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Video- Lucic Gets 5 And A Game For This Hit

Deserving for this hit on Jaroslav Spacek tonight?

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It is…and it makes the refs for BUF/PHI Game 6 look really bad for not giving the same penalty to Mike Richards.

Posted by steve on 04/26/11 at 11:05 PM ET

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How exactly is Spacek supposed to protect himself in that situation?  And is it a necessary hit?  He wasn’t trying to remove the player from the puck at all.

Not the most dangerous hit I’ve seen these playoffs but still not a good one.  I’d like to say he deserved the punishment but there’s no way for players to know how a hit is going to be called out there because we haven’t seen any consistent officiating yet.  So I’d probably just give him a 2:00 boarding call.

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 04/26/11 at 11:06 PM ET

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NHL officiating strikes again. Richards gets two, and Lucic gets tossed. Briere gets two, and Jamie McGinn gets tossed for a similar hit.  Briere and Richards should have at least gotten five apiece, but the refs are a joke. Meanwhile Buffalo loses its best penalty killer, and think they don’t miss him in Game 7?  Meanwhile Briere scores a PP goal and gets another PP by taking a dive (also not called on him).  The double-standard is definitely in full effect in these playoffs.

Posted by Dan from Pittsburgh, PA on 04/26/11 at 11:29 PM ET

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Remember, The Comcast Flyers, America’s (Newest) Team.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 04/26/11 at 11:32 PM ET

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Amen, Paul.

Posted by Dan from Pittsburgh, PA on 04/26/11 at 11:32 PM ET

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CBC guys nailed it:  “Intent to Injure”.

Lucic never once looked at or for the puck, he drove himself on through the check, and he came clear across ice specifically to make it.

Definitely worthy of 5 and a Game, and also should get a suspension.

At least, in a non-Wheel of Justice world…

Posted by Primis on 04/26/11 at 11:38 PM ET

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And to boot, from the boxscore looks like that major resulted in the PP that got the Habs the GWG.

Way to go, Looch!

Posted by Primis on 04/26/11 at 11:48 PM ET

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i was 15 feet from the mcginn hit. was clearly a major. no doubt at ice level.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 04/27/11 at 12:09 AM ET

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See, I don’t think so. This is another case where the player turns away from the hit towards the glass just after releasing a pass. Clement on a Flyers broadcast at the end of the season said it very well. If guys let up in that case, from the moment their allowed to check, they will get benched by their coach for not playing physical enough.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 04/27/11 at 12:29 AM ET

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Three things:

1) He didn’t turn away towards the boards, he turned to shoot the puck in.

2) Finishing your check doesn’t mean driving him through the boards into the parking lot. 

3) If your point about finishing checks is correct, maybe the problem is not the lack of respect amongst players, but lack of respect for players by the coaches.

Posted by GregK on 04/27/11 at 12:48 AM ET

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The Lucic hit is vastly different than the Richards hit.  The two are not comparable.

Posted by Unicorn Force from DC (but like everyone here, I'm not a local) on 04/27/11 at 12:57 AM ET

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Briere and Richards should have at least gotten five apiece, but the refs are a joke. Meanwhile Buffalo loses its best penalty killer, and think they don’t miss him in Game 7?  Meanwhile Briere scores a PP goal and gets another PP by taking a dive (also not called on him).  The double-standard is definitely in full effect in these playoffs.

Wha-wha-wha…

Officiating was equally horrendous for both sides.  At the end of the day, the more skilled team prevailed.  The Flyers aren’t dirty.  The Sabres aren’t dirty.  There was a ton of chirping.  Tons of stuff after the whistle.  But that’s the playoffs.

Posted by Unicorn Force from DC (but like everyone here, I'm not a local) on 04/27/11 at 01:04 AM ET

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After listening to that interview with Campbell last week (he was complaining that he had already suspended more guys in the first round this year than in any other entire playoffs), my feeling is that, short of an on-ice death or crippling, Campbell has decided to retire the wheel of justice for the playoffs and let anything go. I’ve noticed a lot of Dreger tweets about how such and such want the league to look at a play and a complete dearth of tweets saying the league IS looking at the play since Colie’s spaz attack, nor have there been any suspensions.

Also recently saw a quote from Primeau saying it’s his feeling the NHL brass thinks concussions are the new High Ankle sprain—an injury that happened a lot on year by coincidence, but will petre out over time.

Posted by steviesteve on 04/27/11 at 02:50 AM ET

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@Unicorn Force - hardly think it’s whining to point out that the Richards and Briere plays seem to be adjudicated by a different standard.  What Richards did following his major penalty for elbowing and Briere taking to his blog the next day to complain about the same was whining, especially given the huge disparity in PP’s given to the Flyers in the first two games of the series. 

The more talented team may have won, but it’s no coincidence that they did so after Buffalo’s top to penalty killing forwards were out of the series.  Pominville’s injury was a freak occurrence, but Connolly’s was entirely avoidable and the result of a reckless and dangerous play by Richards that should have been at least 5 minutes.  Could have changed the tenor of the game, but the refs seemed to lose their cajones after all the Flyer belly-aching and didn’t make the calls they should have.

Posted by Dan from Pittsburgh, PA on 04/27/11 at 03:30 AM ET

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The only difference between Richards and Matt Cooke is that Richards has a better slapshot. This guy has gotten a free ride from the league disciplinary committee.

Posted by steviesteve on 04/27/11 at 04:37 AM ET

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1) He didn’t turn away towards the boards, he turned to shoot the puck in.

Yes he did. At 6 seconds in the video, he’s perpendicular to the boards as a left-hand shot. it’s the only way he can shoot the puck into the zone.  At 7, he’s turned his back to the incoming player, and about 7.5 he’s into the glass and falling.

2) Finishing your check doesn’t mean driving him through the boards into the parking lot.

No, but are we wanting to turn the sport into touch hockey? As someone said above, Lucic’s a big man who took two strides to deliver a shoulder hit.

3) If your point about finishing checks is correct, maybe the problem is not the lack of respect amongst players, but lack of respect for players by the coaches.

That was kind of the point. It’s been ingrained in these guys for so long to make hits as or just after the player releases the puck. The thinking is hitting early causes late turnovers.

As for the Briere and Richards hits. First, Richards shoved him while going after the puck, continuing to pursue the puck as he was on the penalty kill. As someone said on that post, it was a hockey play gone dangerous. As for Briere’s hit, only the distance between the boards and the “explosion” Briere causes on Niedermayer (have to laugh at that one) draws the penalty. If anything, Niedermayer should have got an elbowing penalty too since he raised his arm, ala Richards, as he was about to take a shoulder to shoulder hit.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 04/27/11 at 09:31 AM ET

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The only difference between Richards and Matt Cooke is that Richards has a better slapshot. This guy has gotten a free ride from the league disciplinary committee.

Posted by steviesteve on 04/27/11 at 02:37 AM ET

They do HAVE slightly different histories. Richards deserved a game if Lucic gets on.

Posted by Rdwings28 on 04/27/11 at 10:08 AM ET

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The more talented team may have won, but it’s no coincidence that they did so after Buffalo’s top to penalty killing forwards were out of the series

Did you watch a minute of any of the games?  The Flyers out-shot the Sabres in all but one game and were generally the dominant team throughout the series.  The Flyers PP nabbed two goals in Game 7, but c’mon…  That was still utter domination in the first period.  There is one reason and one reason ONLY for this going seven games:  Ryan Miller. 

Yes, losing Pominville and Connolly were unfortunate for the Sabres.  So was Philadelphia’s loss of Carter (thanks to a knee-on-knee hit that you seem to have avoided mentioning which was reckless in its own right).  Not having Pronger for six games was also very unfortunate for the Flyers.  And news flash:  the Flyers PP wasn’t the deciding factor in the series.  By in large the Flyers PP isn’t exactly their strong-suit.  The Flyers depth was the largest contributing factor to their success.

hardly think it’s whining to point out that the Richards and Briere plays seem to be adjudicated by a different standard.

What’s so different?  There is no difference.  The Sabres got away with plenty as did the Flyers.  The Flyers were called for BS plays, so were the Sabres.  The Sabres got away with all the after-the-whistle crap.  Good for them.  And better for the Flyers for not taking the bait and remaining disciplined.

Could have changed the tenor of the game, but the refs seemed to lose their cajones after all the Flyer belly-aching and didn’t make the calls they should have.

You mean like calling Gerbe in OT of Game 6 for his assault on Versteeg?  Like giving Miller two for roughing Carcillo in Game 7?  Like any of the three Sabres that simultaneously cross-checked JvR in Game 7?  Like calling Ennis for roughing on Timonen when he punched him in the head after he was held in Game 7?  The list goes on and on.  The point is that the refs missed a ton for BOTH teams.  To isolate one team is just whining.  There were bad breaks for both teams.  Tons of missed calls, shots off the pipe, injuries… 

In the end, the better team won.  And they did the old fashioned way:  they earned it. 

PS:  I enjoy the debate and I appreciate you keeping it clean.  In the word’s of Spector, “hat-tip”.

Posted by Unicorn Force from DC (but like everyone here, I'm not a local) on 04/27/11 at 10:50 AM ET

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Agreed. Both should have gotten at least one game.

Regarding Lucic, this guy delivers more useless hits in a game than anyone else.
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of his, but there are times he sacrificed an offensive opportunity just to finish a meaningless body check.
Case in point; I believe it was game 1 or 2.
A Montreal dman is carrying the puck behind his net and looking to head up ice. Lucic comes barreling in off the LW. The dman tried to pass the puck, but fanned on it, sending the puck wide and very slow.
Lucic had plenty of time to curl to his left, pick up the puck and either go to the net, or throw it on net for an oncoming Bruins forward.
Instead, he disregarded the puck entirely and finished a check on the montreal dman, who had plenty of time to react and brace for it.
Not only that, but the Montreal forward who was near the boards, picked up the loose puck, rushed down the ice and into the Bruins zone.

It’s things like that where Lucic needs to refine his game. Some would make the argument that the Habs dman lost the puck because he saw Lucic coming and was scared - probably due to Lucic’s rep as always finishing his check. In that regard, finishing his checks has proven fruitful.
But now it’s time to use that rep for good and take advantage of turnovers based on his rep.
And it might also help him from delivering useless and dangerous hits that hurt his team.

Posted by Hank1974 on 04/27/11 at 11:09 AM ET

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Yes he did. At 6 seconds in the video, he’s perpendicular to the boards as a left-hand shot. it’s the only way he can shoot the puck into the zone.  At 7, he’s turned his back to the incoming player, and about 7.5 he’s into the glass and falling.

you missed the part BEFORE the 6 second mark we he was facing the boards.  his body movement throughout the play is exactly what one would expect for a left handed player playing the puck, and I would expect another professional hockey player to know this and know that he is about to be looking at his opponent’s back.

anyway…there is a point being missed here.  a BOARDING call does NOT require a check to be FROM BEHIND.  go read the NHL rules.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/27/11 at 08:22 PM ET

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