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Video- Raffi Torres Hit On Marian Hossa

added 11:29pm, via Chris Kuc tweet,

Blackhawks winger Marian Hossa has left Northwestern Memorial Hospital. He did not comment to a reporter as he left in a waiting car.


No penalty on the play, Hossa taken off on a stretcher, no update on his condition.

 

added 10:06pm, US national broadcast team with the call below…

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  Tags: marian+hossa, raffi+torres

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Somehow I don’t think there’s a suspension level that would pacify Chicago fans, but you’d have to think that if Torres gets anything less than 5 games Chicago would be incensed. Shaw gets 3 games for largely incidental contact that earlier in the season wasn’t even a fine, and now Torres, a player with a history of questionable hits (to be kind about it) jumps into Hossa late and hits him directly in the head, result in what unfortunately looks to be a pretty significant injury. That said, Shanahan has seemingly lost all credibility and consistency so who knows what will come out of the league office, and Torres for Hossa is probably a trade-off Phoenix would take in a heartbeat.

Posted by Dan from Pittsburgh, PA on 04/17/12 at 11:52 PM ET

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Yikes.  Hossa’s down courtesy of the Human Suspension, and there is NO CALL.  Apparently the NHL needs more than another game or two of playoff gate receipts in Phoenix.  Maybe we can take up a collection for the sake of the game.

Posted by Yimmy from MN on 04/17/12 at 11:54 PM ET

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When will they kick this piece of shit out of the league!

Posted by timbits on 04/17/12 at 11:55 PM ET

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Torres need the Matt Cooke suspension at this point.  There is absolutely no defense of that hit.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/17/12 at 11:58 PM ET

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*#$%@& idiot announcer says its a clean hit and he doesnt have a problem with it…what a freaking lowlife douchebag…that *#$%@& should be fired immediately

clean hit my ass you *#$%@&

Posted by Anaarkey on 04/18/12 at 12:05 AM ET

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Torres need the Matt Cooke suspension at this point.  There is absolutely no defense of that hit.

This.

Posted by Denver Wings on 04/18/12 at 12:10 AM ET

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Great job NHL, you hope you got what you wanted with no suspensions in the playoffs:  A star player getting carted off in the playoffs after a bullshit hit by a fourth liner.

Posted by 11B3PF7 in MN on 04/18/12 at 12:18 AM ET

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What was this announcer saying?  He has no problem with Torres leaving his feet and blindsiding Hossa in the head?  Wow…

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Meriden, CT on 04/18/12 at 12:19 AM ET

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Just in case you are wondering, the Coyotes color guy is Tyson Nash.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 04/18/12 at 12:21 AM ET

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Just in case you are wondering, the Coyotes color guy is Tyson Nash.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 04/17/12 at 10:21 PM ET

Just saw that on Twitter.  Think he’ll have to “take it back?”

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Meriden, CT on 04/18/12 at 12:25 AM ET

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Are people still going to defend the instigator rule after garbage like this?  People can say that it won’t change a thing, but I don’t remember as many weasels getting away with crap like this before fighting was nerfed.  It’s quite clear the NHL brass can’t be trusted with policing the game.  I’m also waiting for the shoulder pads to get softened up, but that would you know, imply the NHL gives have a rat’s behind about player safety.

Posted by CaliforniaPuck31 from San Luis Obispo, CA on 04/18/12 at 12:32 AM ET

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Are people still going to defend the instigator rule after garbage like this?

The instigator wouldn’t be be a problem if the league would do it’s bloody job once in a while.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 04/18/12 at 12:35 AM ET

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Tyson Nash is a stumbling puke.

How ignorant can a homer like that be?  That should be a 20 game suspension given the record of Torres.

Doc

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 04/18/12 at 12:38 AM ET

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Are people still going to defend the instigator rule after garbage like this?

The instigator wouldn’t be be a problem if the league would do it’s bloody job once in a while.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 04/17/12 at 10:35 PM ET

Agreed, in a perfect world.  I would rather let the players decide what they want in the game, and not a bunch of suits who are playing the political side.

Posted by CaliforniaPuck31 from San Luis Obispo, CA on 04/18/12 at 12:39 AM ET

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Agreed, in a perfect world.  I would rather let the players decide what they want in the game, and not a bunch of suits who are playing the political side.

...so like we saw in Phili on sunday?  no thanks.

I think responsibility needs to be placed on the players for controlling this as well, but it needs to come from respecting each other and not engaging in this shit, not from more violence and retaliation.

Posted by jwad on 04/18/12 at 12:45 AM ET

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..so like we saw in Phili on sunday?  no thanks.

I think responsibility needs to be placed on the players for controlling this as well, but it needs to come from respecting each other and not engaging in this shit, not from more violence and retaliation.

Posted by jwad on 04/17/12 at 10:45 PM ET

I completely understand where you’re coming from, no one like seeing people get hurt, but I would be curious to see what would happen if you get someone take a cheap shot and then NOT get protected by the officials afterwords as everyone tries to hold him accountable.  They just whisk him away…how is that not supposed to help deter others?

Of course, this would be a moot argument if the NHL actually punished players for being reckless, and yes, players pulled their heads out of their asses.  I play at the college level and we don’t have garbage like this, but we’re also playing for fun.

Posted by CaliforniaPuck31 from San Luis Obispo, CA on 04/18/12 at 12:53 AM ET

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This is so effing illegal. It’s way late. It’s from the blindside. It’s a charge based on strides. It’s a charge based on leaving his feet. And it’s a hit straight to the head. Not a hockey play, either; that isn’t Torres’ lane. He left his assignment to throw a late, leaping, blindside, headshot charge on a non-puck-carrier. So stupid. So stupid.

Shanahan really dropped the ball by not giving this guy the Cooke suspension earlier in the year when he crowned two guys in two days. Always was a bigger headhunter than Cooke, anyway (whether he’s dirtier is debatable; that Torres has thrown more headshots is not).

Posted by larry from pitt on 04/18/12 at 12:54 AM ET

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He definitely left his feet prior to impact.  Principle contact was Torres’ shoulder to Hossa’s head.  Should be multiple days of suspension with Torres’ track record.  But who the hell knows what the frak Shanny is going to call.  Maybe he will roll the dice this time to make up his mind.

Posted by Crow on 04/18/12 at 12:56 AM ET

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What was this announcer saying?  He has no problem with Torres leaving his feet and blindsiding Hossa in the head?  Wow…

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 04/17/12 at 10:19 PM ET

The announcer is Tyson Nash. He did this plenty of times in his five year career, until some thug beat his willingness to throw garbage hits out of him permanently (though, apparently, not his affinity for watching them).

Ugh. And Torres turtles, too. Man enough to end a guy’s ability to do his job and not man enough to face somebody eye to eye.

Posted by larry from pitt on 04/18/12 at 12:58 AM ET

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Bollig’s hands better have had a firm grip around Rafi’s throat in that pile on.

And what are the odds that laughing that Toews heard was actually from that piece of shit, Doan?  I’d bet money on it.

Posted by scotts0 from New York on 04/18/12 at 01:01 AM ET

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Are people still going to defend the instigator rule after garbage like this?  People can say that it won’t change a thing, but I don’t remember as many weasels getting away with crap like this before fighting was nerfed.  It’s quite clear the NHL brass can’t be trusted with policing the game.  I’m also waiting for the shoulder pads to get softened up, but that would you know, imply the NHL gives have a rat’s behind about player safety.

100% agree with this.

Secondly, not to defend the hit… BUT, was the principal point of contact Hossa’s head or was it his chest?  From the camera view i saw, it looked like he got him in the chest.  His feet defintely were in the air as well, but wasn’t there a video from shanny this season that said something about the feet being allowed to lift into the air from the collision?  Anyways, the hit was uncalled for…. all of us would hate it if some guy totaling about 10 minutes a game were to take out an important player on our favorite team.  20 years ago, Torres would be hopeing to be ejected from the game to keep from being killed by someone after doing something like this.  That fear alone seemed to keep people from doing stupid stuff like this.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/18/12 at 01:05 AM ET

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From the camera view i saw, it looked like he got him in the chest.

Straight teeth from the low angle near the penalty box.

Posted by larry from pitt on 04/18/12 at 01:16 AM ET

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Looks like a clean hit, seems like every time someone gets hurt now a days it’s a “cheap hit”

Posted by Puck guy from Home on 04/18/12 at 01:29 AM ET

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Updated the post, Hossa has left the hospital.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 04/18/12 at 01:31 AM ET

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Oh, Tyson Nash.  He never will shut up about Doan and his supposed class and talent.

One more reason PHX is last in the league in tv numbers.

Posted by Jay on 04/18/12 at 01:37 AM ET

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Every single questionable hit stems from Weber’s non-suspension.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 04/18/12 at 01:42 AM ET

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Top headlines (right hand side) of the NHL website:

1) Hawks’ Hossa leaves on stretcher after hit |
2) NEW: Caps’ Backstrom suspended one game
3) NEW: Penguins’ Neal suspended for one game
4) NEW: Pens’ Asham suspended for four games
5) Preds hold off Red Wings for 3-1 win in Game 4
6) TSN: Hawks hope to grab series lead in Game 3
7) Panthers rally past Devils, take 2-1 series lead
8) Daniel Sedin practices, hopes to play in Game 4
9) Blackhawks’ Shaw suspended three games |
10) Nyquist earning praise for strong offensive play
11) Flyers’ first-year guys are rookies in name only
12) Sens miss Alfredsson in Gm. 3 | Alfie setback
13) Because It’s The Cup: Touch it: Yes, no?

7 of the 13 (a majority) are about suspensions on plays that caused injuries, or about star players recovering from illegal hits that were met with minimal suspensions (Hossa/Torres to be determined).

I guess we should be glad to see that the NHL TV ratings are up? Sad day(s) for hockey.

Posted by Mike from Toronto on 04/18/12 at 01:45 AM ET

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Daniel Sedin says Hi.

Posted by Joeblowish on 04/18/12 at 01:47 AM ET

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Do you think Canuck fans are sympathetic that the Chicago Blackhawks might have lost one of their best players to a questionable hit?

Probably not.

Does a 5 game regular season suspension compensate them?

No, it doesn’t.

Posted by blammo on 04/18/12 at 01:49 AM ET

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but I would be curious to see what would happen if you get someone take a cheap shot and then NOT get protected by the officials afterwords as everyone tries to hold him accountable.

I just dont see how a system of justice based upon violent reprisals could ever be effective. 

Someone will hold him accountable, then the other team tries to hold that guy accountable.  Sure, there is lots of accountability.  I want to watch hockey, not vengeful attacks.  I only see this leading to an escalation of violence. 

The league needs to enforece this stuff severely, and players need to look out for have some respect for eachother.

Posted by jwad on 04/18/12 at 01:52 AM ET

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Someone will hold him accountable, then the other team tries to hold that guy accountable.  Sure, there is lots of accountability.  I want to watch hockey, not vengeful attacks.  I only see this leading to an escalation of violence.

Exactly, anyone recall the Bertuzzi-Moore incident? That is what vigilante justice gets you.

Posted by timbits on 04/18/12 at 02:21 AM ET

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Joeblowish-Go get your lighter and gas can ready for the game four “post game celebration”, jacka$$.

Posted by sean_o_sean on 04/18/12 at 02:25 AM ET

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“Exactly, anyone recall the Bertuzzi-Moore incident? That is what vigilante justice gets you.”

That just shows how classless Vancouver, Bertuzzi and especially Crawford are.  The insitgator rule was allready in effect.  Had it not been, Vancouver could have resolved it then.  They then chickened out in the next game because little gary and crooked colin campbell were in the crowd, so they sat and stewed.  Then Moore fights Cooke in the 3rd game and it should have resolved it, but nooooooo, big bad bertuzzi had to take it even further and get his pound of flesh as well, even if he had to do it from behind.    Disgusting.

Posted by sean_o_sean on 04/18/12 at 02:32 AM ET

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The Bertuzzi-Moore mess was an isolated incident; an outlier.  You can’t use it for either side of the argument because it’s just such an extreme case.

I’m not saying to go jump everyone who looks at your best player (that’s just stupid, and I hate seeing guys get hurt), but the whole point of the “enforcer” was to plant that seed in the back of your mind that if you take a run at someone, your face was going to pick up the slack.  By simply knowing that you’re being watched, you’re not going to be taking runs at people.  The enforcer’s job is complete, and he doesn’t even have to step foot on the ice.  Instead, these weasels today know that they can run someone and get away with it because if someone tries to hold them accountable, they can turtle up and the other guy will get the ejection, and not them.  These 5 game suspensions don’t scare anyone.  The petty fines are pathetic.  It’s not vigilante justice because you’re thwarting recklessness before it happens rather than just punishing it (and doing so poorly).

Yes, respect is a HUGE part of the game that needs improvement, and I don’t really have an answer on how to fix that.  It’s hard for anyone to say that they do. Sometimes knowing that there is a bigger fish on the opposing bench will humble you.  Maybe it won’t.  That’s for the boys in the locker room to figure out.

I’d rather have a goon than rely on the NHL head office.  If you disagree, take a look at the headlines.

Top headlines (right hand side) of the NHL website:

1) Hawks’ Hossa leaves on stretcher after hit |
2) NEW: Caps’ Backstrom suspended one game
3) NEW: Penguins’ Neal suspended for one game
4) NEW: Pens’ Asham suspended for four games
5) Preds hold off Red Wings for 3-1 win in Game 4
6) TSN: Hawks hope to grab series lead in Game 3
7) Panthers rally past Devils, take 2-1 series lead
8) Daniel Sedin practices, hopes to play in Game 4
9) Blackhawks’ Shaw suspended three games |
10) Nyquist earning praise for strong offensive play
11) Flyers’ first-year guys are rookies in name only
12) Sens miss Alfredsson in Gm. 3 | Alfie setback
13) Because It’s The Cup: Touch it: Yes, no?

7 of the 13 (a majority) are about suspensions on plays that caused injuries, or about star players recovering from illegal hits that were met with minimal suspensions (Hossa/Torres to be determined).

I guess we should be glad to see that the NHL TV ratings are up? Sad day(s) for hockey.

Yep, that’s option number two.  Gee, those players are really scared of the suspensions and petty fines, eh?  It’s what we’ve got, and if you think that this (^) is working, I really have nothing else to say.

Posted by CaliforniaPuck31 from San Luis Obispo, CA on 04/18/12 at 02:59 AM ET

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Sean-o-sean,
No need, I’m not an ignorant fool.
Don’t understand why Im a jackass… Its the truth.

Posted by Joeblowish on 04/18/12 at 03:16 AM ET

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but I would be curious to see what would happen if you get someone take a cheap shot and then NOT get protected by the officials afterwords as everyone tries to hold him accountable.

What would happen if the referees put their hands on their hips while Steve MacIntyre punched himself out on, I don’t know, Vernon Fiddler over what he perceived as a dangerous hit?

Well, dangerous hits would ultimately stop. Hitting to inflict pain, rather than to separate a player from the puck would end. Players such as Torres would either stop injuring people out of a sense of self-preservation or simply take so much damage due to the way they play that they could not continue for very long. Others would take note and quit with the copycat act. Management wouldn’t want to allocate dollars and capspace for players like Torres when they’re missing 60 games per year with broken orbital bones and jaws, so his ilk would cease to exist in the sport.

The problem is, until this lesson is learned, there’s nothing to stop a death from occurring in the interim if you allow monsters to beat much smaller men unconscious. Incredible amount of liability in that situation.

I mean, it’s a solution insofar as it would work, but there’s a great deal of cost to that particular solution and I doubt the league or its fans have the stomach to watch that cost play out.

Posted by larry from pitt on 04/18/12 at 04:02 AM ET

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The crazy thing about this hit is, even if you ignore that it is interference, ignore that it is blind-side, and credit Torres for keeping his elbows down and in, HE STILL JUMPED. This hit would’ve qualified as a dirty hit a few years ago before all the “crackdown” and such. Today, it qualifies as dirty, illegal on three counts, and just plain stupid.

I agree, Torres needs the Cooke treatment. Cooke hasn’t done anything stupid since they finally gave him a real punishment. Maybe it’ll work with Torres.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 04/18/12 at 11:02 AM ET

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“That’s what happens when you cut through the middle with that puck”
...or, without the puck.

“He explodes into the hit”
by leaving his feet

Everyone talks about how some guys play right on the edge of the line, and Torres has repeatedly crossed it. Reckless plays that potentially cause serious injury to unsuspecting players need to be deterred with consistent and severe punishment.

We all know that ain’t happenin’.

Posted by Dave on 04/18/12 at 07:01 PM ET

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Who’s the announcer? that dude needs to improve his abilty to call play-by-play and maybe read the current rule books and understand the game a bit better before he gat’s paid to represent hockey opinion correctly in an unbiased form. But personally I’d like to hit that announcer like Torres did myself. So whats his name?

Posted by m t from toronto on 04/21/12 at 01:00 PM ET

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