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Video- Lucic With An Open-Ice Hit On Ryan Miller

Milan Lucic was assessed two minutes for charging.

added 8:40pm, Buffalo TV crew reacts to the hit below…

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IMO if a goalie intentionally leaves his crease to attempt to beat another player to a puck in a chase then he’s fair game… The NHL does way too much to protect the goalie.  Miller put himself in the line of fire and almost lost his nugget because of it.

Posted by Jeric on 11/13/11 at 12:05 AM ET

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and another thing… What’s the deal with the Buffalo play-by-play?  Is sounding like a drunk special ed student a requirement?

Posted by Jeric on 11/13/11 at 12:08 AM ET

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Y’know, I’m all for the goalie being fair game in he wanders… always have been really… especially in that kind of a bang-bang scenario…

HOWEVER… pretty sure Lucic went for the head.

Goalie heads are protected by the league now too, right?  Paging Mr. Shanahan…

Posted by Primis on 11/13/11 at 12:08 AM ET

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and another thing… What’s the deal with the Buffalo play-by-play?  Is sounding like a drunk special ed student a requirement?

Posted by Jeric on 11/12/11 at 10:08 PM ET

Yes.

Posted by Primis on 11/13/11 at 12:10 AM ET

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Goalies have never been fair game. Everyone knows it, whether we like it or not. That is the biggest reason we need the trapezoid. Until goalies become fair game, they need to be limited when handling the puck.

Posted by timbits on 11/13/11 at 12:24 AM ET

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Goalies have never been fair game. Everyone knows it, whether we like it or not. That is the biggest reason we need the trapezoid. Until goalies become fair game, they need to be limited when handling the puck.

Posted by timbits on 11/12/11 at 10:24 PM ET

This was out front though, and it was legal for him to be out handling it.

Are you saying then that goalies should be limited to only handling the puck in the trapezoid, period?  I’m not asking that sarcastically I’m actually asking in all seriousness, it’s an interesting idea I hadn’t considered…  it certainly could give some extra life to the dump-and-chase games if you tethered the goalie to his crease.

Maybe there needs to be Goalie Box then encompassing the current trapezoid area behind the net as well as a small area in front where the goalie quite literally has to stay inside it at all times, except while being pulled of course.  Straying from it would result in a 2min. penalty much like the current trapezoid infraction.  This way goalies can still come out to cut off angles and even challenge a bit… but won’t be bolting to the top of the faceoff circles like sometimes can happen, or other magical journeys of wonderment.

Posted by Primis on 11/13/11 at 12:31 AM ET

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This was out front though, and it was legal for him to be out handling it.

Are you saying then that goalies should be limited to only handling the puck in the trapezoid, period?

Yes, I think they should be limited. That being said I am not totally convinced they should be completely prohibited from playing the puck.  But the current situation where goalies get to control the puck, but are not subject to the same rules as other players reduces offense and you end up with things like this hit by Lucic.

it’s an interesting idea I hadn’t considered…  it certainly could give some extra life to the dump-and-chase games if you tethered the goalie to his crease

Yes, without being able to play the puck behind the net, it opens up the dump and chase and creates a new dynamic for the offensive team.

Posted by timbits on 11/13/11 at 12:41 AM ET

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Miller should take a page out of hasek’s book IMO and this whole thing could have been avoided.

Posted by Keyser S. on 11/13/11 at 03:06 AM ET

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Doesn’t matter what “should” or “shouldn’t” be, Miller is NOT fair game to be hit like that.  That was a bitch move by Lucic, and he should know better than to run a freaking goalie.  He could have EASILY let up, but he wanted to be an assclown and try to make a “statement.”

I’m sure this will break his spirit and make him want to quit life, but I just lost massive amounts of respect for that guy.

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 11/13/11 at 06:37 AM ET

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...a requirement?

I would just as soon assume it’s the NESN broadcast, or even CSN in DC.  Definitely becoming more prevalent.

Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 11/13/11 at 08:51 AM ET

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This case should be a penalty because Lucic seemed not to have any desire to play the puck after it past the blue line, but I do think if goalies venture out, especially as far as Miller did, they should be fair game. Is it just me or did everyone else miss the fact that Miller intentionally tried to hit Lucic with his paddle right after the hit. If Miller did would that have been a penalty?

Posted by Mike S on 11/13/11 at 01:35 PM ET

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Not charging that is for sure as stated, “if a goalie intentionally leaves his crease to attempt to beat another player to a puck in a chase then he’s fair game,” the only thing I can see is that Miller got rif of the puck and it was a late hit.  Lucic could have tried to avoid him. It is not charging when he was skating in at a high speed to get the puck and the goalie jumps in front to get the puck. If the puck is still on Miller’s stick it would be a good hockey hit but he moved the puck to the boards and the hit was late… BTW Ric Jenerette is one of the best announcers in the game. I love listening to him.

Posted by Puckbubba from FL. on 11/13/11 at 02:09 PM ET

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Except that it is charging and the goalie is not currently fair game anywhere on the ice.

Miller didn’t appear at the last moment and Lucic did nothing to try to avoid a player he knows he can’t hit.  You can get away with incidental contact on a goalie, but there’s no way you can get away with skating 30 feet at the puck and deciding it gives you free reign to blast the guy full-on.  I’d go so far as to say that this is charging regardless of whether Miller is a goalie or a defenseman in this situation.

It’s a dirtbag move by a dirtbag player.  You don’t like the rule? Change it. Until then, this is always going to be a penalty.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/13/11 at 02:20 PM ET

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Against the rules or not, Lucic hit Miller high, and he hit him knowing that Miller was unprepared to take a shot.  That was pretty cheap.  I’d like to see Lucic get two games for that hit.

As for the broader discussion going on about what the roles ought or ought not to say:

I’m not opposed to allowing hits on goalies, but it has to be while the puck is still on his stick.  I’ve always hated the trapezoid, and I hope it is done away with.  I think allowing hitting the goalie in some limited circumstances would be a good compromise.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 11/13/11 at 07:18 PM ET

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Some facts to go along wih he opinions.

Rule 69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease:

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.

Posted by Cubanpuckstopper on 11/14/11 at 12:24 AM ET

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I just watched the video a few times, the rule says he’ll get a penalty, he did. It didn’t look like a head shot so suspending him isn’t what the rules say. What amazes me is the chicken, gutless, Buffalo players who seemed to want to dance with the Boston player. Years ago there was a reason you thought twice about hitting a goalie and that display of backing your goalie was pathetic. Miller called the hit gutless, he should be aim that comment to his team mates. Lucic knew as soon as he hit Miller he was going to be fighting, it’s always been that way. Buffalo’s response sent a message to, you can hit our goalie and were going to call you bad names. No Im sorry, theres something wrong here, Lucic should have been fought then and there and when he got out of the penalty box Buffalo should have gone after him again. Win or lose you have to retaliate for your goalie. That showed me Buffalo is either a bunch of gutless wimps or they don’t like their own goalie. I’m with the comment above, Lucic should get a minor and if Buffalo can’t protect a goalie maybe they should request changes to the rules.

Posted by Pete Nelson from Comox BC on 11/14/11 at 10:50 AM ET

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