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from Scott Burnside of ESPN,
If there will be endless debate about Chris Osgood’s status as a Hall of Famer, fellow goalie Curtis Joseph likely is on the flip side of the coin. While Joseph is generally accepted to have been a "better" goaltender -- more agile, more athletic, certainly possessing a higher profile -- he did not have the personal or team success of many of his peers, including Osgood, which makes the debate over his case for Hall of Fame worthiness among the more difficult to reconcile.
The Case For
Sure, you can make numbers say pretty much whatever you want, but Joseph's numbers don’t lie regardless of the prism through which they’re viewed. He won 454 games in the NHL, and only the incomparable Martin Brodeur, Patrick Roy and Ed Belfour won more. At No. 4 overall on the all-time wins list, it is almost a given that he should be in the Hall of Fame. The six of the next seven goaltenders in the all-time list who are eligible for the Hall of Fame are in, and Osgood is the other.
The Toronto Sun's Steve Simmons discusses a multitude of topics in his Sunday column, but this one struck me as most pertinent given the fact that player development continues to evolve into a more systematic and borderline scientific practice in every "skater" position, but not in goal:
When the Maple Leafs selected Mikael Tellqvist with the 70th pick in the 2000 NHL Draft, not only did they believe they were getting the best young goaltender in Sweden, but they thought they were getting the most NHL-ready goalie.
They were correct about Tellqvist — he played his first game for the Leafs in the 2002-03 season, three years before the best goalie from that class would emerge. That goalie’s name: Henrik Lundqvist.
Lundqvist was the 22nd goalie chosen that year, the third Swede taken: Rick DiPietro was the first pick of that draft and a goalie named Brent Krahn went in the first round to Calgary as well. Krahn went on to play one period of NHL hockey and it wasn’t for the Flames.
Lundqvist has grown into a generational goaltender and the lesson about scouting goaltenders is clear — nobody really knows.
Ed Belfour and Curtis Joseph were never drafted. The Flames once traded up to get Trevor Kidd when Martin Brodeur was available. Craig Billington and Daryl Reaugh were taken ahead of Patrick Roy in 1984.
And the goalie selected just before Jonathan Quick was taken by Los Angeles: Kristofer Westblom? He spent this season stopping pucks for the Brampton Beast.
Sportsnet's Hockey Central at Noon broadcast today from Comerica Park in Detroit.
Curtis Joseph joined them for a segment and talked Wings/Leafs including a little Holland jab and says Holmstrom is the "biggest pain in the butt" he has ever played against.
from Doug Graham of the Whig-Standard,
The Kingston Frontenacs are bringing in a one-two goaltending coaching tandem with a familiar National Hockey League ring.
Curtis Joseph, who retired in 2010 after amassing 454 victories, the fourth most in NHL history, has been hired by general manager Doug Gilmour.
Coming with the man dubbed Cujo, whose goals-against average in his four seasons with the Toronto Maple Leafs, is David Franco, who has coached goaltenders for more than 20 years.
“This is a chance to add two very respect-e d quality individuals and coaches to our hockey staff. They will be great additions,” general manager Doug Gilmour said in a statement.
Watch the press conference below, scheduled to begin at 12:30pm ET.
via Pierre LeBrun of ESPN, Curtis Joseph, fourth all-time in wins by a goaltender, will announce his retirement at a news conference Tuesday at the Air Canada Center in Toronto, a source told ESPN.com on Saturday.
The 42-year-old Joseph last played last season with the Toronto Maple Leafs, backing up Vesa Toskala.
The Toronto Maple Leafs will not bring Curtis Joseph back for the 2009-10 season, reports the Toronto Sun.
General manager Brian Burke told the newspaper the Maple Leafs will look for another option as their backup goaltender in the coming season.
“Great service as a Leaf,” Burke told the Sun on Monday. “But we are moving on.”
*Original report from the Toronto Sun is here
From Mike Zeisberger in the Toronto Sun:
Curtis Joseph has put any potential retirement plans on hold.
Buoyed by his improved play of late, the veteran goaltender said he would like to continue strapping on the pads in the NHL next season.
“No question, I still want to play,” Joseph said after the Maple Leafs had completed their noontime practice at the BankAtlantic Center today.
“It’s easier to retire when you don’t feel good. That was the case earlier in the season. But I’m having fun now. I’m really enjoying the game.”
from Jason Kay of the Hockey News,
If Curtis Joseph’s NHL career indeed comes to an end at the conclusion of this season, he’ll retire with the fourth-most goalie wins of all-time and a giant question begging to be answered: has he done enough to be inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame?
Most people I talk to instinctively say no. He was a very good goalie, who wove an excellent 19-year tapestry – at times he was stellar – but didn’t set himself apart enough to become an Honored Member. He never won a Stanley Cup or appeared in a final, never earned a post-season all-star berth, never captured a Vezina Trophy.
from Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star,
In any case, it was a little bit of retro Leafs feeling in the building, with 19,000 fans chanting “Cu-Jo, Cu-Jo” in the second period as he withstood a barrage of Thrasher shots on back-to-back power plays, preserving a 2-2 tie. He was named the game’s first star and when he skated on to the ice, the love-in started up again.
“You block out the negative stuff, but you hear the good stuff,” Joseph said. “It’s a great feeling. They want you to do well for sure. This is my dream job and sometimes you don’t realize it till you’re gone.”
It’s funny he should say that. Was last night the beginning of an unofficial and brief farewell tour – without the parting gifts – for the popular 41-year-old?
Think about the unusual Leafs decision to start Joseph at all in the midst of a three-game losing skid and then announce in advance that he would also start versus the Sabres. It was a head-scratcher for many.
From TSN (link not yet available):
The Toronto Maple Leafs have signed defenceman Jeff Finger to a four-year deal worth $3.5 million a season, and goaltender Curtis Joseph to a one-year, $700,000 contract. Details to follow.
Update 3:34pm ET: TSN link.
from the Calgary Herald,
As was the norm in those days, the clunkiest skater on the squad was handed lumpy leather pads, a battered blocker and a tattered trapper, and pointed toward the net.
“I had a passion to score goals,” said Joseph, “but I wanted to be on the team also. So there was a little give and take there.”
Give and take as in Joseph gave up on his dream of being a scorer and took the opening given him. Progress was slow for the neophyte netminder.
from George Johnson at ESPN,
The joker in the deck, however, is how incumbent Miikka Kiprusoff, the silent Finn, will react to the support (threat?) posed by a goalie who, although 40 and well past his peak, has still won 446 regular-season NHL games and himself been feted as a Vezina Trophy finalist.
The Flames can argue until they’re blue in the face that Joseph’s arrival means a fresher, more motivated Kipper, that he will embrace the competition and chance to swap stories and secrets with a fellow lodge brother.
Nobody’s trying to turn this into a goaltending controversy, but Kiprusoff could easily interpret the signing as a lack of faith, a kind of betrayal.
At around 1pm ET, the Fan590 show Hockey Central reported that Curtis Joseph has been signed as a Calgary Flame.
This has been repeated by EJ Hradek on NHL Live.
Update 1:35pm ET: From Hradek (1:26pm ET) on ESPN,
Sources told ESPN The Magazine’s E.J. Hradek that the veteran goaltender has signed a deal with the Calgary Flames. Details surrounding the deal were not disclosed.
Update 1:44pm ET: As of 1:41pm ET, Darren Dreger at TSN says decision not yet final,
Calgary appears to be the likely destination, but discussions with the Rangers are still taking place.
Update 2:01pm ET: Sportsnet.ca confirms Cujo’s signing with Calgary by their own sources.
Update3:24pm ET: From John Dellapina a Blueshirts Blog (NY Daily News),
Curtis Joseph is not signing with the Rangers. While Glen Sather checked on Cujo while talking about a new contract for Henrik Lundqvist over the weekend with agent Don Meehan, the Rangers weren’t as ready to commit as Calgary. By all accounts, the Rangers did not make an offer, leaving Joseph to back up Miikka Kiprusoff rather than Lundqvist the rest of this season.
Update 3:39pm ET: With the headline “Joseph Chooses Flames over Rangers”, TSN comments,
Looking to take the work load off Miikka Kirpusoff for the stretch run, the Calgary Flames have veteran goaltender Curtis Joseph for the remainder of the season.
Update 4:07pm ET: From Eric Duhatschek at the Globe & Mail,
Curtis Joseph sits there, on the unemployment line for the better part of half an NHL season, with no real interest in his services. Then he goes overseas to play for Canada in the Spengler Cup, and suddenly, there is a bidding war for his services. In the end, Joseph opted to sign with the Calgary Flames, a team desperately in need of an experienced back-up goaltender, choosing their overture over ones made by among others, the New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs and San Jose Sharks.
Update 5:12pm ET: Salary update from TSN,
...the Calgary Flames have signed goaltender Curtis Joseph to a one-year, $1.5 million contract. With half of the season gone, he’ll earn about $650,000 for the rest of the year.
via Working the Corners at the Mercury News,
I nosed around a little this morning and found this out : The Sharks did have conversations at one point with Cujo’s agent. But that was as they were getting ready to place backup Dimitri Patzold on waivers in order to send him to the minors and bring up Thomas Greiss. Once Patzold cleared waivers and the Sharks knew their goalie stable was still full, the talks ended. Had the Sharks lost Patzold to another team, those Cujo conversations might still be ongoing.
Coach Ron Wilson even joked about the Cujo rumors in talking with reporters — including the Toronto media entourage — at this morning’s skate.
“If Cujo comes and wants to sit on the bench for 40 games, he can come,” Wilson said, expressing further confidence in Evgeni Nabokov’s ability to carry a heavy load. “I don’t think that’s what he wants.”
added 6:14pm, from Darren Dreger of TSN,
Sources tell TSN both the Toronto Maple Leafs and New York Rangers have made last minute inquiries into Curtis Joseph’s plan to return to the NHL.
New York’s Henrik Lundqvist allowed six goals on 18 shots in a 6-2 Rangers loss to Philadelphia on Thursday.
Lundqvist has struggled of late going 2-5-2 in his last nine games after impressively recording six shutouts in his first 29 games.
Toronto’s interest may speak to the uncertainty of Vesa Toskala’s health, or the potential of a Raycroft trade that would make room for Joseph’s veteran presence.
from Darren Dreger of TSN,
Interest from at least five teams is believed to have been narrowed to two with Curtis Joseph contemplating the resumption of his NHL career in either San Jose or Calgary.
Sources tell TSN both the Flames and Sharks are keenly interested in bringing the 40 year old goaltender on board, with Joseph expected to make his decision this weekend, if not sooner, perhaps as early as today.
from Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun,
Funny how their careers have been intertwined, Joseph and Belfour. Two people, two goalies, who couldn’t have been more different in both style and substance.
One was technical, the other athletic. One was grumpy, the other friendly. One was a workout freak, the other, not so much.
And neither was considered a prospect when they were young. Both went undrafted more than once. Both spent one year playing U.S. college hockey. Both went from college to the now defunct International Hockey League. Both arrived as backups in the NHL.
Both have earned more than $50 million in what for Belfour is a certain Hall of Fame career and for Joseph one that is certainly worthy of consideration.