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Video- Ryan Miller Returns And Guess What Happened

via TSN,

15:54 Nashville Jordin Tootoo: 5 minutes, charging
15:54 Nashville Jordin Tootoo: 10 minutes, game misconduct
15:54 Buffalo Paul Gaustad: 2 minutes, roughing
15:54 Buffalo Paul Gaustad: 2 minutes, roughing
15:54 Buffalo Paul Gaustad: 10 minutes, misconduct

added 11:45pm, Longer version from Buffalo broadcast team can be watched below…

added 9:00am 12/4/11, Lindy Ruff postgame on the play…

 

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DocF's avatar

If the officials had gotten it right, Gaustad would have been given a stern talking too and a wink of the eye.  Tootoo should never have been able to get up.  That was running the goalie and he should get a very long suspension given his past record.

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 12/04/11 at 01:00 AM ET

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Miller is back…..and played like a beast. Take note haters, one of the best in the league!

Posted by SabresFan on 12/04/11 at 01:12 AM ET

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Ha…Miller going for his face with his glove is priceless.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 12/04/11 at 01:37 AM ET

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If the officials had gotten it right, Gaustad would have been given a stern talking too and a wink of the eye.  Tootoo should never have been able to get up.  That was running the goalie and he should get a very long suspension given his past record.

This.

Posted by Savage Henry on 12/04/11 at 01:39 AM ET

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amen, Gustad should have been allowed to police this turd.  I was behind him for his battles against substance abuse but this is just a dirty dirty play and a dangerous play ESPECIALLY given he just got back from a concussion, could’ve been a career ending play, thankfully it wasn’t.. Tootoo is just garbage.. and he sounded like a dick when he was baggin groceries at the whole foods store too..

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 12/04/11 at 02:32 AM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

Wow. I don’t know what the rest of you are looking at, but stop the video at the :04 mark and you’ll see that Erhoff pushes Tootoo into Miller. After that, Tootoo does everything he can to avoid contact.

There was no penalty here – until everyone jumped Tootoo after the play. Miller alone should have gotten a game misconduct for punching a player that was down while he still had his glove on.

I hate Tootoo as much as anyone, but he got royally shafted on this play.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 12/04/11 at 02:37 AM ET

John W.'s avatar

HAHAHA Miller beat the sh*t outta him.  Guess he wasn’t taking any chances of his teammates not sticking up for him this time.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 12/04/11 at 02:38 AM ET

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Wow. I don’t know what the rest of you are looking at, but stop the video at the :04 mark and you’ll see that Erhoff pushes Tootoo into Miller. After that, Tootoo does everything he can to avoid contact.

Ehrhoff may have touched Tootoo’s back, but it wasn’t a push.  Tootoo was going into Miller either way.  He knew what he was doing.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 12/04/11 at 02:44 AM ET

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Added a longer version of the video to the post.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/04/11 at 02:48 AM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

Added a longer version of the video to the post.

Well that had to be from the Buffalo broadcasters. The “Tootoo made no effort to get out of Miller’s way” line is homerism taken to the extreme.

Ehrhoff may have touched Tootoo’s back, but it wasn’t a push.  Tootoo was going into Miller either way.  He knew what he was doing.

Tootoo was doing was Babcock tells every Red Wing player to do: drive the net. When he lost the puck, he started to pull up but was shoved towards Miller by Erhoff. After that, he actually leaped in the air to avoid hitting him. If you can’t see that, it’s because you’re just looking for an excuse to bash Tootoo.

This is the same kind of “reputation” penalty that Homer gets called for all the time. It’s based on what the ref thinks about the player, not about what actually happened during the play. And the fact that Miller got no penalty at all for what he did is just one more example of that.

Tootoo got tossed from this game because Lucic got away with what he did a few weeks ago. It’s BS. And it does nothing to enhance the credibility of the officiating in the NHL.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 12/04/11 at 02:59 AM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Tootoo is a piece of shit. He had time to adjust his trajectory away from Ryan Miller’s head.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/04/11 at 03:05 AM ET

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After that, he actually leaped in the air to avoid hitting him.

That’s hilarious.  You’re looking for an excuse to defend Tootoo.  He lept to hit Miller high.  You really think he thought he could jump over Miller?  C’mon man.  It’s pretty obvious when you say “stop the video at the :04 mark and you’ll see that Erhoff pushes Tootoo into Miller,” that you’re looking for excuses.  How can you see a push in a stopped video?  Just because Ehrhoff makes contact with Tootoo doesn’t mean he pushed him into Miller.  Tootoo was skating on a path right thru Miller the entire time and never tried to slow down or change his path.  Jumping and hitting Miller high isn’t trying to avoid contact, it’s trying to destroy.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 12/04/11 at 03:15 AM ET

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Tootoo is a piece of shit.

There’s no question about that. But that isn’t the issue here.

He had time to adjust his trajectory away from Ryan Miller’s head.

Well, that’s just wrong, JJ. Look at the video again and pause it at the point where Tootoo is in the air. He actually turns his body away from Miller and crosses in front of him. He did everything he could to minimize the contact.

Everyone here seems to be looking at this through “I hate Tootoo” glasses and not seeing the play itself. Leave that kind of ludicrous hysteria to the Buffalo broadcasters.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 12/04/11 at 03:17 AM ET

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You’re looking for an excuse to defend Tootoo.

I dislike Tootoo as much as anyone here, and always have. But this is one time that I think he tried not to be an ass. You obviously see it differently.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 12/04/11 at 03:22 AM ET

Nate A's avatar

Book ‘em Shan-O

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 12/04/11 at 03:37 AM ET

John W.'s avatar

He actually turns his body away from Miller and crosses in front of him. He did everything he could to minimize the contact.

Again, hitting a guy with your back turned to him doesn’t mean you’re trying to avoid contact.  Just ask Mike Richards and David Booth.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 12/04/11 at 04:02 AM ET

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Again, hitting a guy with your back turned to him doesn’t mean you’re trying to avoid contact.

It does if you’re moving across someone’s body and not directly at him. But we’re obviously going to have to agree to disagree on this whole issue.

My guess is that Shanny will give Tootoo at least a two-game suspension based on reputation alone. And, IMO, that will be just as wrong as the five games he gave to Smith. But I’ll probably get over my distaste for it a lot faster where Tootoo is concerned. smile

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 12/04/11 at 04:17 AM ET

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I don’t know what the rest of you are looking at, but stop the video at the :04 mark and you’ll see that Erhoff pushes Tootoo into Miller.


When I personally push some one, my arms straighten outward not as if I was trying to avoid a boarding call (where Erhoff’s speed and trajectory would have launched Tootoo) where my arms would bend so they didn’t get pushed… but that is just me and physics speaking…

Posted by tkfergy on 12/04/11 at 04:29 AM ET

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Shanny-Sham deserves an assist on Tootoo’s charge. He laid the groundwork when he let Lucic get off with a phone call…

You suck Shanny. Ruff had it right when he declared open season on goalies.

Posted by Marc10 on 12/04/11 at 04:45 AM ET

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Since the stupid NHL already set the bar with the Lucic hit, I don’t see how they could suspend Tootoo. If they do suspend Tootoo then they just look like idiots because the Lucic hit was much worse.

Posted by YYZerman from Detroit, Michigan on 12/04/11 at 05:22 AM ET

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I’ll freely admit that I’d give most other players the benefit of the doubt, but not Tootoo.  He has too big a history of dirty plays followed by the big innocent act. 

Also, I think he was probably ejected as much to help the officials keep control of the game as to punish running Miller.  Gaustad was already pointing at Nashville’s goaltender when he was taken off the ice (before the ejection was announced, I think).  The game would have devolved really quickly if Tootoo wasn’t removed.

Posted by Savage Henry on 12/04/11 at 11:49 AM ET

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Added a video of some post-game audio of Lindy Ruff talking about the incident.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/04/11 at 12:01 PM ET

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The NHL’s real problem is that 29 other teams have to suffer for the NHL’s stubborn refusal to suspend anyone key on the Bruins nomatter who they injure or what stunts they pull after the whistles, especially late in games they’re losing. There’s a rule book they consistently find reasons to ignore when Chara or Lucic is involved. Lucic laughed his butt off after taking Miller out, and he was on the radio on Boston yukking it up mintues BEFORE his hearing with Shanny. He treats league discipline like a joke, a thing that doesn’t ever apply to him nomatter what he does (including sucker punching other players more than once, always without suspension.). He’s right. If Tootoo does get suspended, it’s because of what Lucic did. If he doesn’t, Ruff is completely right and it is open season on goalies. Either way, it’s always open season when you play Boston.

I understand why the NHL wants to please Boston and Philly fans, but whey they want to turn their head office into a blatant joke is less clear to me.

Posted by Bullsmith on 12/04/11 at 02:33 PM ET

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No suspension here. If Tootoo was trying to run the goalie, Miller would be placed on IR this morning. Whether you like him or not, Jordin Tootoo delivers punishing hits. Lucic’s hit was very deliberate, and now that Shanny didn’t pull the trigger his hands are cuffed.

Poor Miller though. The team in front of him is a bunch of pussies. Bruins probably love playing these guys 6 times per year.

Posted by Jesters Dead on 12/04/11 at 04:11 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

He did everything he could to minimize the contact.

The overhead looks like he got his forearm up and hit Miller in the head.  I don’t think he did everything he could to minimize contact.

Like said above, I don’t think Tootoo deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/04/11 at 04:25 PM ET

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Also, Tootoo was just carrying the puck as an excuse to get close enough to Miller to hit him in the head. And clearly the “push” just allowed him to embellish his premeditated plan to hit Miller in the head by jumping up so he could really get his arms behind it. Tootoo is a dirt bag and will always be a dirt bag and clearly did nothing to minimize hitting Miller because that was his sole intention the whole time. Heck, he would have preferred to just charge Miller right off the bench, without the puck, but even Tootoo is not such an animal to think he could get away with that. He is also sneaky enough to realize Miller would probably see him coming.

Note to all defencemen out there ... until they make driving the crease an illegal play altogether, don’t push the guy after he beats you because you are only going to put your goalie in danger.

Had Shanahan done his job and suspended Lucic, the correct call could have been: Erhoff 2 min interference
Tootoo 2 min interference

because that was hockey.

Posted by Shaun from Toronto on 12/04/11 at 04:35 PM ET

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If Shanny (correctly) suspends Tootoo he will likely point to the fact that Tootoo was as deep in the crease as a player can get when he made contact with Miller. Lucic’s hit happened near the face-off dots and I think Shanny will mkae that distinction. I’m not saying it’s right, just the way I think they will see it. Lucic should have gotten suspended but didn’t. If Tootoo walks away it will most certainly be clear that the season on goalies is open…

Posted by Iggy_Rules on 12/04/11 at 07:49 PM ET

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Posted by OlderThanChelios on 12/04/11 at 12:17 AM ET

I have a hard time agreeing with you on this one my man.  At no point in the play was Erhoff in a position to deliver the kind of leverage it would have taken to launch Tootoo like that.  If Tootoo was really trying to avoid Miller he could have gone into the net and avoided contact.  There was no mistake on Tootoo’s part.

I can’t wait until that piece of garbage goes back to the beer leagues where he belongs.  He plays the game like its a sideshow, so let him go somewhere gimmick hockey is appreciated.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 12/05/11 at 03:11 PM ET

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you can see the compression in Tootoo’s legs. He sprung up on Miller. It wasn’t momentum from skating or a push that propelled him toward Miller’s head. Dirty play from a dirty player. He needs to be relieved of his skates.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 12/06/11 at 10:33 AM ET

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