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Your Shane Doan Offers?

Let’s assume on Monday Shane Doan decides he will start accepting offers from other teams besides the Coyotes.

You as GM of your team has to decide what to offer Doan.

Doan will be 36 on October 10th and was paid $4.55M per year the last five years (CapGeek).

So with that in mind, make your offer for Doan.

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Thunderpriest's avatar

I’d personally rather have Semin than Doan. Much more upside, but more of a risk.
I don’t know who we’d trade in order to get a defenseman, so I will simply fill out the forwards with what we have now + Semin:

Semin, Datsyuk, Nyquist (he played really well with Pavel last year)
Zetterberg, Filppula, Franzen
Samuelsson, Abdelkader, Bertuzzi
Tootoo, Helm, Eaves
Miller

Mursak & Emmerton could be trade bait…..

Posted by Thunderpriest on 07/06/12 at 03:25 PM ET

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Hmmm….forgot about Brunner
I wonder if he is truly a top 6 on this team.
It will be interesting to see him play.

Posted by Thunderpriest on 07/06/12 at 03:34 PM ET

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Wow…and Cleary, too.
Where is my head today?

Posted by Thunderpriest on 07/06/12 at 03:36 PM ET

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And honestly, I’ve said it on other threads, but Filppula is our Jordan Staal and he really is the best trade bait.  I like him, but on a lot of other teams he’d be a #2 centre but he’s never, ever going to get that chance here and I think you have to move him.

Posted by Garth on 07/06/12 at 12:19 PM ET

Maybe it’s just time for Babcock to suck it up and admit to the fact he ISN’T a braniac genius that can make Z and Pavel work better apart, and reunite them, and let Flip play #2?

You’re right, that won’t happen.  Which is why I don’t know why everyone is resistant to trading Fil if there’s good return involved.


I don’t even consider Brunner as Wing.  Still the next Michael Hackert until he proves otherwise.  A guy like that doesn’t go under the radar for so long without good reason, and it’s not like he lit his league on fire or anything (and it’s not an A1 euro league even).

Posted by Primis on 07/06/12 at 03:41 PM ET

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Maybe it’s just time for Babcock to suck it up and admit to the fact he ISN’T a braniac genius that can make Z and Pavel work better apart, and reunite them, and let Flip play #2?

Seemed to work ok in ‘08, no?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 07/06/12 at 04:02 PM ET

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Wings need to take some risks. If he’s seeking a four year deal, or a fourth year would be what separates the Wings from other offers, I’d do something like:

6 + 5 + 3 + 2 = $16 million total, with a $4 million AAV

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 07/06/12 at 04:05 PM ET

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I hope Brunner is a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE success of course, but part of me is at the Ville Leino stage. And in this case I WANT to be proved wrong.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 07/06/12 at 04:14 PM ET

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Maybe it’s just time for Babcock to suck it up and admit to the fact he ISN’T a braniac genius that can make Z and Pavel work better apart, and reunite them, and let Flip play #2?

I have never understood why he messed with success. Or, why he didn’t change one thing during our abysmal run in the post season.

Maybe the answer is in his new book.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/06/12 at 04:17 PM ET

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I have never understood why he messed with success. Or, why he didn’t change one thing during our abysmal run in the post season.

Maybe the answer is in his new book.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

I recall that 3 game stint where Nyquist got the goal from the beauty pass and there was magic happening. Very next game Gus was on the 4th line! WTF! I threw my hands up in there and sat shaking my head for the rest of that game.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 07/06/12 at 04:25 PM ET

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I have never understood why he messed with success.

Because once they had to start paying Z and Franzen for their good years they couldn’t stack the roster like they were able to in 08, and Filppula still hasn’t shown that he’s a bonafide #2, so the drop from first line to second -if you put Z and Datsyuk on the first- is canyon-like.

Posted by Garth on 07/06/12 at 04:27 PM ET

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Very next game Gus was on the 4th line!

Yeah, they way he juggles lines can be annoying.  If the lines he likes aren’t working he’ll switch them up but look for the first opportunity he can to put them back like they were.

Posted by Garth on 07/06/12 at 04:28 PM ET

HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

The reason Doan doesn’t want to stay in Phoenix is he’s looking for a STABLE longer-term deal.  Best the Yotes could offer is two, and Doan wants more in terms of years.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he kept his same salary or maybe took 4m.  But he wants 3 to 4 years bottom line.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/06/12 at 04:45 PM ET

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Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/06/12 at 02:45 PM ET

I think you nailed it. He wants a stable place to finish his career AND have a shot at winning the Cup. Detroit would be a good fit for him, from his perspective. If you can’t beat’em, join’em.

I definitely think he’d take less $$ to play where he wants. Question is, where is that?

Posted by awould on 07/06/12 at 04:58 PM ET

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Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 07/06/12 at 02:14 PM ET

I dunno, his attitude and play is so much different than Leino’s.  Watching some of his interviews and watching clips of him playing he seems to be a bit more “driven” than Leino was.  He’s not affraid of contact either.. but then against that’s euro contact.  Shit’s about to get real for him over here, but I just got a feeling he’ll fit right in.  Hope I’m right.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/06/12 at 04:59 PM ET

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Nothing over 2 years.  It’s a 35+ contract so you’re on the hook for the cap hit even if he retires.

For example:

4 years.

5M
5M
2M
2M

cap hit $3.5M

Posted by azwinger from Phoenix, AZ on 07/06/12 at 12:20 PM ET

means you get him for 2 years at 3.5 (but paid 5) then you suffer the cap hit for 2 years of him not playing

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 07/06/12 at 05:55 PM ET

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Nothing over 2 years.

He’s not going to sign anywhere for less than 3 years; if he was he’d have already re-upped with Phoenix.

Posted by azwinger from Phoenix, AZ on 07/06/12 at 06:37 PM ET

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He’s not going to sign anywhere for less than 3 years; if he was he’d have already re-upped with Phoenix.

Posted by azwinger from Phoenix, AZ on 07/06/12 at 04:37 PM ET

I could be convinced to maybe go 3yrs, but not 4.  And no front-loading of the contract.  If that doesn’t work for Mr. Doan, I am perfectly alright with passing on this one.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 07/06/12 at 07:01 PM ET

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He’s not going to sign anywhere for less than 3 years; if he was he’d have already re-upped with Phoenix.

Posted by azwinger from Phoenix, AZ on 07/06/12 at 04:37 PM ET

Doan would sign a 50 year deal with Phoenix that involved cooking chicken wings for minimum wage after he retired, if only you could convince him that the team would exist for all that time. That’s the problem. He wants to play in Phoenix. The only reason he’s maaaaaaybe available is he doesn’t know that if he signs in Phoenix he won’t be playing in Quebec which he definitely doesn’t want.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/06/12 at 07:54 PM ET

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He’s got a 4.5 mil cap hit now so going down from there wouldn’t work.

It works if his production is diminished. His cap hit now is based on a contract signed when he put up 75 pts/season. He’s down 30% from that, and getting older.

Here’s new contracts signed 2012:
Jiri Hudler - 50 pts, $4MM, 4 years
PA Parenteau - 67 pts, $4MM, 4 years
Saku Koivu - 38 pts, $3.8MM, 1 year
Chris Kunitz - 61 pts, $3.7MM, 2 years
David Perron - 42 pts, $3.8MM, 4 years

Why is Doan’s 50 pts worth over $5MM?

Posted by awould on 07/06/12 at 12:12 PM ET

Part of it is intangibles.  He brings other things to the table.  And part of it is due to market prices.  We keep talking about not overpaying for a player.  But if other teams around the league are paying those prices then the market value goes up.  And like it or not we may end up “overpaying” for players that will help the team win going forward.  What is Holland holding on to the money for? Next years crop of UFAs?

Posted by HockeyFanOhio from Central Ohio on 07/06/12 at 09:30 PM ET

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Part of it is intangibles.  He brings other things to the table.  And part of it is due to market prices.  We keep talking about not overpaying for a player.  But if other teams around the league are paying those prices then the market value goes up.  And like it or not we may end up “overpaying” for players that will help the team win going forward.  What is Holland holding on to the money for? Next years crop of UFAs?

Paying millions more to a second rate player because he has “intangibles” is always a recipe for disaster.  See New York Rangers and Chris Drury.  If he’s willing to take a discount, I’d love to see him on the Wings, but we can there are players that can replicate his production at a fraction of the cost.

Posted by henrymalredo from lansing on 07/06/12 at 09:53 PM ET

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Paying millions more to a second rate player because he has “intangibles” is always a recipe for disaster.

OK, but there’s a difference between paying $7M under a $50M cap for someone just because you’re the New York Rangers and you don’t care about overpaying someone just to get him in your colours and paying $5M under a $70M cap for a guy who hits, is durable, is irritating, plays both ways, is a leader and is in general the kind of guy the Wings have been missing for the last couple years.  Oh, and scored 50 points last season.

A $5M contract this season is $3.5M in 2007 dollars (which is when Drury was signed to his $7M per year contract).

Posted by Garth on 07/06/12 at 11:00 PM ET

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but we can there are players that can replicate his production at a fraction of the cost.

Yeah, like Jiri Hudler who signed for 88% of what Doan was paid last year and has exactly zero of the intangibles Doan would bring.

Posted by Garth on 07/06/12 at 11:02 PM ET

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If you want the guy, go get him.  Would it seriously hurt to have 6.5 sitting on the cap?  Obviously it’s a risk, but it makes no sense to pinch pennies on a thin market when the team has serious deficiencies.
There are only a few re-signings on the horizon.  Wanting players and being outbid is kinda lame, no?

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 07/07/12 at 12:13 AM ET

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I think it’s funny (not ha ha funny) how two weeks ago when Parise was considered likely to sign w/ Detroit that when Doan’s name was brought up it got nothing but jeers, and now that we got bupkus we’re all debating the dollar amount he’s worth.

Tough time to be a Red Wings fan.

Posted by awould on 07/07/12 at 02:04 AM ET

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when Doan’s name was brought up it got nothing but jeers, and now that we got bupkus we’re all debating the dollar amount he’s worth.

I’m one of the few that STILL doesnt want him. Sure he has grit and determination. But he also brings his repeat offense with him. He will pop off at just the wrong time when we need him in a stretch and now your paying for a 5-10 game suspension. It’ll happen, just a matter of when.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 07/07/12 at 01:51 PM ET

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