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GDT - Game #20:  Red Wings host Flames (7:00)

DET (11-7-1) Coach Babcock’s musings at the quarter pole:  “The things I really like about our team is we get lots of rubber to the net, we seem to be on offense a lot. We give up very little. I think we got the biggest (shots) differential in the league. I really like that about us.”  DET lead the league in S/G at 35.2, and are third in SA/G at 26.9.  The Wings even-strength play is outstanding at 1.46 5-5 F/A.  Special teams are unmentionable, but Babcock has confidence:  “Any time you change some things and bring different people, it’s going to take you some time.  But I think we’re set up to have a real good next 20 games in those two areas.”

CGY (8-10-1, 13 in WC) Flame fan is seeing blood on the Red Mile. Coach Brent Sutter pulled no punches after a 4-1 loss at CBJ Monday night:  “You know what, guys, it’s so noticeable, it’s scary.“It’s like a bad disease that you have to try to fight off and get through and get a cure and get going. The individual has to take responsibility and say, ‘This isn’t good enough. It’s not acceptable.’ Yet, the only measure you have is through play.”

CGY cannot score (2.21 G/G, 27), their 13.6 PP% (24) is even more inept than DET (16.7%), they don’t shoot the puck (27.4 S/G, 24), and are dead-last in faceoff %.  Jarome Iginla has one point and minus-9 over the past six dates; minus-12 on the season.

Paging Admiral Ackbar.

At the quarter-pole, last game prior to Thanksgiving.  DET (11-7-1, 23 pts) own 8th spot in the WC.

For a mind-numbing reality check on parity; MIN are 1st in the WC with 27 pts (20 GP), 9th spot is held by PHX 23 pts (19 GP).

LGRW.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Central Division Standings:

GP W L OTL PTS GOAL DIFF  
1 CHI 21 12 6 3 27
2 NSH 20 10 6 4 24
3 DET 19 11 7 1 23
4 STL 20 10 8 2 22
5 CBJ 20 5 13 2 12

Team Records:

DET:  19 GP,  11-7-1, 23 pts, (8 in Conf, 3 in Central), 53 GF, 43 GA, Last 10 6-3-1, WON 2

CGY:  19 GP,  8-10-1,  17 pts, (13 in Conf, 5 in Northwest), 42 GF, 51 GA, Last 10 4-6-0,  LOST 1

Home/Away Record:

DET at home:  7-2-1 (3)
CGY on road:  4-5-0 (21)

Stats (rank):

DET:  .605 point% (10), 2.79 G/G (13), 2.26 GA/G (5), 1.46 5-5 F/A (4), 16.7 PP% (16), 79.4 PK% (22), 35.2 S/G (1), 26.9 SA/G (3),  50.0 FO% (17).

CGY:  .447 point% (26), 2.21 G/G (27), 2.68 GA/G (15),  0.97 5-5 F/A (20), 13.6 PP% (24), 82.4 PK% (15), 27.4 S/G (24), 30.7 SA/G (18), 45.2 FO% (30).

Goal Differential/Game:

DET = +0.53
CGY =  -0.47

Player Stats:
DET Skaters:
GP,  G, A, PTS,  +/-,  ATOI
C Johan Franzen 19 10 10 20 8 17:05
C Pavel Datsyuk 19 4 11 15 0 19:21
D Nicklas Lidstrom 19 6 8 14 6 24:05
C Valtteri Filppula 19 3 11 14 7 16:40
D Niklas Kronwall 19 6 4 10 2 23:06
L Henrik Zetterberg 19 4 5 9 1 19:21
C Jiri Hudler 18 2 6 8 1 13:26
L Tomas Holmstrom 17 1 6 7 1 12:54
D Ian White 15 3 4 7 8 22:44
R Danny Cleary 19 3 3 6 -2 17:01
L Drew Miller 17 2 4 6 7 10:33
L Justin Abdelkader 19 2 3 5 2 13:42
D Brad Stuart 19 3 1 4 3 20:24
R Todd Bertuzzi 13 1 2 3 1 13:32
D Jakub Kindl 17 0 3 3 1 13:23
C Darren Helm 19 2 1 3 1 14:54
D Jonathan Ericsson 19 0 2 2 4 16:28
C Cory Emmerton 16 1 1 2 4 8:44
D Brendan Smith 3 0 2 2 -1 14:54
R Patrick Eaves 9 0 1 1 0 10:53
L Fabian Brunnstrom 4 0 1 1 -2 9:21
D Mike Commodore 3 0 0 0 0 10:14
C Gustav Nyquist 1 0 0 0 0 11:07

DET Goalies:
Player GPI W L OT GAA PCT
Ty Conklin 4, 1-2-0,  3.30,  0.880
Jimmy Howard 16,  10-5-1, 1.85,  0.930 #4 in GAA, #3 in wins, #1 in shutouts

CGY Skaters:
GP,  G, A, PTS,  +/-,  ATOI
L Alex Tanguay 19 3 11 14 -7 18:20
C Olli Jokinen 19 4 8 12 -4 18:03
L Curtis Glencross 18 7 5 12 -3 17:52
R Jarome Iginla 19 5 4 9 -12 19:55
R Lee Stempniak 19 4 4 8 1 15:56
D Mark Giordano 19 3 4 7 -4 23:03
R Rene Bourque 19 6 1 7 -1 17:41
L Roman Horak 17 2 5 7 5 13:04
D Jay Bouwmeester 19 1 5 6 -5 24:31
R Tom Kostopoulos 18 2 3 5 1 10:53
R David Moss 15 1 4 5 1 13:52
D Scott Hannan 19 1 4 5 0 19:34
D Chris Butler 19 0 3 3 -4 20:38
D Anton Babchuk 8 0 3 3 1 13:10
C Matt Stajan 15 0 3 3 -2 11:20
C Paul Byron 5 2 0 2 4 10:06
R Tim Jackman 19 0 2 2 -3 9:07
D Cory Sarich 14 0 1 1 1 13:33
D Derek Smith 13 0 1 1 1 14:05
D TJ Brodie 5 0 1 1 1 14:13
C Brendan Morrison 8 0 0 0 0 15:15
R Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond 3 0 0 0 1 4:51
C Mikael Backlund 5 0 0 0 -6 16:12

CGY Goalies:
Miikka Kiprusoff 15,  8-7-0,  2.34,  0.923
Henrik Karlsson 5,  0-3-1,  2.95,  0.907

TSN - HOT and NOT: 

DET: Hot:
Brendan Smith (D) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Niklas Kronwall (D) 3 pts in last 3 GP
Brad Stuart (D) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Nicklas Lidstrom (D) 7 pts in last 8 GP
Johan Franzen (LW/RW) 4 pts in last 2 GP
Pavel Datsyuk (C/LW) 4 pts in last 2 GP
Henrik Zetterberg (C/LW) 3 pts in last 3 GP
Tomas Holmstrom (RW/LW) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Jimmy Howard (G) 2-0-0, 1.51, .948 in last 2 GPI

DET: Not Hot:
Jiri Hudler (LW/RW) 1 pts in last 4 GP
Ty Conklin (G) 0-2-0, 4.78, .825 in last 3 GPI

CGY: Hot:
Curtis Glencross (LW) 3 pts in last 2 GP
Rene Bourque (LW/RW) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Alex Tanguay (LW/RW) 2 pts in last 2 GP
Olli Jokinen (C) 2 pts in last 2 GP

CGY: Not Hot:
Chris Butler (D) 0 pts in last 9 GP
Jarome Iginla (RW) 0 pts in last 3 GP

Injury Report:

DET:
Ian White (D) Cheekbone injury (Injured reserve)
Jan Mursak (RW/LW) Fractured ankle (Injured reserve)

CGY:
Brendan Morrison (C/W) Knee surgery (Day to day)
David Moss (W/C) Lower body injury (Injured reserve)
Anton Babchuk (D) Hand injury (Injured reserve)
Brett Carson (D) Back injury (Injured reserve)

Jeff Sagarin NHL Ratings, USAToday

NHL 2010-2011 through games of 2011 NOVEMBER 22 TUESDAY

HOME ADVANTAGE=  0.29   RATING   W   L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 16  

4 Detroit Red Wings     =  4.45   11   8   3.94(  21)  2   5 |  4   6
25 Calgary Flames       =  3.53   8 11   4.01(  16)  2   3 |  3   5
———————————————————————————————————————————
Fabian Brunnstrom assigned to GR.

Ian White playing tonight.

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Comments

42jeff's avatar

we get lots of rubber to the net

That’s the problem…they’re only getting TO the net.

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 11/23/11 at 12:34 PM ET

bezukov's avatar

That’s the problem…they’re only getting TO the net.

Posted by 42jeff from Minot, North Dakota on 11/23/11 at 09:34 AM ET

Kipper needs to see lots of Homer’s arse, and a few others.

Thanks for the update Okie.  Happy (American) Thanksgiving to everyone!

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 11/23/11 at 01:05 PM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

Thanks, Okie.  Babcock also talked about parity in that presser yesterday - said “that’s what they (the League) wanted and that’s what they got.”  He said it’s the most parity he’s ever seen in the League and he “liked it better when we were better than everybody else.” 

Parity is, IMO, a huge factor this season.  Look at the standings - it’s crazy.  And like Babcock said, a team can be way up for a couple of games and then suddenly way down. 

His prescription?  Just have to outwork the other team.  The Wings are starting to get this, I think. 

And I am not one who thinks Babcock has “lost the room.”  A good manager knows when to lead and when to trust talented people to get the job done.  The Wings know what to do.  They just have to decide to do it.  I saw that determination in the third period of the game against the DuhUcks.  If they realize they have to be that relentless every game, they’ll be fine.

HAPPY (AMERICAN) THANKSGIVING ALL AND LET’S GO RED WINGS !!!!!

Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 11/23/11 at 01:11 PM ET

stonehands-78's avatar

Thanks, Okie.

this:

And I am not one who thinks Babcock has “lost the room.”  A good manager knows when to lead and when to trust talented people to get the job done.  The Wings know what to do.  They just have to decide to do it.  I saw that determination in the third period of the game against the DuhUcks.  If they realize they have to be that relentless every game, they’ll be fine.

and this:

HAPPY (AMERICAN) THANKSGIVING ALL AND LET’S GO RED WINGS !!!!!

from:

Posted by MsRedWinger from Florida, but wishin’ I was back in the Mitten. on 11/23/11 at 10:11 AM ET

I’m looking for a solid “W” tonight.

L.G.R.W.

Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/23/11 at 01:45 PM ET

hockeychic's avatar

Happy American Thanksgiving, 19!

Let’s go Red Wings!!  A nice beatdown of the Flames tonight is just what the doctor ordered.

Posted by hockeychic from Denver, CO on 11/23/11 at 01:46 PM ET

Rumbear's avatar

Thanks Oakie!!

Happy Thanksgiving to the 19 of ya!!!

Posted by Rumbear from Top O the Hasek, fanning the flames, with rum..... on 11/23/11 at 01:52 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

Babcock hasn’t sold me anything so far with his comments.  The Anaheim game was the giveaway that Detroit will continue mediocre play this season.  Yes, it was the 3rd game in 4 days on the road, but the Ducks are this season’s W/C doormat.  The Wings tried to hold onto a 1 goal lead the entire 3rd period, falling back to a 1-2-2 and 1-3-1 defense time after time, allowing way too many SOG.
One forward skating around waving his stick at the opposition is not a forecheck, and you are giving the opponents 1/2 the ice surface to set up, and continuously chasing puck carriers in your own end leads to penalties.
Howard saved their asses that game, but you can’t expect any goalie to do that game after game after game.

Thanks again for the pre-games, Jeff and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/23/11 at 01:56 PM ET

AndrewFromAnnArbor's avatar

So who wants to trade for Iginla now?

So odd to see Smith on the Hot list in his NHL debut.  Whatta helluva pick by the Braintrust.

I’m starting to think Uncle Mike never had the room in the first place, and the team runs on its own motor.  With so many veteran players, you’ve gotta believe some of ‘em serve as coach/player.  This team seems to go its own way, win or lose, regardless of what Babcock says and does.  He may just be along for the ride, the ultimate ‘passenger.’

And lastly, I’d like to share my favourite Wildcat post in regards to the new hiring:
“It’s okay Tucson, you can put away your pitchforks and torches, Rodriguez’s heritage is from Spain.”

Being a Spanish speaker, and knowing many Spaniards, and knowing many Latinos, I’m not so sure that that’s a good thing.

Great work as always, Okie.  Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 11/23/11 at 01:58 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Ruh roh, both Disco Stu and Mule are banged up.

Stuart and Johan Franzen didn’t skate this morning due to undisclosed injuries. Coach Mike Babcock said Franzen will be a game-time decision and that Patrick Eaves will be inserted into the lineup if Franzen can’t play.

Franzen, however, said he definitely will play, despite a lower-body injury.

If Stuart can’t play, Brendan Smith will replace him in the lineup. If Stuart plays, Smith will be sent down to the Grand Rapids Griffins.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 11/23/11 at 02:39 PM ET

Sullyosis's avatar

Being a Spanish speaker, and knowing many Spaniards, and knowing many Latinos, I’m not so sure that that’s a good thing.
Great work as always, Okie.  Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 11/23/11 at 10:58 AM ET

Right, it’s funny on many levels. As a Southern US hispanic, we hate the Spaniards. Lousy rapists.

But Tucson is a hot spot for racial integration and we seem to have the reputation in the state as being on the “battle lines” of the border situation, even though we are an hour or two from it. Either way, I love and miss Tucson and think Rich Rod will do well here.

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 11/23/11 at 04:15 PM ET

HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

Nailed it HTT.. I’ve been banging my head about the same thing.. one player waving a stick circling in front of the puck carrier isn’t a forecheck.. a forecheck actually TRIES to force a turnover.. not just due dilligence of sending someone in to go through the motions.  Helm is about our only forechecker.. even Abby has developed a tendancy to do the Bertuzzi-Forecheck, which is the new Wings standard of skating past the opp waving your stick and sail right on by them.. do a large circle and repeat..

it looks pathetic.  You’d think with the greatest defenseman ever, we’d have the luxury of being aggressive on the forecheck.  But that’d require us to man-up too and our guys don’t like to upset anyone.. especially the other team.. true gentlemen(s/c)

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 11/23/11 at 04:27 PM ET

WingsFanInBeanLand's avatar

Holy crap a game day thread.  And it’s for the Wings to boot.

I was worried for a few days that there would be no more Wings games since the league tuned into the NCL.

I’m dreading the game on NBC on Friday.  Since it’s the first one they are broadcasting you know it’s going to be nothing but Crosby, pre-game, during-game play, and during the Crosby Hut intermission report.

Great job OkieJeff.

LGRW

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 11/23/11 at 04:35 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Great GDT, Jeff.

CGY cannot score (2.21 G/G, 27), their 13.6 PP% (24) is even more inept than DET (16.7%), they don’t shoot the puck (27.4 S/G, 24), and are dead-last in faceoff %.  Jarome Iginla has one point and minus-9 over the past six dates; minus-12 on the season.

Paging Admiral Ackbar.

Exactly.  This game scares the ever-living shit outta me.

Posted by SYF from hatrick's "...broken bone bone..." on 11/23/11 at 04:39 PM ET

Forlorn in VA's avatar

Thanks Okie! 

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Lidstrom’s head telling him 1 more year on 11/23/11 at 01:35 PM ET

You had to remind me that the game Friday is on NBC.  FML.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/23/11 at 04:49 PM ET

Chris in A^2's avatar

Nailed it HTT.. I’ve been banging my head about the same thing.. one player waving a stick circling in front of the puck carrier isn’t a forecheck.. a forecheck actually TRIES to force a turnover..

I agree, but in general they’ve stayed away from that this year.  Hopefully that was an artifact of a back to back game.

Posted by Chris in A^2 from Nyquist Puck Control on 11/23/11 at 04:50 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

Exactly.  This game scares the ever-living shit outta me.
Posted by SYF from a Wings dressing room that’s going south

Yup, seems like I’ve seen this movie before…
First home game after a left coast trip
against a team desperate to see any light (even a candle) at the end of the tunnel..

Wondering if Mr D rewrote the script for Groundhog Day into a hockey movie..
Maybe trying to sell it to HBO.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/23/11 at 04:52 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

I

agree, but in general they’ve stayed away from that this year.  Hopefully that was an artifact of a back to back game.
Posted by Chris in A^2

You haven’t seen it much this year because they haven’t been leading in the 3rd much this year,
remember 6 goals in 6 games.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/23/11 at 04:56 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 11/23/11 at 01:27 PM ET

Apparently we forget that both goals #2 and 3 are directly attributable to the neutral zone defense the Wings played on Sunday and the transition which resulted?

Or that zero of Anaheim’s goals came against that particular defensive setup?

If you want to know how to give up goals to an Anaheim team struggling to score them, stretch your defense north-south and let a blueline corps that is missing their one true puck-mover (Lubomir Fishnazi) get out of their own zone with area passes that give them 3-on-3 numbers.

Also, do that when you’re playing your third in four nights against a desperate team who would just love to have the tempo turned up to 11.

Babcock completely showerfucked the St. Louis game with his lack of proper adjustments, but he planned and the team executed well against the Ducks.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/23/11 at 05:27 PM ET

Sullyosis's avatar

Fishnazi

Nice.

I also see no problem with our forecheck this year. It has actually got us quite a lot of offensive production, including pretty much all of our third/fourth line goals which, although not plentiful, are helpful at least.

And when we revert to a single forechecker I just consider it as a non-forechecking prevent defense. And I think we failed to protect leads playing that way in the past, but I feel a hell of a lot safer with a 1-goal lead going into the third this season than I did the previous 3.

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 11/23/11 at 05:52 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

Babcock completely showerfucked the St. Louis game with his lack of proper adjustments, but he planned and the team executed well against the Ducks.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas

Let’s just forget about Howards outstanding play and the fact that
one lucky bounce in the Ducks 34 SOG would have changed the game.
Just give all the credit to Babcock.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/23/11 at 05:55 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US

Anaheim had 15 of its 34 shots on goal in the final 20 minutes.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/23/11 at 06:02 PM ET

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Anaheim had 15 of its 34 shots on goal in the final 20 minutes.

Anaheim had 0 of its 2 goals in the final 20 minutes.

Posted by Garth on 11/23/11 at 06:16 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Just give all the credit to Babcock.

No.

but he planned and the team executed well against the Ducks.

You make it sound like one lucky bounce wouldn’t change just any hockey game.  One lucky bounce turns it into a 7-2 Red Wings rout on the quantum timeline where you’re only looking below the x-axis.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/23/11 at 06:40 PM ET

AndrewFromAnnArbor's avatar

a Southern US hispanic, we hate the Spaniards. Lousy rapists.

Lemme get this straight—your name is Brendan Sullivan, and you’re HISPANIC?  Wow.  I knew “Fiesta” was on of The Pogues’ biggest hits, but this a whole new level.

And not having a drop of Hispanic or Old-World Spanish blood in me, I don’t really view it in the ‘colonial’ manner.  For me it’s on a much more personal level.  To quote Westley in The Princess Bride, I’ve known too many Spaniards.

In any case, I’ve liked Tucson from the two very short passings I’ve had through there, but to me, border country is somewhere else and is the seat of a much more ancient and deep-seated enmity.  Just make sure RichRod doesn’t promise your Wildcats too much—I really think that was his cardinal sin at U of M.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 11/23/11 at 07:19 PM ET

monkey's avatar

Lemme get this straight—your name is Brendan Sullivan, and you’re HISPANIC?  Wow.  I knew “Fiesta” was on of The Pogues’ biggest hits, but this a whole new level.

I thought his name was Steve Smith.

Posted by monkey from Prague on 11/23/11 at 07:35 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Thanks OAkie.

Happy American Thanksgiving to the 19 and all their families.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 11/23/11 at 09:46 PM ET

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