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What If A Team Made A Huge Offer For Pavel Datsyuk?

Would the Detroit Red Wings pull the trigger?

According to Capgeek.com, Datsyuk has a partial NTC (no trade contract) which probably means Datsyuk could supply a list of teams, perhaps around 10, that he would not accept a trade to.

Datsyuk's contract is completed at the end of the 2012-14 season and his cap hit is $6.7M.

What kind of offer would make the Wings think about it, well that's up to you to decide.

So, make an offer for Datsyuk if you think your team would have an interest or if you are a Detroit fan, would you agree to a Datsyuk trade and if you answer yes, what kind of return would you expect? If the answer is no, let me know why.

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J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Honestly zero clue. The concept of a blockbuster this huge is so foreign to me anymore that I honestly can’t think of a deal that both makes sense and that I would like.

I’ll say right now that the price would be higher for me because I’m not convinced that a destructive rebuild is the right path for the team, so I’d have to be convinced.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/07/13 at 01:52 PM ET

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It’s a moot point. KH doesn’t have the coconuts to pull the trigger on something of this magnitude. That being said, I want Pavel in Detroit for as long as can play.

Posted by Sneetch on 02/07/13 at 01:57 PM ET

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I can’t imagine an offer that makes Detroit a better team without Datsyuk.

Posted by Garth on 02/07/13 at 02:06 PM ET

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This would never happen. Sneetch is right, not just KH, but Ilitch and the whole Brain Trust would never do this; loyalty means something to the Wings Organ-I-zation. Even if the Wings wanted to do this, it could never happen because of the partial no trade clause. To make this deal worthwhile, Pavs would have to be sent to a perenial bottom dweller (that has no chance of contending for years) for several years of first round picks. There is no way in hell Pavs would agree to go to such a team.

Why trading the best player currently playing in the NHL is a topic is beyond me. Pavs should be and will be a Wing for Life.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 02/07/13 at 02:12 PM ET

MOWingsfan19's avatar

I’d never agree to trade him anywhere.
Does anyone else have a sinking feeling he won’t ink, paper & sign with the Wings at the end of this contract? I’ve said it a few times now, and I just really think he’ll play out the current contract and head home….

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 02/07/13 at 02:12 PM ET

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I can’t imagine an offer that makes Detroit a better team without Datsyuk.

Right.  There is no trade math except something that can’t be done: like Alex Pietrangelo, Oshie, and a prospect.

Posted by MoreShoot on 02/07/13 at 02:13 PM ET

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and I just really think he’ll play out the current contract and head home…

another reason the trade is not likely to happen

Posted by MoreShoot on 02/07/13 at 02:14 PM ET

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Datsyuk is our best play maker, so removing him from the equation would have a significant impact on the team.  I think the Wings really need a David Backes type player/clone as well as a young top 2 D-man, so that would be a starting point for me when considering any trade. 

Even if the team were to get a fantastic offer it would be incredibly tough to pull the trigger; Dats is an all around fantastic human being, and he’s not the kind of guy you really want to lose.  Loyalty is incredibly important, even more so during lean times, so the price needed to trade Datsyuk is likely too high for any team to consider.  Especially the Wings.

Posted by Coastal Coyote on 02/07/13 at 02:19 PM ET

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It wouldn’t happen.  Besides, Datsyuk is worth more to the Wings then to any other team.  The Wings would need to get at least one young future all-star back in return for it to be worth them trading their best player, but another team would probably only give pack a package of secondary prospects and players for a 35 year old forward.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 02/07/13 at 02:21 PM ET

Chris from NOHS's avatar

There’s very little that would be equal to Dats.

Posted by Chris from NOHS from Columbus, OH/Grand Rapids, MI on 02/07/13 at 02:27 PM ET

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I can’t imagine an offer that makes Detroit a better team without Datsyuk.

Posted by Garth on 02/07/13 at 01:06 PM ET

That’s because there isn’t one realistically. At least not one that makes them a better team right now.

Any trade package for Datsyuk would have to include a combination of top tier young talent, draft picks, and established NHL player(s). If the Red Wings consider trading Datsyuk, it will be because they are committed to overhauling the team which, frankly, after watching them through 10 games this year, may not be a bad idea.

But I think the problem is that for all the respect he gets from other players and teams, Datsyuk is still underrated and undervalued. I’m not sure the Wings could even get what he’s worth in return.

All this said, Datsyuk is maybe my favorite Red Wing of all time and it would sicken me to see him play for another team. But this is a deeply, deeply flawed team. The worst team they’ve iced in 25 years. And in all honesty, they don’t have enough bankable homegrown young talent in the pipeline. Jarnkrok and Jurco et al will probably be good players, but let’s not kid ourselves here: the WIngs don’t have any Tarasenkos or Yakupovs. That’s the kind of level of talent they’d need in return, just for starters.

 

 

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 02/07/13 at 02:28 PM ET

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Datsyuk and Kronwall for Crosby, Malkin, and Letang.  There, DONE.

Posted by wingsrul91 on 02/07/13 at 02:35 PM ET

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Just shooting from the hip, but a potential return would need to include the following:

Two 1st round draft picks
A top 5 prospect (think Huberdeau- or Yakupov-level of talent)
A top 6 forward
A top 2 D-man

Is this way off base? Too much? Too little?

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 02/07/13 at 02:38 PM ET

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I meant to type “top 4 D-Man”, top 2 is stretching it even more than it’s already stretched…

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 02/07/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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If the Red Wings consider trading Datsyuk, it will be because they are committed to overhauling the team which, frankly, after watching them through 10 games this year, may not be a bad idea.

Except that there’s no way to commit to overhauling the team when you’ve just given Todd Bertuzzi and Mikael Samuelsson multi-year 35+ deals with NTCs.

Which is to say nothing about giving up on the season when you’ve not played a single game with a full, healthy roster.

Posted by Garth on 02/07/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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Two 1st round draft picks

Or two 2nd round draft picks, which is what Holland would trade the two 1st rounders for anyhow…

Posted by Garth on 02/07/13 at 02:42 PM ET

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  If the Red Wings consider trading Datsyuk, it will be because they are committed to overhauling the team which, frankly, after watching them through 10 games this year, may not be a bad idea.

Except that there’s no way to commit to overhauling the team when you’ve just given Todd Bertuzzi and Mikael Samuelsson multi-year 35+ deals with NTCs.

Which is to say nothing about giving up on the season when you’ve not played a single game with a full, healthy roster.

Posted by Garth on 02/07/13 at 01:41 PM ET

Could Bert and Sammy be bought on a whim or does it need to specifically be to get under the cap? I’m still not entirely clear about that. If so, maybe that’s an option.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 02/07/13 at 02:48 PM ET

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Then again, Bert has been one of their better forwards this season (when healthy)...

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 02/07/13 at 02:49 PM ET

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Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 02/07/13 at 01:48 PM ET

I think the boyouts are unconditional.

Then again, Bert has been one of their better forwards this season (when healthy)...

True, but if we’re talking rebuild, a 39-year old can’t be a cornerstone of that, right?

Posted by Garth on 02/07/13 at 02:51 PM ET

MOWingsfan19's avatar

Didn’t the new CBA have something about 2 buy outs written into it due to the cap constriction next year?

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 02/07/13 at 02:53 PM ET

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Mandingo,

I would more or less disown the wings if they shipped Datsyuk outta town. I’m having a tough enough time just forgiving the NHL in general for their childish fight over money, but Ill still watch games. And primarily to see what kind of trick Pavel has up his sleeve next. His creativity, vision and physical ability make him one of the most dynamic players in the game today. He’s done this for many years now, which puts him on a higher shelf than his current counterparts in the NHL.

I’m scared that the rumors have him potentially moving back to Russia once his contract is up. I always wondered why he never made an attempt at the English language like many foreign players have elsewhere around the league. Kinda falls into camp with him splitting in the next 1-2 years too…... sigh.

Don’t go Pavel! We’ll stop making counterfeit T-shirts with your creds!

Posted by TKShreve from East Uptown on 02/07/13 at 02:55 PM ET

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The problem is the Wings are stuck in between. If they thought they could also then move the contracts of Z and Franzen, maybe sell off Cleary at the deadline along with Ian White… but when you’ve got the big contracts for Z and Franzen, the contracts to veterans like Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, and Cleary, who are far more valuable as Red Wings than they are as anything else, you’re stuck. Just good enough that it makes no sense to punt Datsyuk, and just bad enough that it makes no sense to tank it for a lottery pick.

I think they go to the deadline. If they aren’t solidly in the playoff race, then Cleary, Eaves, White, and Colaiacovo are prime candidates for a trade to a team that needs depth players. And Filppula should be on the table for the right price. Best they can do in a situation like that. Then take the picks from the trades to try and rebuild for four or five years down the line, and use the cap space you cleared in the meantime to take a hard run at the top UFAs next offseason.

It’s a bunch of crappy options, frankly. The only good option isn’t very realistic—the team plays well enough here forward to get into the playoffs and maybe win a couple games. In the offseason, they land one or two very good UFAs. That gets them competitive for the top four in the conference, and bridges the gap to the hopeful futures of Smith, Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Pulkkinen, and Jarnkrok. And even then, they had better land a UFA D that is top-notch for it to matter.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 02/07/13 at 03:00 PM ET

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The thing about Bert is that A) he only has a $2 million cap hit and B) he’s got a modified NTC. So, you just might be able to find some interest in him, though it wouldn’t fetch much. The question becomes, if Bert approves a trade based on the modified NTC, are you really getting more value in return than he provides being a part of the team for the next season? Probably a coin flip. He’s not really killing your cap like Franzen is.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 02/07/13 at 03:02 PM ET

WingsFanInBeanLand's avatar

Not that I will ever want Datsyuk to leave the Wings but, leaving the salary cap out of the equation, the only trade I could think of would be Pavel for Malkin, Letang, Rosby, and a first.

That’s how much I value Pavs.

Lobotomize me now at the thought of Rosby in a Wings sweater.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 02/07/13 at 03:04 PM ET

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Random thoughts:
LA - D. Brown, D. Doughty for Datsyuk and 3rd rd
Ott. - E. Karlsson, 2 1st rders for Datsyuk
EDM - Eberle, 2 1st rders for Datsyuk
WPG - Kane, Enstrom for Datsyuk

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 02/07/13 at 03:14 PM ET

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Detroit would be foolish not to listen, but I agree with the general sentiment that such a deal is incredibly unlikely.

As a general rule Detroit doesn’t attempt tectonic changes like this but prefers more moderate adjustments.

All of that said, people here are overvaluing what Datsyuk is actually worth in a trade.  He’s 34, he’s only signed for one more season, he’s got the KHL as a huge lever in his next contract negotiation so he won’t be any kind of an easy sign, and all of his next contract will be a 35+ fully guaranteed against the cap thing assuming it’s multi-year.

I would move him for 3 #1’s and a good roster player.

IMO a perfect fit for this kind of trade would be a team desperately in need of an immediate gate draw, and preferably with a new management team Holland could pull the wool over a bit.  Enter… the Phoenix Coyotes.

Datsyuk and Kindl for Yandle and 3 #1’s.  Done and done.  Evenw ith Datsyuk Phoenix is going to struggle tomake playoffs so the #1’s will be top 15s at least.

He’s not really killing your cap like Franzen is.

>4 mil.

31 goals per 82 regular season games since signing the contract. 
30 goals per 82 postseason games since signing the contract.

There are things to criticize about Franzen.  His current and near future cap values are quite possibly the very last two of them.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 02/07/13 at 03:21 PM ET

Buck's avatar

Trade Datsyuk?  Not only no, but HELL NO.

Posted by Buck from The High Plains of New Mexico on 02/07/13 at 03:35 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

If DET are convinced that he is heading home after his contract expires, then it makes all the sense in the world to try for a blockbuster deal.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/07/13 at 03:38 PM ET

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Trade Datsyuk?  Not only no, but HELL NO.

Posted by Buck from The High Plains of New Mexico on 02/07/13 at 02:35 PM ET

exactly my sanctimonies!

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 02/07/13 at 04:49 PM ET

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I’ve heard these same rumblings to trade Yzerman to the Sens.  Remember that shit?

Not gonna happen.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 02/07/13 at 05:01 PM ET

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For those who think Crosby, Malkin and Letang would be a fair trade think about this… none of them have a face off win % equal to Pav nor are any of them as good defensively as Pav (including Letang).. and of course lets not forget you would be trading a universal class act for 3 less than classy players. 

For all that Pav brings to the Wings it would take 2 possibly 3 Top 3 level forwards just to replace what he brings.  Then to make it worth the offer you need to ask for a first round prospect, a 1st round pick and probably 1 or 2 other picks as well.  This won’t happen this year, no way, but next year in the last year of his contract if the Wings are not in playoff contention and it is looking like Pav will not resign then I think the Wings might trade him at the deadline. 

However, the Wings are sitting pretty right now if they want to rebuild for the post Datsyuk era.  This summer buyout Sammy, trade Frazen, Mursak and Kindl for whatever you can get while letting Cleary, White, Huskins and MacDonald walk as UFA’s.  Sign Lashoff and Smith to bridge contracts and Brunner and Fil to longer deals.  Bring up Anderson, Tatar, Nyquist, Ferraro and Sheahan to fill the forward spots and maybe a D-man.  Fill other spots with rental 1 year fillers and bottom dwell for the 13/14 season to get a shot at the 1st over all pick. 

After next season you are done with quincy, ericsson and colaiacovo on defense and you can let Bert and Eaves go as UFA’s leaving you with a high level draft picks for the summer of 2014 and a HUGE cap space to sign UFA’s to fill out the roster.  (UFA’s this summer are very slim on Defense anyways) Also you will know which of the young players you brought up are NHL capable and should have Jarnkrok and Pulkinnen ready to be given a shot at the lineup for that season as well putting the Wings right back at the top with 1 lost season and not 5 to forever (oilers) seasons of rebuilding. 

(Truth be told, I’d trade Zetterberg long before even considering a trade for Datsyuk)

Posted by AzWingsFan on 02/07/13 at 05:30 PM ET

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Whatever we were going to trade Yzerman to Ottawa for.

Posted by LivinLaVidaLockout on 02/07/13 at 05:33 PM ET

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>4 mil.

31 goals per 82 regular season games since signing the contract. 
30 goals per 82 postseason games since signing the contract.

There are things to criticize about Franzen.  His current and near future cap values are quite possibly the very last two of them.

This.

30 goals per season @ 3.95 mil/per season until the end of his career is pretty good value.  Anyone who came cheaper would be due for a HUGE raise within a season or 2.  The only reason the contract could be questioned is because it possibly cost them Hossa, and I’m not convinced he was ever going to sign with Detroit again anyway.

Besides, if you don’t like that one, wait till you see what they give Flip to stick around, especially with the removal of backdiving contracts.  And I’d be shocked if he ever scored 30 goals.

Posted by Hootinani on 02/07/13 at 05:41 PM ET

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Am I the only one who’s liked Franzen’s play this year?

Think he’s played every bit of his contract value.  Lets see if he can continue to put in the effort, but he’s on the right track right now.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 02/07/13 at 06:02 PM ET

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