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Waiting For Weber News

from Frank Seravalli of the Philadelphia Daily News,

With four nights to contemplate keeping Shea Weber for the next 14 years, the Nashville Predators have yet to make a decision whether to match the $110 million offer sheet the Flyers tendered the star defenseman last Wednesday.

When contacted by the Daily News on Sunday, Predators CEO Jeff Cogen referred to the original statement issued by the team on Thursday.

Similarly, the Flyers have not heard anything yet as to the Predators’ intentions.

In their statement, Nashville general manager David Poile said they will “take the appropriate time to review and evaluate it and all of its ramifications in order to make the best decision for the Predators in both the short and long-term.”

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from Sam Carchidi of the Philadelphia Inquirer,

An NHL source with knowledge of the situation said on Sunday night that Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren and his Nashville counterpart, David Poile, have talked “just once” since restricted free-agent Shea Weber signed a 14-year, $110 million contract with Philadelphia on Wednesday.

That fuels speculation that Nashville is thinking about sending Weber, arguably the league best all-around defenseman, to the Flyers in a trade.

If Nashville was going to match the offer, there would be no need for Poile to confer with Holmgren.

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Hehehe. A trade ... a trade (would you could you). Hopefully, it will cost Philly just enough. Either way, tho, me thinks Weber goes from losing out to Detroit/Chicago to losing out to Pittsburgh.

Posted by MoreShoot on 07/23/12 at 09:00 AM ET

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I keep hearing people say Nashville is trying to work out a trade.  I don’t know the ins and outs of the CBA as some may do, but I was under the impression that, unlike the previous CBA, your only options when your RFA is signed is either to match or take the picks.  Could somebody clear this up?

Posted by henrymalredo from lansing on 07/23/12 at 10:09 AM ET

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I don’t believe the trade could be for Weber himself but the compensation surrounding the signing, like the draft picks, for players. on the Flyers roster.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 07/23/12 at 10:12 AM ET

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That’s how it works.  The Flyers did this with Tampa years ago.  Essentially, the way it would work would be that:

1.  Nashville doesn’t match the offer and Weber signs with Philly.

2.  Nashville gets Philly’s 4 first round picks.

3.  Nashville trade’s some or all of Philly’s 4 first round picks back to Philly for some collection of players or what not.

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/23/12 at 10:44 AM ET

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1) Poile is a smart GM. Unless he’s specificly told by ownership that they can’t afford Weber’s deal he’s going to reccomend matching the Philly offer sheet. 
2) A trade would the lesser of the two evils, but from a Flyers perspective, unless they feel that a deal would guarentee they get Weber , they lose LESS with the 4 1st rounders.  I would be surprised Weber isn’t still a Predator Wednesday afternoon

Posted by Fauxrumors on 07/23/12 at 10:55 AM ET

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A trade would the lesser of the two evils, but from a Flyers perspective, unless they feel that a deal would guarentee they get Weber , they lose LESS with the 4 1st rounders.

Yes, but Philly really wants Weber, so Poile can easily say “work out a trade that’s good for us and we’ll let Weber go, and if you don’t then we match the offer and if/when we ever trade Weber, the one team we will never, ever consider trading him to is Philly”.

Posted by Garth on 07/23/12 at 11:54 AM ET

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Poile is a smart GM.

After watching how he handled Suter, I’m pretty sure he’s not a smart GM. Of their 3 most successful draft picks - Suter, Weber, Rinne - it’s really starting to look like only 1 will still be with the team after having a choice to stay or go. Also, his trade for an old, ailing Peter Forsberg was a blunder. Ironically, it was Holmgren who fleeced him on that one too.

I think most of their success has been good coaching.

Posted by awould on 07/23/12 at 12:09 PM ET

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My guess is Nashville will ask for Couturier and 2-3 first rounder or it isn’t worth it to them.

Posted by timbits on 07/23/12 at 12:57 PM ET

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“Holmgren and his Nashville counterpart, David Poile, have talked “just once” since restricted free-agent Shea Weber signed a 14-year, $110 million contract with Philadelphia on Wednesday.

That fuels speculation that Nashville is thinking about sending Weber, arguably the league best all-around defenseman, to the Flyers in a trade.

If Nashville was going to match the offer, there would be no need for Poile to confer with Holmgren.”


Sorry, but did anybody read what’s fueling this speculation? Carchidi’s evidence doesn’t at all support his conclusion. A single phone call isn’t sufficient to hash out a trade and there are any number of reasons to call a general manager who has offer sheeted one of your players, including to just say “eff you.”

I don’t know what Nashville does or doesn’t do, but Carchidi’s doing a lot of 1+1=3.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/23/12 at 02:25 PM ET

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My guess is Nashville will ask for Couturier and 2-3 first rounder or it isn’t worth it to them.

I disagree.

Right now Nashville is 13.5 million below the cap floor. They only have four defencemen under contract and could look to add a top six winger (unless you are thrilled with Nick Spaling as your guy).  That means should the Predators match the offer, they will get roughly 8 million towards the cap floor, but be paying 27 million in actual dollars.  Then they still need to get a sixth defenceman and a top six winger.  They will have to spend at least 5.5 million on those two players (or more players).  All told, if they get to the cap floor, they will actually be spending about 75 million this year should they match the offer sheet.  I don’t think they can afford to do this. 

So the trade situation looks pretty good right now:  Send Meszaros, Voracek, Bourdon & Walker back for three of the four first round picks.  This gives Nashville a quality defenceman in Meszaros (4MM Cap hit), a better prospect in Bourdon (1MM) and a top-six winger in Voracek (3MM) that will get them within about 3.5 million of the cap floor.  That is one signing away.  And in this scenario, they would only be spending 54 million as opposed to 75 with Weber in the mix.

Posted by ProjectMayhem on 07/23/12 at 03:29 PM ET

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I disagree.

Posted by ProjectMayhem on 07/23/12 at 02:29 PM ET

I think Nashville will need to get some star power back with the losses they have endured this offseason. Couturier is the one that could balance the loss of Weber.

Posted by timbits on 07/23/12 at 08:49 PM ET

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