out if we’re willing to compete at that level.

Wow.  A stinging indictment. 

This team needs to learn that it simply isn’t good enough in terms of talent to “just show up” and have any reasonable expectation of winning hockey games.  Let’s face it, most of their competition have had the benefit of having accumulated multiple lottery picks on their rosters over the past several years.  The only way the Wings continue to win is by virtue of the system the organization has put in place and HARD WORK. 

Very disturbing to hear the head man repeat the same refrain we’ve heard for three years now.  They’ve changed the coaching staff.  If we continue to see losses as a result of the same complacent attitude we’ve seen creeping in over the past few years, then to me it’s now on the players and eventually the next big shakeup that has to happen is the roster. 

The message I’d be sending this team is that there’s a whole of salary cap room along with some hungry young players in GR and if you’re not “willing to compete at that level” then you might wanna keep your bags packed and your phone turned on.

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 10/28/11 at 04:13 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Though the season is barely started, I’ll not play the David Bowie just yet - but I’m awfully tempted.  WTF?

Thank you, OAkie. You never disappoint.

Unlike a certain Team that needs a swift kick in the A$$. Panic in the Hasek is something I am not used to until April. I dunno what is going on with this team, and, neither does Uncle Mike.
It is all interconnected. Babs has to share in the lack of effort along with the rest of the coaching staff, and, of course, the less than Red Wings, Red Wings. Does that even make sense? Bitches?

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 10/28/11 at 04:27 PM ET

BrendonR's avatar

They just got spooked in the Washington game, specifically by Conklin’s leaky holes.

We all know that the way a team plays is usually directly related to their confidence in their goalie.  While he can’t be blamed for all of them, it’s clear Conk was the issue (and don’t forget about his stats from last year with the Bitter Bitch Blues).  Anyone who watched that game saw how they came out flying and only ended up behind at first because of Vokoun.  Next game the Wings go in, first of all against a winless BJ’s team (and one thing the DRW always do is take weaker opponents likely….I’m fine with this as long as they continue to step up their games to the next level when they face real challenges), and with Conk in net.  They were lacking the confidence to use that ‘DRW swagger’ because they were worried about one going in on Conk if they took too big a risk.

Posted by BrendonR on 10/28/11 at 05:04 PM ET

BrendonR's avatar

Sorry…should be ‘lightly’ and not ‘likely’

Posted by BrendonR on 10/28/11 at 05:06 PM ET

Avatar

They just got spooked in the Washington game, specifically by Conklin’s leaky holes.

I was as well and continue to be.

Posted by Garth on 10/28/11 at 05:15 PM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

They just got spooked in the Washington game, specifically by Conklin’s leaky holes.
We all know that the way a team plays is usually directly related to their confidence in their goalie.

Agreed.  But there are enough veteran players on this team that they should be playing better offensively no matter what.  After all, they got used to Ozzie giving up 3-4 goals per game, many early in games.  But they used to score enough goals to make up for that.

Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 10/28/11 at 05:23 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

They just got spooked in the Washington game, specifically by Conklin’s leaky holes.

I don’t buy that , not even for one minute.  There were 3 goals by deflection, and 2 more where he was completely screened, and yes..our players helped completely screen the shots.

It could be you guys need to watch the replays instead of admiring your prose during a game.

2 measly goals in 2 games (and one of them a gimme by 5 on 3), and you’re all calling for Conk’s head on a platter….....WTF

Montreal took the Bruins to the woodshed last night after Carey Price gave up the worst goal you will see all season..
Edmonton ended the Caps undefeated streak last night.
Los Angeles (last Sat.) is the only team to win anything in a week by scoring only one goal in a game.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 10/28/11 at 06:24 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

It could be you guys need to watch the replays instead of admiring your prose during a game.

I watch the replays a lot, Gramps.  Conks played like garbage in Washington.

Which three were deflections?  There was the Backstrom tip, absolutely.  Show me an angle on any of the other six.  Mike Green’s first goal was screened, but he let it in near-side and low. The 2nd goal, he got caught guessing and challenged a shot that wasn’t there, getting deked by the ever-dangerous Marcus Johansen.  Goal #3 was a screen and a hell of a shot. that one’s definitely not on Conklin.

I think you’re incredibly confused about goal #4.  There was no screen and no tip from the point. He simply failed to hold that puck and Perreault poked it in behind him.

#5 was a cross-crease tip caused by Stuart getting walked and Kronner getting turned around.

#6 was non-screened and non-tipped from the low slot on a terrible faceoff play.

#7 was definitely a tip-in.

I counted 2 screens (1 of which he left a part of the ice open he should not have anyway) and 1 deflection.

The entire team struggles through two straight games and you change the subject to take a completely fair level of criticism off Conklin…... WTF

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/28/11 at 06:50 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

The entire team struggles through two straight games and you change the subject to take a completely fair level of criticism off Conklin…... WTF
Posted by J.J. from Kansas

2 measly goals in 2 games.

You just described 3 goals by tip in or deflection and a screen.  How many points do the Wings get if they only lose by 4-1…?

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 10/28/11 at 07:00 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

You just described 3 goals by tip in or deflection and a screen.

Three goals is not five goals. But yes, I’m happy to honestly discuss that three goals were scored that way. I’m happy to say that I don’t blame Conklin for four of the goals that were scored on him in Washington.  I’m also willing to admit that the Red Wings would have lost 4-1 if all other things were equal and Conklin hadn’t shat the bed.

... but that’s not how the game went. Of those four goals I don’t blame on Conklin, only one of them was scored before the third period.

I’m saying that it’s perfectly acceptable to call out Conklin AND the team in front of him.  Perhaps if you spent more time reading these people’s prose instead of miscounting events in replays, you’d have gathered that.

For what it’s worth, the fourth goal is the one I’m angry about. The Wings were down by two goals and were carrying momentum into the end of the 2nd period. They may not have been able to catch up in the third, but that goal he allowed on a rebound off an unscreened and untipped shot from the point felt incredibly deflating.  I don’t know what happens if he stops that and Detroit comes out in the third with something to work off of rather than all the confidence you can get having seen your goalie give up what I’m hoping is going to be the softest goal against all season.

Then, In Columbus, while the team got solidly outworked for all three periods, Conklin didn’t help things with how shaky he was early. I thought he buttoned down very well in the late periods and prevented the game that probably should have been 7-1 from actually reaching that score, but the point remains: Conklin deserves his share of the blame, just like everybody.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 10/28/11 at 07:09 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

Not me,
I’m giving Conklin a pass as a victim of circumstances,

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 10/28/11 at 07:29 PM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

For what it’s worth, the fourth goal is the one I’m angry about. The Wings were down by two goals and were carrying momentum into the end of the 2nd period. They may not have been able to catch up in the third, but that goal he allowed on a rebound off an unscreened and untipped shot from the point felt incredibly deflating.

This.

Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 10/28/11 at 09:15 PM ET

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