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You Make The Call- Does Lucic Get Suspended For Hit On Miller?

added 3:35pm, No suspension or fine for Lucic.


from Mike Harrington of the Buffalo News,

The Buffalo Sabres got savaged in the North American media and on the Internet on Sunday for not responding to Milan Lucic’s bulldozing of Ryan Miller on Saturday night in Boston. They apparently heard about it in strong terms as well from coach Lindy Ruff and General Manager Darcy Regier during a meeting Sunday in the Bell Centre.

And things took on a much more ominous tone later in the evening, when Regier told The Buffalo News that Miller has a concussion and will be out an undetermined period.

Regier is adamant Lucic should be suspended for the hit. Lucic will have a hearing today at 1 p.m. to discuss the first-period play in which Miller was knocked to the ice and his helmet was knocked off.

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You can read the NHL rule, Contact Outside the Goal Crease below and in case you missed or need to watch the play again, check it out here.

69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.

When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.

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TheFreak's avatar

After Miller went down, he quickly sat back up and took a swing with his stick at Lucic. Was anything ever said about that? That two handed swing certainly look as much intentioned as Lucic’s hit.

No not defending Lucic…just making an observation.

Posted by TheFreak on 11/14/11 at 11:45 AM ET

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@TheFreak ....

That “stick swinging” was just a reflex retaliation… Not even close to the same thing as intentionally running a player who is “not fair game” by the book.

Lucic better get at least a couple of games as a matter of principle… Only a “gutless piece of s**t” like Lucic would take out a defenceless player then smile all the way to the penalty box and laugh about it in interviews after the game. His behavior makes the NHL look like a bush league. DO SOMETHING Shanny!

Posted by Dan from mtl on 11/14/11 at 12:59 PM ET

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That “stick swinging” was just a reflex retaliation

That almost makes it worse. I’d rather a guy swinging his stick know he’s swinging it, than some guy who is prone to ‘reflexes’ like that. Still, I don’t blame him really. I’m a big Ryan Miller fan, but that stick swinging should be addressed too. I don’t care if he didn’t hit him, you shouldn’t be able to wildly swing your stick at another player and not get something. At least a talking to, or since he’ll be out anyways a couple or few games, suspend him a game. And give Lucic 3 games.

My take on the hit… it’s hard for me to condemn Lucic too much when I spent years wishing Shanahan would do the same thing to Roy. I mean, I know it’s wrong, but still….

He could’ve done what Hasek did to Gaborik and avoided the whole thing. That would’ve been a great highlight reel, seeing Lucic go end over end.

Posted by awould on 11/14/11 at 01:15 PM ET

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Why didn’t Buffalo run Rask/Thomas (whoever was in net) the rest of the game?  Buffalo relies heavily on their goalie as does Boston.  Hell, he won them the cup. See how well Thomas plays while trying to avoid multiple devistating hits.

Posted by loojay on 11/14/11 at 01:20 PM ET

HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

if he doesn’t get suspended itll definitely make the game on the 23rd worth watching

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 11/14/11 at 01:23 PM ET

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Why didn’t Buffalo run Rask/Thomas (whoever was in net) the rest of the game?

Because that would be worse than doing nothing, which is what they did. What they SHOULD have done was to jump Lucic and beat him to a pulp before Miller even got up.

Posted by awould on 11/14/11 at 01:24 PM ET

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That two handed swing certainly look as much intentioned as Lucic’s hit.

really? I suppose you are talking about the weak one handed swing of his stick which was all in one motion as he spun to the ice. If it was at his head, yeah sure, thats bad. I have seen worse slashes make contact and not even get a penalty…you want him to get suspended or fined for that?

Posted by pstumba on 11/14/11 at 01:35 PM ET

awould's avatar

all in one motion as he spun to the ice

except he spun around, stopped on his ass, looked up at lucic and then swung his stick. nobody is saying it was a two handed wack that would’ve busted his femur, but the point is, you don’t intentionally use your stick as a weapon, ever.

Posted by awould on 11/14/11 at 01:40 PM ET

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Apparently we still arent watching the same thing. I’ve re-watched this “reckless swinging of the stick” like 10 times… there is no stop in the motion of the stick as he goes down. Just watch the stick the whole time, it never stops moving. I’m not saying he wasnt swinging his stick at him, he was, I would too if I got railroaded for no reason. This all happens in less than 1 second too, so his stopping on his ass after getting hit in the head and then deciding to swing at him idea you all have is even harder to swallow. But at no point is that swing any worse than any other stick play that goes on in the hockey game. Thomas has given out hacks with worse intentions than that with less of a reason…  and guess what? no fines or suspensions…

Lets stick with what ACTUALLY happened…and that is a dirty check by Lucic

Posted by pstumba on 11/14/11 at 01:51 PM ET

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Apparently we still arent watching the same thing.

No, we’re not. I saw Miller swing his stick after his momentum stopped. It was not some carryover that lifted his stick off his leg and around up in the air towards Lucic. It was his brain telling his arm to do that.

Lets stick with what ACTUALLY happened…and that is a dirty check by Lucic

True.

Posted by awould on 11/14/11 at 01:56 PM ET

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Lucic went to the penalty box. Justice was served. There is no need for a suspension.

Posted by UMFan from Denver, Colorado on 11/14/11 at 02:03 PM ET

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@awould.

At least you and I are seeing the same thing here. It was Miller swinging the stick after he went down and sat back up. However, it was only a one handed swing - maybe that’s the confusion as i had said two handed swing earlier.

@Dan
Yes it was probably a heat of the moment retaliation swing.

Anyway, I was just curious if any NHL official had commented on Miller’s intent, since they are now in the realm of determining “intent”.

view top video here at the 1:00 mark:
Lucic hit on Miller

Posted by TheFreak on 11/14/11 at 02:40 PM ET

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Lucic doesn’t seem to understand the basic rules of comportment in hockey and in life.  This summer he learned that being drunk and a Bruin doesn’t give him a free pass to smack his girlfriend around.

In the hearing, I wonder if Lucic will ask Shanahan “Do you know who I am?!?!?!”

Posted by Jerry on 11/14/11 at 02:44 PM ET

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Would not have been worse than doing nothing.  There was once a time when if you ran our star player your star player got run. Seemed to work out then.  Sure, fight Lucic, but now their goalie has a good one coming.

Posted by loojay on 11/14/11 at 02:47 PM ET

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okay, let me get this straight…...people are actually talking about this limp-wristed flail with the stick?  Wtf?  Yeah guys, that’s an issue.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt on 11/14/11 at 03:16 PM ET

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Yeah guys, that’s an issue.

I think everyone’s pretty well on board that Lucic’s hit was indefensible bullshit. So the stick swing is the only argument left. No chat board is fun if everyone agrees smile

Posted by awould on 11/14/11 at 03:18 PM ET

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It looked like a headshot and it was a cheap shot either way. Miller did not have the puck, and the point of hitting is to dislodge the puck. Give him a couple games to think about being a responsible player.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 11/14/11 at 04:01 PM ET

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Lucic should and will be suspended.  He will get less punishment than he deserves as the owner of the Bruins is Buttman’s biggest fan.

The Sabres need to man up and look at the hopeless response to that hit.  Not a single one of them did anything.  Lucic should have ended up with an arm and his gonads ripped off for that gutless intentional play.  Until players stand up to guy like him and the giant tree stump defenseman, they will get away with this sort of stuff.

Doc

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 11/14/11 at 04:10 PM ET

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Too bad Rick Jeanneret (Sabres play by play guy) wasn’t on the ice or the bench.  First words out of his mouth were “someone should clean his clock!’  He gets it, the Sabres don’t.  Even if you thought Lucic might get a major (and he didn’t) you go prison rules on him when he gets out of the box.  They’ve got an opportunity on the 23rd to make amends.

Posted by wolverine on 11/14/11 at 05:26 PM ET

Forlorn in VA's avatar

Bruins just tweeted no fine, no suspension.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/14/11 at 06:36 PM ET

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No suspension or fine for Lucic.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/14/11 at 06:36 PM ET

Forlorn in VA's avatar

And that update wasn’t there when I hit post…

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 11/14/11 at 06:37 PM ET

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from NHL.com,

“I had the hearing because I did make an initial assessment of the play as I do with all plays, but I did have some questions for Milan and I wanted to hear directly from him,” Shanahan told NHL.com. “They were regarding his intent; at what point did he know there was going to be a collision; and whether or not he felt he had the time to avoid the collision. I was satisfied with his answers.”

Shanahan said the minor penalty for charging was the proper call in this case because it follows Rule 42.1, which reads “a goalkeeper is not fair game just because he is outside the goal crease area.”

“The minor penalty called on the ice was the correct call,” Shanahan said. “And, while it’s unfortunate that Miller was hurt I saw nothing egregious about this hit that would elevate it to supplemental discipline.”

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/14/11 at 06:41 PM ET

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oston Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli’s statement on the NHL’s decision re: Milan Lucic

“We are satisfied with the NHL’s announcement that there will be no suspension or fine for Milan, and we respect the process that the League took to reach this decision.

“I am also proud that Milan took the high road, and chose not to engage in an exchange of words after the unfortunate comments that were made about him following the game.”

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/14/11 at 07:51 PM ET

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It could be homer glasses, but I think Shanny argued it well. It still looked like a head shot though.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 11/14/11 at 10:53 PM ET

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