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Watch the hit below Tortorella is referring to. Brroks Orpik did get 5 for kneeing and a game.

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*Slow clap…

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 04/06/12 at 01:05 AM ET

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Tortorella has had more than his fair share of questionable moments, but he’s totally right here. If Crosby or Malkin was on the receiving end of that hit, Lemieux would be back to the calling the NHL a garage league and there’d be gnashing of teeth and rending of garments in Pittsburgh. Just totally uncalled for and classless by Orpik.

Posted by Dan from Pittsburgh, PA on 04/06/12 at 01:14 AM ET

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**** everyone. It’s roster jealousy. That’s the root of all Penguins hate. Bad hit? Yes. Suspendable? No. Stepan moved at last moment. Orpik hasn’t had any discipline since the Cole incident in 2006. Nothing to see here.

Posted by cs6687 on 04/06/12 at 01:18 AM ET

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Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 04/05/12 at 11:05 PM ET

For what?  Looking like a hypocrite?

The penalty was a good call by the refs.  Knee on knees just shouldn’t happen, unfortunately they do, but we will see what the league has to say about this. 

Really hoping this becomes a nightly routine with the coaches that go against the Pens.  Hoping to see it 17 more times this year.  In the end, it accomplishes nothing for Torterella, so why do it?  Congrats on motivating the Pens best 2 players if either team makes it that far.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/06/12 at 01:20 AM ET

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Given Brooks Oprik’s long history of trying to injure and even kill players, he should be suspended for at least 60 games.  I have a long memory and remember him skating half the length of the rink to drive Erik Cole head first into the end boards.  He broke his neck.  If Cole had been a normal human being, he would be a paraplegic now.  I have had less than no use for Oprik ever since.  He is pond scum and does not belong in the NHL. 

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Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 04/06/12 at 01:27 AM ET

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Hahaha. I never get tired of the Tortorella soundbites. Of course he happens to be absolutely correct here, too.

Orpik hasn’t had any discipline since the Cole incident in 2006. Nothing to see here.

He has a pretty goddamned long history of dirty hits though, and this one on Stepan is a good way to possibly ruin a guys’ career. Orpik is a punk-ass and that hit should be worth 5 games in the press box.

Posted by godblender on 04/06/12 at 01:33 AM ET

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Given Brooks Oprik’s long history of trying to injure and even kill players, he should be suspended for at least 60 games

Are you being serious??  Stephan moves into this hit.  There is no way this should be suspendable.  I think the penalty is questionable.  Orpik has him lined up and Stephan moves out of the way.

Orpiks hit on Cole was 5 years ago.  Long history???

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/06/12 at 01:33 AM ET

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He has a pretty goddamned long history of dirty hits though, and this one on Stepan is a good way to possibly ruin a guys’ career. Orpik is a punk-ass and that hit should be worth 5 games in the press box.

Posted by godblender on 04/05/12 at 11:33 PM ET

Please cite and provide video of his long history of dirty hits excluding the Cole hit from six fricken years ago. If it’s so documented, I want to see proof.

Posted by cs6687 on 04/06/12 at 01:36 AM ET

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Please cite and provide video of his long history of dirty hits excluding the Cole hit from six fricken years ago. If it’s so documented, I want to see proof.

You are now about to get a video clip of orpik hitting a redwing in a preseason game from 2 years ago in 3….2…..1

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/06/12 at 01:39 AM ET

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Brooks Orpik history: Only one suspension. That was the Cole hit. Orpik is not a dirty player.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=2190

Posted by cs6687 on 04/06/12 at 01:40 AM ET

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Oh snap that was rather easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08q-kYPbfIs

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 04/06/12 at 01:41 AM ET

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So two questionable hits in eight or nine years? Hardly a dirty player. But since he has a Penguin on his sweater, he’s a scumbag. Got it. He’s no worse or better than Kronwall.

Posted by cs6687 on 04/06/12 at 01:46 AM ET

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Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/05/12 at 11:39 PM ET

You’re a genius! You’re so smart!

And since you’re so smart, you must like the Penguins. The arrogance! They never do anything wrong.


And other sarcastic bullshit.

But in all seriousness…you’re the one whom brought it up…so it’s obvious it’s on your mind.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 04/06/12 at 01:46 AM ET

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Posted by cs6687 on 04/05/12 at 11:46 PM ET

When has Kronwall EVER delivered a knee on knee hit?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 04/06/12 at 01:47 AM ET

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Stephan moves into this hit

Learn how to watch man.  This is the worst knee I have ever seen.  Full speed.  Utter intent to injure.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 04/06/12 at 01:49 AM ET

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Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/05/12 at 11:33 PM ET

Of course he should be suspended but he won’t be because Pens never get suspended.  Honestly I can’t blame the refs for the major, it was a good call.  In real time, they saw a questionable collision and it looked like Stepan was done for the game.  I thought tonight’s game was one of the more well refereed games of the year. 

Posted by DocF on 04/05/12 at 11:27 PM ET

The hit on Cole is long enough ago that he isn’t a repeat offender, just like Bertuzzi and his hit from last year.  Orpik and Kronwall are very similar players, the only difference being the jerseys they wear.

I wouldn’t be so perplexed by Torterella if he came out and said that the league should suspend 44.  That’s his job as a coach.  To go out of your way to call out Crosby and Malkin?  Did I miss something during the game?  Crosby had Girardi and Dubinsky taking the body on him all night.  I’m sure there were slashes back and forth, but it didn’t seem like Crosby overly whined any tonight.  As far as Malkin goes, he may be dirty, but whining from him would be a first.  Guess Torterella didn’t want to steal Lavolette’s words.  Like I said, if these 2 teams potentially meet in the playoffs, which would be waaaaaay down the road, this just provides bulletin board material which is stupid on Torterella’s part.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/06/12 at 01:50 AM ET

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This is the worst knee I have ever seen

Actually, never seen that one on Franzen, but it’s close.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 04/06/12 at 01:51 AM ET

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Orpik has him lined up and Stephan moves out of the way.

And so he hung the knee.  That’s when you do it.  When you get deked.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 04/06/12 at 01:53 AM ET

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Posted by tuxedoTshirt from home of the 1925 Stanley Cup Champs on 04/05/12 at 11:49 PM ET

If that’s the worst knee on knee you have ever seen, you must have just started watching hockey tonight.  Hell, it’s not even the worst knee on knee by a Pens player in their history, let alone the NHL’s

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/06/12 at 01:55 AM ET

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Not that that absolves Orpik btw.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/06/12 at 01:56 AM ET

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When has Kronwall EVER delivered a knee on knee hit?

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 04/05/12 at 11:47 PM ET

And when has Orpik left his feet to drill someone? My point was Orpik and Kronwall are similar players in the sense they are both strong-skating, physical defenseman who throw big hits but have a reputation of being dirty. That’s what I meant.

Posted by cs6687 on 04/06/12 at 02:06 AM ET

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Have we forgotten about Rupps hit on Staal. I think we have

Posted by DAVE on 04/06/12 at 02:07 AM ET

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Have we forgotten about Rupps hit on Staal. I think we have

I never thought of that as a dirty hit and I also don’t think of orpik as a dirty player. Every once in a while throughout a career a player is going to have a questionable hit.  This is not a blatant elbow or even knee, this is a player at the last moment changing his path to avoid a hit and takes a knee on knee hit.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/06/12 at 02:18 AM ET

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When has Kronwall EVER delivered a knee on knee hit?

Nah, just flying elbows to the chin, which are totally safer than knees and not remotely cheap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7U3MYd5Rcw

At least Orpik doesn’t turtle to escape the wrath of AHL skill players like Corry Potter or spend the rest of the game throwing the puck to the other team so fearsome monsters like Daniel Briere don’t have a chance to line him up after he does something stupid.


Anyways, did I miss something, or did Malkin start talking to referees and reporters about grievances on a regular basis?

Posted by larry from pitt on 04/06/12 at 02:22 AM ET

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So his arm is tucked in,  yet that’s an elbow?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 04/06/12 at 02:27 AM ET

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some time knee to knee hit happen. Rupp put Staal out for a month. Rupp is not a dirty palyer, he got two minutes for kneeing   Orpik got 5 and a game misconduct as he should have but Torterella is way over board on his comments.

Posted by Randy from Butler PA on 04/06/12 at 02:47 AM ET

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Torterella is way over board on his comments

That’s new.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 04/06/12 at 02:52 AM ET

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Torterella is way over board on his comments

 

That’s new.


Not to anyone with logic and objectivity. If he wants to address the Orpik hit, that’s fine. But to bring Sid and Geno into it when there were no incidents involving either of them tonight, it’s turns into an irrational, heat-of-the-moment rant. Three idiotic comments (Laviolette, Berube, Tortorella) have riled the masses and refueled the Penguins hate, most, if not all, of which is ridiculous (Sid whines, Pens tanked for draft picks, Pens fans being bandwagon fans are all ridiculously shortsighted theories).

Posted by cs6687 on 04/06/12 at 03:23 AM ET

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(Sid whines, Pens tanked for draft picks, Pens fans being bandwagon fans are all ridiculously accurate statements).

Fixed.

Posted by godblender on 04/06/12 at 03:58 AM ET

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Posted by cs6687 on 04/06/12 at 01:23 AM ET

Hey, I feel that pain.  I’m a Nuck bitch.  At least the media assassination didn’t cost you the cup.

I just meant that Torts being overboard is about notable as Cherry’s schtick.  Helluva coach though, and ballsy - no $30,000 fine’s gonna muzzle him.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 04/06/12 at 04:27 AM ET

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Pens fan above says,

it didn’t seem like Crosby overly whined any tonight.

Ha ha. Inadvertant admission.

It was a DIRTY hit. Stuck out his knee and injured a guy. Not the first time. Repeat offender? Depends on the definition, but certainly no Lady Bing winner. He WILL get suspended. My guess is 2 games, only because a knee on knee is seen as less intentional/more forgivable than an elbow.

And Tortorella is absolutely right about the Pens being arrogant whiners. The fact that Mario was so vocall the past couple years and still had Cooke on the roster was so hypocritical…. And as evidenced by the Pens Fan’s own comment above, and a basic observation of most f his career, Crosby is a whiner (but he did good tonight!).

Posted by awould on 04/06/12 at 04:29 AM ET

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(Sid whines, Pens tanked for draft picks, Pens fans being bandwagon fans are all ridiculously accurate statements).

Fixed.

Ooooh. Way to prove me wrong. I’ll disspell each one of those real quick..


Sid is a whiner...He’s no different than anyone else on the ice. He’s a competitive guy. He wants to win. He’s being typecast as a whiner for his rookie season. That was only seven years ago. When Toews, Mike Richards, or Lidstrom, for example, has a discussion with an official, they are ‘‘leaders’’ or ‘‘just asking for an explanation’‘? When Sid does it, he’s ‘‘whining.’’ If you really think Sid is the only player who curses or yells at an official when he feels he’s the victim of a penalty, you’re extremely stupid and naive.

Sid is no different than anyone else. No, he’s not a quiet captain like Lidstrom, but that’s not his style. Nobody ever calls Toews or Mike Richards whiners. Just Sid. That is a double standard.


Pens tanked for draft picks...In pre-lockout times, the Penguins were losing money and couldn’t compete or make a profit. That was partly their fault for bad decisions, partly the state of the game and the rising salaries. They couldn’t compete with Detroit, New York, Philadelphia, etc. Why fight a battle you know you’re going to lose? It would be like the Pirates trying to bid for free agents with the Yankees or Phillies.

Jagr and Kovalev were traded, Lemieux retired, Martin Straka moved on. The Pens had made the playoffs for 11 straight seasons. Their run was over. Instead of fighting a losing battle and getting involved in free agency in an era where Bobby Holk was making more than $9 million per season with the Rangers, they chose to rebuild. It wasn’t tanking for draft picks. Why doesn’t anyone ever call out the Islanders for tanking for draft picks? They’ve picked in the top 10 as much as anyone in the last ten years. Are the Oilers tanking for picks now? Funny how no one ever mentions that. Probably because they aren’t winning. The Penguins did the best thing for themselves by choosing to rebuild.

The Penguins are bandwagon fans…Since 89-90, the Penguins averaged less than 14,000 fans only once…

http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/index.php/site/comments/nhl_average_attendance_since_1989_90/118-2008-09

Yes, they were below the league average, but still filling the arena at a very respectable level.

Posted by cs6687 on 04/06/12 at 05:30 AM ET

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Posted by awould on 04/06/12 at 02:29 AM ET

Did Crosby whine more early in career?  Yes, he did.  He does a much better job now.  He’s no worse than any other player now, though no one will admit that.  Most of the people that think he does it all the time are also the ones that don’t understand that its his job to be as a captain to talk to the refs.

Repeat offender? Depends on the definition, but certainly no Lady Bing winner. He WILL get suspended.

Orpik is not a repeat offender.  If it depended on the definition, then Bertuzzi would have gotten suspended last year.  Orpik won’t be suspended.  It looks like Stepan was OK. He got a 5 minute major and a game.  He will most likely get fined like most first time offenders.

The fact that Mario was so vocall the past couple years and still had Cooke on the roster was so hypocritical

Mario was vocal about one thing.  I don’t seem to remember anything.  Having Cooke on the roster is an easy excuse for people.  The Red Wings have Bertuzzi, which is as stupid to bring up in an argument as the Pens have Cooke.  I mean, according to most, teams shouldn’t be afraid of Cooke but Malkin and Crosby.

And as evidenced by the Pens Fan’s own comment above, and a basic observation of most f his career, Crosby is a whiner (but he did good tonight!).

You do a very good job of manipulation.  You would think that on a night when a coach whined about another’s whining, Crosby would have done something extraordinary to deserve.  He did not.  He has not for years.  The only reason anything was said last night was because of the following:
Rangers vs. Flyers - 6-0-0
Rangers vs. Pens - 2-4-0

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/06/12 at 08:28 AM ET

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somethings stunk in pittsburgh ever since the “behind close doors”  lottery pick that gave them crosby in the first damn place.  google it.  seriously messed up

Posted by D-line on 04/06/12 at 10:04 AM ET

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I agree with DocF but instead of 60 games I would like to see 160 games.  This was the most blatant/vicious knee ever delivered in hockey history.  Orpik’s knee actually tripped me also as I was walking from the bathroom to my living room.

Red Wings fans at this point are more focused on the Penguins than their own team.  Of course I don’t blame them as they play like garbage and Lidstrom can’t carry this team anymore.  Their plan of ducking the Predators in the first round may actually work though and Chicago may leapfrog them.

Haters gonna hate

Posted by tbassett on 04/06/12 at 10:13 AM ET

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Very unfortunate hit.

It’s hard to separate being a fan from this, obviously, because if this kind of hit happened to a Penguin, I’m sure I’d be pissed.

It’s happened.

So take this with a grain of salt.

I don’t think Orpik stuck his leg out at the last second.  His body position never really changed the whole time - it was more of Stepan jumping out of the way and Orpik whiffing with his shoulder.

That’s what I get from this, here, anyway.

Again, I could be wrong…but to me, Orpik had that wide stance when he came into the picture, stick out, defending against the pass.  There’s no question he’s coming in for a hit, but his stance never really changes, even when he goes to throw the shoulder into #21, that wide-base is still there.  Stepan dodges the check/Orpik whiffs with the shoulder, their legs connect first, and that’s where the trouble happens.

I’m really trying to be level-headed about it, and I’m in no way saying it wasn’t an illegal hit, because it was (though, five minutes would’ve been the right call…the misconduct was a little much, I think).  To me, it just wasn’t dirty/intentional, just a byproduct of a fast, physical game.

And when this happened to Staal against the Rangers earlier in the year, did Mario call the NHL out on knee-to-knee hits?  Is that why Torts only said “two stars,” because it’s already happened to another one?  Christ, I thought whining about how the Pens are supposedly whiners only happened via Internet trolls that think Crosby “sucks.”

Posted by DocF on 04/05/12 at 11:27 PM ET

So, I’m guessing you felt like Bertuzzi should’ve gotten a 60 game suspension after his dirty hit on Ryan Johnson last year, right? 

You know…since Bertuzzi drove a guy’s head into the ice and paralyzed him 8 years ago.  Right?

Actually, it’d probably be more like a 120 game suspension.  Right?

Get over yourself.

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Meriden, CT on 04/06/12 at 10:50 AM ET

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Like someone said in a earlier post, this was really similar to Mike Rupp’s hit on Staal eariler this year.  Staal missed a bunch of games and no one from the Pens said a word.  This stuff happens. Orpik is not a dirty player either.  Physical and stupid, yes….  If this hit doesn’t happen right before the playoffs, no one says a word.

Posted by nme34 on 04/06/12 at 11:00 AM ET

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Please.  That is not intentional, not suspendable.  Same as Rupp on Staal.  I read comments then watched video.  Expected way worse.

Torts is and has always been a whiner.  Talk about pot calling the kettle. 

Wings fans just as bad as Pens fans and all other passionate fans.  Whine about others, make excuses for their own.

Posted by Jack McFly on 04/06/12 at 11:17 AM ET

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The fact that Mario was so vocall the past couple years and still had Cooke on the roster was so hypocritical….

Mario said this while Cooke sat out for 20 games.  I think we can all agree that Matt Cooke is a different hockey player this year than last.  I see no hypocracy here.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/06/12 at 11:25 AM ET

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What a surprise…..WIngs fans chiming in to whine about the Penguins who are accused of whining about? I’m confused. Torts had nothing, so he made stuff up just so he could have a reason to….whine. I’m seeing a pattern here. The only people not whining are the Pens.

In my humble opinion, if this were a court case for murder, Brooks would be guilty of manslaughter but not first or second degree. No intent to injure but very negligent. Probably worth some money or even a game or two, but really no recent criminal record to use for any more.

Posted by VAHockeyFan on 04/06/12 at 11:30 AM ET

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