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Video- Getzlaf Hit On Hamhuis

Bob McKenzie tweets....

Many have asked if I thought the Getzlaf hit on Hamhuis is suspendable. First, let me say I hate to see any player in distress like Hamhuis.

Next let me say NHL, IMO, wouldn’t even consider a suspension for hit like that. Should it, though? That can’t be answered in 140 characters

Reports are Hamhuis should be fine.

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Hank1974's avatar

This is one hit where I could agree that the victim is the one who caused his own demise.
Getzlaf came in looking for the hit. But he stopped taking strides by the hashmarks, and was a split second from delivering a head-on-head hit when Hamhuis turned his body.
And even then, his shoulder appears to hit Hamhuis’s shoulder. It was just that Hammy’s head hit the glass from the impact.

In this case, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hamhuis realized he needed to get the puck back the other way, because throwing it forward could lead to a turnover, so he sacrificed the hit to make that play.

There was no penalty on the play and this is one scenario where I think that was the right call.

Posted by Hank1974 on 02/10/11 at 10:43 AM ET

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I should add that Hamhuis TWICE looked and saw Getzlaf coming and still turned his body at the last minute.
If Getzlaf wanted to destroy Hamhuis he could have done it in much worse way.
If this was Matt Cooke or Colby Armstrong, they would have continued taking strides and then leapt at the point of impact.
Getzlaf does none of these things. He stopped skating well before getting behind the net and then delivered a shoulder-to-shoulder hit.

Posted by Hank1974 on 02/10/11 at 10:46 AM ET

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He very clearly left his feet to deliver this hit.  That is the only dirty part of it though.  Suspendable?  No, but it should have been 5 for charging.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 02/10/11 at 11:03 AM ET

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He definitely left his feet, but they were planted during the point of impact.
I’ve seen this in the past and I’m usually uncertain whether they left the ice because of the impact type, or because they meant to propel themselves.
In this case, I’m still not sure if him leaving his feet was on purpose or based on the reaction of the hit.

Posted by Hank1974 on 02/10/11 at 11:11 AM ET

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He very clearly left his feet to deliver this hit.  That is the only dirty part of it though.  Suspendable?  No, but it should have been 5 for charging.

Getzlaf’s feet were in the air only after he made contact with Hamhuis and tripped over his skattes.  When i see the video, he is not leaving his feet to make the hit.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/10/11 at 11:12 AM ET

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He got the elbow up, which is typical of him. I hate that kind of hit. Still, it wasn’t overtly dirty. Suspending based on outcome of the hit rather than the hit itself is a bad idea.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 02/10/11 at 11:13 AM ET

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Nothing dirty about that hit other than wondering why Getzlaf decided to to to make contact high.  Even then, that’s not much of an argument.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/10/11 at 11:18 AM ET

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Paul you are not aware of any other games other than the ducks games…. you watch them intently to be the first to post about anything to stir up rage.

You sit intently watching each ducks game so you can post the very latest penalty of any duck.  The fact that you try to hide it is hilarious.  Getzlaf, Perry, Parros… it doesn’t matter.  You know more people on this board dislike the ducks than like them, and it is a cheap thrill for you to see so many posts to your threads.

Woooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Where the GM likes his team. on 02/10/11 at 11:48 AM ET

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Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/10/11 at 08:12 AM ET

Despite all his crazy talk the last few days, I agree with GTL on this one.

This is the kind of hit you don’t want to lose. I can understand some arguments than say this could’ve been a minor penalty, but definitely not a suspension, not even a major, and not even a double-minor.

Even the argument for a penalty at all is a little strained. He came off his feed and the elbow came through, but both happened after initial contact. I could buy that Getzlaf could’ve controlled his elbow on the follow-through, and as a result, deserved two minutes.

Hamhuis definitely saw him coming, but decided to take a hit to make a play. In one sense, good on him for not shying away and likely turning the puck over if he had just buried himself.

Like Mickey Redmond always says, this is the type of hit that should be legal, and if you want to keep the ferocity of these hits to a dull roar, the league needs to start letting guys get the “lumber” (or composite) up to protect themselves without fear of a high-sticking penalty.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 02/10/11 at 11:48 AM ET

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Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Kstewy16’s sandy vag on 02/10/11 at 08:48 AM ET

You win the Internets.

Posted by Incognetis from Delaware... Hi... I'm in... Delaware on 02/10/11 at 12:41 PM ET

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It doesn’t matter if his feet where on the ice a the moment of contact.  Just that he leapt at him.  That makes it a charge (go read rule 42.1). 

Now, lots of officials will overlook something like that, going both ways, to maintain the flow of the game.  That’s their call —I usually don’t agree with it.  (The ref’s first responsibility is player safety, not game flow.)  Bu I understand that it’s a legitimate way to manage the game.

It’s not interference as he had just released the puck.  I think rule 48 doesn’t apply as the principle point of contact is not the head.

What to do?  Warn him, privately, that he was on the edge there and can’t go further.

Posted by Vagabond Jim on 02/10/11 at 01:05 PM ET

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His feet left the ice only after impact, it happens on almost every hit and it is a case of momentum, not leaping. He hits him square with the shoulder and the elbow comes up only after the follow through. The hit wasn’t even particularly late since he hits him just after he releases the puck and he coasted into the play from the ouset.  It is actually a pretty innocuous hockey play that ended badly. The outrage is because of the outcome, not because of the hit.

My question is whether or not there is seamless glass in Vancouver?

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 02/10/11 at 01:17 PM ET

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Woooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure everyone understands your sarcasm. 

Look at the time stamp 9:10 pm on the Cooke posting.  The penguin game was not even over yet… and the player Tyutin was not hurt, but for some reason the Cooke hit was already up on KK for everyone to bitch about.

Now, look at the time stamp on the Hamhuis hit.  7:38 am the next day.... and Hamhuis is hurt from the hit.

These hits happen in every game.  But for some reason when anything happens involving a penguin, it is up within seconds and people from all over are discussing it.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/10/11 at 02:15 PM ET

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Vancouver switched to acrylic panels that are supposed to have more flexion and can cushion a player who’s been taken hard into the boards, but that may not be enough when it is the head and not body absorbing the impact.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 02/10/11 at 02:15 PM ET

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Not sure everyone understands your sarcasm. 

Look at the time stamp 9:10 pm on the Cooke posting.  The penguin game was not even over yet… and the player Tyutin was not hurt, but for some reason the Cooke hit was already up on KK for everyone to bitch about.

Now, look at the time stamp on the Hamhuis hit.  7:38 am the next day…. and Hamhuis is hurt from the hit.

These hits happen in every game.  But for some reason when anything happens involving a penguin, it is up within seconds and people from all over are discussing it.

Stop your complaining already! If you go to any hockey blog or hockey website worth it’s weight, you’ll see that there are multiple stories about Cook, his hits, and what an *#$%@& he is.
Are you scouring the internets looking for those articles as well so you can spread your propaganda about how Cooke doesn’t deserver this kind of treatment?

What’s next? Are you going to start raving about how Lindsey Lohan is unfairly targeted and that she doesn’t deserve the negative attention she’s getting.

Cooke is a repeat, repeat, repeat offender. He ended Marc Savard’s career with a cowardly and disrespectful hit.
So NO GUFF there’s going to be an extra spotlight on whatever he does. And he doesn’t help matters when he continues to deliver dangerous hits.
He did two in back-to-back games for crying out loud! And you’re upset that Paul merely posts news that is interesting for everyone???
TSN, The Hockey News, Puck Daddy, they’re all talking about it.

Looks like YOU’RE the one who’s obsessed. If you don’t like what’s being posted here then take a hike!

Man, you’re like a 4-year-old brat. Stop your bitching already and find another blog to annoy.

You’re like the Matt Cooke of hockey blog members. Go pester someone else, or go back to your Pens boards where you can all lick each others butts and tell everyone how it tastes so good.

Posted by Hank1974 on 02/10/11 at 02:41 PM ET

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Now, look at the time stamp on the Hamhuis hit.  7:38 am the next day…. and Hamhuis is hurt from the hit.

Look at the time stamp on the game itself.  Ducks/Canucks game that didn’t start until 10:00 in the Eastern time zone.  The hit took place about two hours after that, in the third period.

Maybe, juuuuuust maybe Paul occasionally sleeps?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/10/11 at 02:44 PM ET

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Man, you’re like a 4-year-old brat. Stop your bitching already and find another blog to annoy.

You’re like the Matt Cooke of hockey blog members. Go pester someone else, or go back to your Pens boards where you can all lick each others butts and tell everyone how it tastes so good.

wow!

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/10/11 at 02:47 PM ET

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GTL, one question for you.

Why didn’t you post the video of the Getzlaf hit in the KK members blog?

It was probably available at 1am ET.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/10/11 at 02:53 PM ET

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While I agree that suspensions should be more evenly handled, with superstars getting no favorable treatment over bottom-six grinders as far as it comes to meting out punishment, I actually like the concept of repeat offenders (which is what Cooke is) getting harsher penalties than first-timers.

That’s why Cooke got suspended four games while perhaps a guy without that history getting more.  If you go out and rob a bank today and then serve 2 years and get off on parole and then go rob another bank and get out seven years later on another parole and then rob a third bank, you’re going away for life.  Punishments should increase in severity based on the history of the player, They should start more severe than they are now, sure, but by the time you get to the third suspension, you’re no longer warning players about the dangers of playing dirty, you’re trying to keep the dirty player away from the league long enough so that he’s not the victim of a retaliatory strike (and to let teams know that if they don’t reign in his out-of-control dirty behavior that they’re going to end up paying salary against the cap into the Player’s Emergency Relief Fund for a guy doing nothing to help the team while he’s sidelined for 20-30 games.

The only similarity between the Cooke hit and the Getzlaf hit is that there’s arguable evidence that the player put himself in a position to be hurt, except I would say that Hamhuis absolutely did turn at the very last moment, while Tyutin had his back turned the entire time.  As a biased Red Wings fan who severely dislikes Getzlaf and has more reason to hate the Ducks than the Penguins, I think the time difference between when a guy would have been able to recognize he’s running a player’s number looks very large.  While Cooke had time skating in from the blue line to decide how he was going to plaster Tyutin in the numbers, Getzlaf was aimed squarely at a shoulder check on Hamhuis from five feet away as Hamhuis turned away from the contact he saw coming.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/10/11 at 03:23 PM ET

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GTL, one question for you.

Why didn’t you post the video of the Getzlaf hit in the KK members blog?

It was probably available at 1am ET.

Honestly, I was not awake at that time and I don’t blog.  I also was not aware of a kk members blog.

For the record, I was merely defending my position I had two nights ago to the poster who thought it was funny to be sarcastic about my previous post.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/10/11 at 03:24 PM ET

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That’s why Cooke got suspended four games while perhaps a guy without that history getting more.

Oops…

How about: “That’s why Cooke got suspended four games while perhaps a guy without that history wouldn’t have gotten as much, if anything.”

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/10/11 at 03:24 PM ET

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I friggin’ hate Getzlaf and think he has little respect for anyone but… god, Hamhuis made his own problem there.

Getzlaf wanted to hit him to hit him, because he wasn’t turned when he hit him, and quite frankly because he legally could.  Hamhuis turns last second and… well you see what happened,

‘nuff said.

In other news, GTL has returned from his jerkatorium… yay us.

Posted by Primis on 02/10/11 at 03:33 PM ET

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The hit wasn’t dirty.  If Hamhuis accepted the contract rather than trying to spin away from it he wouldn’t have been knocked out, and it’s not like Getzlaf got to him really late, or even late at all.

To try and compare this hit to any of the half-dozen or so assaults Cooke has performed out on the ice under the guise of being a pro hockey player is beyond ludicrous.

Since Cooke’s now on the NHL’s radar, finally, I would expect his suspensions to start increasing in length as he continues to be a dirty, vicious player.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 02/10/11 at 03:42 PM ET

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In other news, GTL has returned from his jerkatorium… yay us.

Its funny… I never looked at myself as the type of person that would get so many people angry.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/10/11 at 03:49 PM ET

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Right, so this way players who have no history of questionable hits can go all out and attempt to injure anyone, knowing that the punishment wont be severe the first time around.
Good thinking. 
Thinking like this is why blue collar crime that ruins peoples lives puts corporate assholes in jail for months, while a guy growing a little weed in his basement in jail for years.

One set of rules for all, this isnt the criminal justice system, its the NHL, make everyone pay the same who wants to commit an offense.

You have absolutely no grasp on reality…

Tell me something, if it is such a problem that repeat offenders get more suspension time from the NHL (as is the rule right now), then why is it that there is currently nothing regarding a controversy I can find anywhere where a guy has gone out ot injure a guy with his “first-time offender” status as the reason he’s assaulted a guy?

The difference between why very rich people get more lenient punishment than very poor people when it comes to similar crimes has much less to do with how many offenses they’ve committed and much more to do with how much money they have. 

This example would be more handily used as a valid complaint against superstars getting lighter treatment than low-rent grinders than some pointless missive about the dangers of acting more harshly toward repeat offenders.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that punishments should start off much more severe?

That would mean that the “first-time offender” I was talking about would be running out there to use his beneficial status to only get a ten game suspension instead of twenty… nobody’s going to want to face that ten-game suspension because it’s lighter.  It’s absolutely ridiculous to think that.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/10/11 at 03:55 PM ET

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Yes, after playing hockey for many years, born and raised in Canada, and having dual citizenship, lived in 5 NHL cities across North America and having spent close to 50 yrs watching and/or playing hockey, I have no grasp.
I guess the most knowledgable people in the game are from Kansas

It’s been a long time since the fact I live in Kansas has been used against me in an argument.  I thought hockey fans were getting better about stereotyping people, but you can’t get to everybody, I guess.  If it’s your opinion that somebody who lives in Kansas can’t possibly know hockey as well as you can, then I feel terribly sorry for you.

So it needs to happen in order for it to be a topic of discussion?

Yes it needs to happen in order to be a topic of discussion.  If that is your example of the horrible things that will happen if your way isn’t adopted, how come it hasn’t been a topic of discussion for having happened in all of the years the alternative has been the norm?  You’re saying that punishing repeat offenders more harshly than first-timers will lead to a horrible spate of violence by first-timers and that has historically been proven absolutely false.  There is no evidence to support this claim.

What dont you understand about the NHL, the league, as a whole, needs to have a set number of suspensionable games for each incident?
Players would think twice then.

We actually agree on this point, which is why it’s so confusing that you went off in the first place.  I don’t know how much more clearly I can say this.  Perhaps if I took out advertisements in all of the cities you’ve claimed to live in, you’ll get it through your skull.

START THE SUSPENSIONS AT A MUCH MORE SEVERE LEVEL, THEN INCREASE THEM TO EVEN MORE SEVERE FOR REPEAT OFFENDERS.

Under what I’m saying, first-time offenders don’t get off light.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/10/11 at 04:25 PM ET

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Seriously guys, enough is enough! The next one of you that talks poorly about Lindsey Lohan is getting an ass whoopin’!

Posted by kcameron from Portland OR on 02/10/11 at 04:34 PM ET

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Actually not a lot of Canucks fan are calling for a suspension.  On the other hand, many would not go as far to call the hit ‘clean’.  It is borderline legal, as it does match quite well the definition of boarding: “checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards”.  It is not ‘clean’ in the sense that Getzlaf hit in a manner that ensure maximum damage by using his shoulder to press Hamhuis into the boards.

Posted by Kel on 02/10/11 at 05:15 PM ET

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The player should learn from the first suspension and if he does not, which I really dont see happening, institute a ban from the game

You do realize that this is increasing the punishment for repeat offenders, right?

just knowing that you wont be dealt with as harshly as a player who has a history of cheap shots is a recipe for disaster just waiting too happen.

Ten games is pretty freaking harsh.  I don’t think you’re going to get guys who are going to say “oh, well I can go knee-on-knee with this guy that I don’t like because I’m a first-time offender who will only get ten games instead of twenty.”

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/10/11 at 05:16 PM ET

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I dont want to see a player killed or maimed in the league, and feel like thats exactly what will happen someday, and that will be the day the league says enough is enough.

Maybe tonight, maybe in Dec 2016, just the odds it could happen seem greater when the suspension for questionable hits are a few thousand dollars and a few games.

Crack down already and change the thinking of players, tell them to hit all they want and hit hard, just try and make sure the second you apply the hit the player being hit is not in a position where his neck could snap or serious injury could happen.


Nice that we’ve found the common ground.  I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/10/11 at 05:42 PM ET

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THIS is a textbook example of the player turning his back on his opponent just before contact is made.  IMO there is no penalty or any other consequence here.  to me, it’s like “keep your head up.”  if you get blasted from the front and are knocked silly because you were staring at your skate laces, don’t go complaining to anyone about it.

But for some reason when anything happens involving a penguin, it is up within seconds and people from all over are discussing it.

you understand time zones, right?

what time (on Paul’s clock) did that hit happen?

and the Cooke hit happened at about 730pm.  7pm game time, hit was at about the 14 minute mark of the first period.  so it was over an hour and a half before it was posted, not seconds.

but anyway….there are already 10 posts up today and more to come.  there are TONS of posts on KK about MANY different things.  just because you’re a homer and only see the Penguins post doesn’t mean anyone else has it in for the Penguins.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 02/10/11 at 06:31 PM ET

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The 2 hits are similiar, not in a lot of ways, but some ways, and the player who put himself in the position to be plastered into the boards is partly at fault, these players know what could happen, so why even take a chance at it happening?

this is absolute nonsense.  you think there is a similarity between the two following events?

- a player follows his opponent from directly behind him for about 100 feet, from before they even entered the zone; his opponent never faces him at any time; he intentionally avoids another player from the opposing team; he blasts his opponent into the glass face first, hitting him squarely in the numbers

AND

- a player glides around behind the net; he is skating parallel to the boards; he is skating head on toward his opponent; his opponent turns at the LAST SECOND; he hits his opponent in the shoulder

umm, ok.  yeah those are similar.  wow.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 02/10/11 at 06:34 PM ET

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