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What Nashville Needs To Do With Shea Weber

from Kevin Allen at Rink Rap,

It certainly isn’t difficult to determine what to offer Weber: It’s the Sidney Crosby contract of $104.4 million over 12 years.

We know the Predators can go that high, because they were at least in the neighborhood in their bidding for Ryan Suter.

If the Predators make that offer, they are telling Weber they value him as much the Penguins value Crosby. And that’s the truth. They would be paying him more than Ryan Suter received when he left the Predators to sign with the Minnesota Wild this week. And that’s important. That offer would also telling their fans that the Predators are willing to do whatever it takes to build a winning organization

That level of offer essentially forces both sides to lay all of their cards on the table. If Weber doesn’t accept that offer now, it’s highly unlikely he’s going to re-sign in Nashville.

If he turns down the offer, Poile doesn’t have to guess whether Weber is going to stay. He will know it’s time to trade him and get players back that will put the franchise back on the road to recovery from the loss of Suter and Weber.

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It’s essentially what shero did with staal… But what poile has to do is keep it on the down low… That way you don’t have a guy saying he only wants to play in Carolina type of situation.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 07/06/12 at 02:47 PM ET

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Poile does need to offer Weber a long term contract now. That would be the smart (non arrogant) thing to do…. which means he won’t.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/06/12 at 02:52 PM ET

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This is a really good idea. And Poile should do it now, not a week from now or next summer.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/06/12 at 03:17 PM ET

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I agree. This is a really good plan for the Predators. 

It also perhaps saves his job when Weber does want out.  There’s no way Preds fans can say Poile didn’t do everything he could to try to keep Weber around.  It gives him carte blanche to grab maximum value for him from any other team without being accused of having given up on Weber before he should have.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/06/12 at 04:20 PM ET

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Here’s the problem: is the goal to actually win, or just to make it look like you’re trying to win so you don’t get fired?

If the goal is to actually win, to really make the best decision for the long-term health of the franchise, Poile trades Weber for an absolute ransom of players, picks and prospects.

If the goal is just to look like you’re legging out an infield single, then make him a big offer which if he signs completely handcuffs the team, and if he walks away from it Poile doesn’t look like the bad guy.

If the team has Weber or doesn’t have Weber they aren’t ever going to be able to compete dollar-for-dollar with the bigger spending clubs.  Not ever.  It sucks for them to be in that situation, but that’s what you get.  If Poile gets stuck in the trap of trying to lock up his stars to market contracts all he’s going to end up doing is freezing himself out of being able to do anything else but pay three guys who were his best UFAs three years ago while watching all his fresher RFA types walk out the door.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/06/12 at 06:08 PM ET

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Poile’s job is more than about winning hockey games.  The Nashville Predators are right on the cusp of being joining the model franchise club for a smaller hockey market actually growing the game in a nontraditional place.

If the Predators are better off without Weber, then fine, but good luck rationally convincing their fans that the club isn’t just selling off assets to maintain the momentum of a mediocre-but-overperforming team.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/06/12 at 07:24 PM ET

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JJs points are pretty on the mark, but I’d just like to add that Poile’s also in the business of maximizing assets. If Weber won’t sign now for Crosby’s deal more or less exactly, he’s gone for nothing in 12 months no matter what you offer.

It’s basically become apparent that Rick Nash is not viewed as good enough to rearrange your team’s depth chart to get. Teams WILL do that for Weber, who, unlike Nash, is probably the league’s best player at his position (despite always being a bridesmaid in Norris voting, Weber’s probably the most-complete guy) and performs that way every year.

The return Shero got for Jordan Staal in a similar situation to the one Poile might be in with Weber was pretty substantial, imo. An A prospect who’s close to ready for the big show, one of the league’s best shadows and a high first rounder. A return for Weber, who’s value over replacement is way higher than Jordan Staal’s, should be more substantial than that by a good bit, assuming he’ll negotiate an extension in principle with the destination team, which he probably would, if the process is starting with Poile asking him to pick and choose who he talks to.

And hey, if Weber signs the extension, which is ideal, then Poile can quit losing sleep over all this.

Right this second is the time for Poile to start figuring all this stuff out.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/06/12 at 07:48 PM ET

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Poile trades Weber for an absolute ransom of players, picks and prospects.

i think this is another super-trade that can’t happen, like Nash.  The teams that want to contend are unwilling to hack up the core.
i think the Lindros trade remains a cautionary tale, and I bet it won’t look like much when Nash finally goes.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 07/06/12 at 11:54 PM ET

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thank god Polie isn’t Scott Howson

Posted by FlyersFan on 07/07/12 at 02:16 AM ET

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