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What Is Ville Leino Worth?

from Chuck Gormley of the Courier Post,

At $800,000, Leino, 27, is an absolute steal. Through 17 games he leads the Flyers in assists with 12 and is tied for third on the club in points with 15. Entering tonight’s game against the visiting Ottawa Senators, Leino is on pace for 14 goals and 58 assists for 72 points and a plus-43 rating.

By comparison, Carter is on pace for 39 goals and 33 assists for 72 points and a plus-14 rating….

“I’ve had some conversations with Ville’s agent (Bill Zito),” Holmgren said. “Obviously, he’s a guy we want to keep in the organization and we’ll do what we can. If he keeps getting a couple points a game it gets harder and harder. Maybe we’ll sit him out. I think Ville likes it here. He’s found a niche on our team, so hopefully we can get something done.”

If Leino agrees to an extension in the $2 million range, the Flyers will have 19 players under contract for next season and will be forced to shed salary in the summer.


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Nathan's avatar

Goals are worth more than assists. By quite a bit. Don’t overestimate this guy’s worth.

Posted by Nathan from wasting perfect passes from my teammates on 11/15/10 at 12:23 PM ET

Link_Gaetz's avatar

Never trust a European in a contract year.

Especially a soft one.

Especially a soft one, who has never come close to his current production during his prior years in the NHL.

That being said, I hate Flyers, and I hope they splash a lot of money and a lot of years on Leino.

Posted by Link_Gaetz on 11/15/10 at 01:03 PM ET

Joe Z.'s avatar

I wouldn’t say “quite a bit”, just look at most Detroit goals (since I mostly follow wingshockey only, I can’t say much about goals scored by other teams).
The effort for the assist is mostly equal to the goal-effort, just look at bert’s and hudler’s goals the last game. on the first franzen draw 2 or 3 oilers to him and gave bert a lot of space and of crouse the puck. on hudlers goal it was the exorbitant vision and passing ability of lidström. not saying that bert and hudler made easy plays, bert in fact made an one out of 1000 shots-shot, and jiri went for the small line inside the skate above the blade.

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 11/15/10 at 01:40 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

What Is Ville Leino Worth?

Apparently, in the (L)Eastern Conference, a whole lot.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 11/15/10 at 01:48 PM ET

redxblack's avatar

If Philly lets him walk, Tampa will probably sign him.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 11/15/10 at 01:56 PM ET

Nathan's avatar

Posted by Joe Z.  from Old World on 11/15/10 at 10:40 AM ET

It’s mostly just about simple probabilities and the secondary assist.

I agree, you can’t truly asses the value of a given goal or assist without applying the eyeball test. And after all, hockey is a team game—it’s very rare a player scores a goal on a great, true-blue 100% individual effort.

But over a large sample size, it is more than fair and accurate to say that goals are worth a substantial bit more than assists.

The Great One without the all-time goals record is just Adam Oates. wink

Posted by Nathan from wasting perfect passes from my teammates on 11/15/10 at 02:23 PM ET

Joe Z.'s avatar

Posted by Nathan from the chiropractor on 11/15/10 at 11:23 AM ET

a substantial bit would mean the most goals are scored after a 200ft solo run of a single player? the puck usually get’s to the goal-scorer via his teammates.(steals which lead to a goal by the same person,sometimes they happen, and especially often if your number is 13 on a rw-dress). But just let me ask you this, which players would you have on a line if you could choose from the top 5 goal scorers and top 5 “asissters”? look at your lineup

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 11/15/10 at 03:04 PM ET

Nate A's avatar

@Joe Z, I understand what you’re saying, but not all assists are equal. Its not uncommon that someone gets an assist from a lucky deflection, or a shot that a goalie doesn’t control is put in by a teammate in a scramble. Plays where it was luck rather than a conscious decision and well executed play.  Plus most goals credit 2 assists on the play. There’s no doubt that Goals and the more valuable stat. 

14 goals isn’t bad, but is it something you want to spend $5M on if you’re doing a straight projected points comparison with Carter?

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 11/15/10 at 04:09 PM ET

edillac's avatar

I actually watched some Flyers games this year,his assists are just great passes,not much second assist bull there

Posted by edillac from isolation on 11/15/10 at 04:28 PM ET

HockeyTownTodd's avatar

Carter has been dynamite from his first skate with a Flyers jersey.
The team just steps up their game when he hits the ice.
Very poor comparison.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/15/10 at 04:37 PM ET

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Posted by Joe Z.  from Old World on 11/15/10 at 12:04 PM ET

Joe, I am not disagreeing with you when talking about making up a team. You absolutely need a balance of skill sets. A team of Alex Ovechkins would probably score less than the Caps as-is and would certainly give up way more goals. I acknowledge that hockey is a team game and that it’s incredibly rare (maybe a few times a season?) that a truly individual effort leads to a goal.

The fact that there are two assists potentially available on every single goal is enough to tell us most guys should have more assists than goals.

Great setup men are worth a lot, no doubt about it. But we’re not talking about Jumbo Joe, Pavel Datsyuk, or Henrik Sedin, we’re talking about a guy that had a nice hot streak at the right time last season. Cap considerations or not, I think it would be irresponsible for the Flyers to NOT wait to see this solid play continue.

Posted by Nathan from wasting perfect passes from my teammates on 11/15/10 at 05:16 PM ET

Joe Z.'s avatar

So we agree wink
Well I just wanted to point out that Leino is quite valuable for the Flyers. why shouldn’t you sign a guy who is producing? Even if he failed on another team

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 11/16/10 at 07:23 AM ET

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