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Video- Curtis Glencross Push The Latest Bad Hit Example

Just about every night a hit like this makes me shake my head and wonder if they will ever stop.

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Hank1974's avatar

Another dangerous hit by a marginal player.
I’m sure the NHL won’t let us down and do what it always does - nothing.

Posted by Hank1974 on 01/20/11 at 11:05 AM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Until good ol Colie starts putting some real financial pain into the suspension/fines; nothing will change.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 01/20/11 at 11:13 AM ET

Primis's avatar

Why should they stop, Paul?

The punishment is inconsequential to these guys.  A couple of games here, a couple of games there…. and fine here, a fine there.  Until they triple or quadruple the suspensions and fines, players won’t care and won’t live in fear of doing it.

Posted by Primis on 01/20/11 at 11:13 AM ET

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Sadly the fines are capped as per the CBA. If the NHL is going to increase the fines, they have to renegotiate the max amount in the next CBA.

Sadly again, I really don’t see any real solution to stopping/preventing these types of hits.

Posted by thehuds on 01/20/11 at 11:19 AM ET

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You’re on the money Primis.
How many times do we have to see these hits before Gary and the league realize Collie’s wheel of discipline are NOT working! It’s blatantly obvious!

Start throwing the book at these kinds of hits. No more 1 game or 2 games. 10 games, or 20 games should cover it.

Or how about upping the ante and start coming down on TEAMS that are repeat offenders.
Because of Kostopolous’ hit, the Flames should be fined a huge amount, or Glencross’ suspension should be double because the team is a repeat offender.

Anytime you see a guy push someone from behind, into the boards, it should be an automatic 10 game suspension regardless if there’s an injury or not.
That could quite possibly be the most dangerous play in all sports.

Posted by Hank1974 on 01/20/11 at 11:26 AM ET

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Totally agree with you Paul. That’s why I am a big fan of rule 48, and even think that it should be expanded to act more like high-sticking—intent becomes irrelevant for all hits to the head, not just blind-side or lateral.

I know it may shake up some of the physical element we all love, but the last three or four years, hits like this are almost a nightly occurrence. At the very least, you can point to a couple of these per week.

Concussions are a big deal. Even “minor” ones… just take a look at how many games Crosby has missed for what was deemed “minor” and is still being called “minor” by the Penguins despite the time he’s missing.

Time to deal with this properly. I love hitting and physical hockey, but c’mon, head injuries are way more important.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 01/20/11 at 11:38 AM ET

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Agreed Nathan.
There’s a big difference between physical hockey and dangerous hockey.
You can still have big hits without the need to murder someone.

What’s kind of funny is that if you watch hockey from the 70’s through today, the game wasn’t nearly as physical (hitting wise - fighting was another story).
The game has never been filled with more bone rattling hits. So I think we’d still see a lot of that, but these dangerous plays, and especially hits to the head need to be removed entirely.

Like you said, treat it like high-sticking. There’s a reason that rule was put into play.
With NBC coming on board, and the Winter Classic bringing in more fans, the league has to make sure the product is exciting but also safe.
You can’t expose a new wave of fans to a game that might feature a death. And that reality seems to be closer every day.

Posted by Hank1974 on 01/20/11 at 11:57 AM ET

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Hope Stoner is okay because that was such a dangerous play.

I’m a huge fan of Glencross. The energy and intensity he brings night in and night out is awesome. But this is just a bad decision. Kevin Weekes is dead on and Glencross should definitely know better. I hope the league does the right thing (GOGO Wheel O’ Justice!) and suspends him for at least 5 games which, by current standards, would probably be appropriate.

I don’t think fining the team n a situation like this would really be appropriate. The players are the ones making the decisions on the ice, so I definitely think harsher punishments are justified there. Longer suspensions and, if the next CBA allows it, stiffer fines would certainly go a long way to curbing bad hits.

Posted by Iggy Rules on 01/20/11 at 11:58 AM ET

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As long as players know they can knock an opponent out of the game for weeks with little more than a slap on the wrist, it will continue. 

Basically, everything that’s already been said.  Harsher penalties for the offending player.

Get rid of the intention BS.  High sticking works great, because it doesn’t matter if there was intention.  It happened, or it didn’t. Get rid of the subjective judgment call on these hits and hits to the head. Make punishment predictable, consistent and severe, and it won’t happen.

Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 01/20/11 at 12:07 PM ET

hockeychic's avatar

I am wondering if there will be a suspension.  They said Stoner was back on the bench.  If he’s not injured, will that weigh in to the decision?  Probably.  That’s a dangerous hit and just plain stupid.

Posted by hockeychic from Denver, CO on 01/20/11 at 12:26 PM ET

Teddybear's avatar

Long suspensions (and the subsequent loss of salary) seem to be the only way to get rid of these hits. Just fines won’t do it, see NFL.

Posted by Teddybear from Sweden on 01/20/11 at 12:37 PM ET

SYF's avatar

It’s a dangerous hit but ole Colie boy just isn’t going to balls up.

Posted by SYF from Alana Blanchard's Bikinis and Surfboards on 01/20/11 at 01:12 PM ET

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The way coaches look at these hits, they see it as playing “hard” and “on edge”, so a coach isn’t exactly going to discourage the player from them either.  They’ll instead defend their player.

And a player looks at it as “I lose a game or two (maybe), and in the meantime I get in Coach’s good graces”.

Only way that changes is when the Coach realizes he’s losing a player for 10 games, not 1 or 2.  They have to make it have the ramifications of the selfish play it is.

Maybe they need to fine the coach every… single.. time in addition to the player.  Make it cost the coach too.  THEN…. then I bet these hits magically disappear because players then fear of costing the head coach money.

Posted by Primis on 01/20/11 at 01:33 PM ET

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Garbage hit. Absolute garbage hit.

The disciplinary staff in this league is not cutting it. Nobody’s learning a thing. Give Glencross a $500,000 fine. A plugger like him will certainly notice that.

Posted by StevieSteve on 01/20/11 at 01:49 PM ET

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Maybe instead of fining the players, the league should fine the team. Let the team discipline the player in the form of scratches, demotions, etc. The individual should still get the suspension and forfeit money to the player relief fund, but fine the team.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 01/20/11 at 02:20 PM ET

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I know I’m going to hear it from people, but here goes.  At some point the player with the puck has to be held accountable too.  I’m not saying that every guy who get’s hit from behind can protect themselves.  But if you watch Stoner retrieving the puck, he doesn’t give himself an angle to escape a hit.  He skates straight at the puck.  Secondly, he tries to lift the stick of Glencross instead of worrying about the puck and himself.  Agree, it has to be a major and Glencross cannot follow through on the hit. But I also think we’re teaching kids to leave themselves exposed from behind, because if you do get hit, it’s a penalty.  I’m glad Stoner is OK, but learn to protect yourself.

Posted by wolverine on 01/20/11 at 02:29 PM ET

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