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Video- Komisarek Boarding Call

Mike Komisarek with five for boarding Dan Carcillo, a ten and game misconduct.

I know, Komisarek didn’t mean to do it.

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Primis's avatar

I’m torn here.

I’m unsure as to how responsible he actually was for Carcillo going into the boards.  I know in slow-mo you can see him make contact from behind, but at full speed it does not seem as though the impetus of Carcillo going forward was from Komisarek’s… I don’t know even what to call it, check to the back I guess?  I don’t even know if it qualifies as a “hit?  At full speed, it looks more like Carcillo lost his balance and put himself in.  And to complicate matters in judgement, I would not put it past Carcillo to fake or embellish something like this, because as a player has very little honor and he has proven that one the ice numerous times in the past.  He may have very well thrown himself into the boards.  The guy’s just plain not very smart.

But on the slo-mo, it makes Komisarek’s check looks worse than the full-speed.  And he probably didn’t need to do that.  And if he hadn’t… I don’t know if Carcillo still goes in or not.  Maybe.  And if that’s the case then yeah… Komisarek should be penalized for it because it was needless.

Here’s what kills me… these checks from behind did NOT just suddenly appear.  Guys have been doing these checks away form the boards for years and years… why is it that now guys are going into the boards head-first so much more-often?  Are guys maybe TOO good at skating now and thus leave themselves off-balance more and trust that they can correct, whereas the older players didn’t and left themselves more of a margin?

I’ve been watching hockey for 30 years though and these checks, especially this weak one by Komisarek, are not new at all.  So why are guys suddenly rocketing head-first into the boards, when they usually didn’t before?

Posted by Primis on 03/10/11 at 10:36 PM ET

scotts0's avatar

I’ve been watching hockey for 30 years though and these checks, especially this weak one by Komisarek, are not new at all.  So why are guys suddenly rocketing head-first into the boards, when they usually didn’t before?

Posted by Primis on 03/10/11 at 08:36 PM ET

Because they know that it’s going to draw a 5 minute major penalty.  Which is why currently, whenever something like this happens, people’s almost immediate reaction is “DIVE!”.

Posted by scotts0 from New York on 03/10/11 at 10:42 PM ET

phillyd's avatar

Are you two serious? It’s a cross-check into the back of the player putting him into the boards in a precarious position.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 03/10/11 at 10:50 PM ET

Primis's avatar

Because they know that it’s going to draw a 5 minute major penalty.  Which is why currently, whenever something like this happens, people’s almost immediate reaction is “DIVE!”.

Posted by scotts0 from New York on 03/10/11 at 08:42 PM ET

I can buy some of the dumber guys like Carcillo maybe, but it’s not just them.  I’m sure diving happens with it, but there’s also got to be something else contributing.  And obviously, sometimes the hitter is dumb enough to actually drive the guy in with intent, and yeah that’s dumb and needs to be addressed.

The headshot thing is absolutely a newer trend and a respect issue.  This checking from behind is not, yet somehow is only getting worse.

Posted by Primis on 03/10/11 at 10:51 PM ET

Primis's avatar

Are you two serious? It’s a cross-check into the back of the player putting him into the boards in a precarious position.

Posted by phillyd from New Jersey on 03/10/11 at 08:50 PM ET

And as I noted, it’s been happening for decades at the pro levels, yet we never saw guys shooting into the boards from it back 10 years ago.  Why do you think that is?

Posted by Primis on 03/10/11 at 10:55 PM ET

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And before I get lambasted for being a homer, I thought JVR’s check later in the period should also have been penalized as I think it was borderline blind-side, even though it didn’t target the head.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 03/10/11 at 10:56 PM ET

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It’s because the trend now is to turn their back. If you look at the replay, You’ll see Carcillo plant his left-skate to backhand the puck right and spin at the moment Komisarek pushes him in the butt which causes the split and hit into the boards. How you think he dove while making himself into a human pretzel is beyond me.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 03/10/11 at 10:58 PM ET

inferno31's avatar

Coaches on all levels of hockey are telling players to face the boards and protect the puck when near the boards. Thats why you’re seeing that rise in these kinds of injury, its reckless. It draws calls, and does protect the puck but it puts players in a very vulnerable position. There is some responsibility on both parties (more on the pusher than the pushee), but players are putting themselves in that position way too often.

Posted by inferno31 on 03/10/11 at 11:03 PM ET

phillyd's avatar

And as I noted, it’s been happening for decades at the pro levels, yet we never saw guys shooting into the boards from it back 10 years ago.  Why do you think that is?

As I said above more guys turn their back but what used to happen was the players would shove with their hands at the nameplate. Somewhere along the ways, it’s gotten to the point where they shove around the belt.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 03/10/11 at 11:04 PM ET

NHLJeff's avatar

Komisarek barely touched Carcillo.  He was either going into the boards regardless or he dove.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 03/10/11 at 11:20 PM ET

pensfan29's avatar

That shit from behind the net clearly shows he barely touched him. Should he have put his stick there, no. But no way Carcillo actually got pushed THAT hard. Of course you gotta give the penalty to MK. Its a checl into the boards, but Carcillo doesnt exactly have the best reputation of clean play. Curious, how long was he in the locker room before coming back out?

Posted by pensfan29 on 03/10/11 at 11:31 PM ET

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That *shot. Yikes. My bad

Posted by pensfan29 on 03/10/11 at 11:32 PM ET

phillyd's avatar

Again, being a Flyers fan, I’ve seen Carcillo go into the corner 1000 times. He always wraps the puck back behind the net and spins the other way. It’s at the moment he begins to execute this that MK pushes him that causes the legs to split and for him to go all twisted into the boards. My first reaction watching it live was his leg was going to be pointing the wrong way when they zoomed in on him laying on the ice.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 03/10/11 at 11:45 PM ET

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The way Carcillo’s leg goes out pretty well shows he wasn’t expecting to get hit at all, let alone a low cross check (no matter how light).  Red Berenson must be proud.

Posted by tigerjeb on 03/10/11 at 11:49 PM ET

Nate A's avatar

Sigh, here we go again.

Time to replace all the boards with snow-banks.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 03/10/11 at 11:53 PM ET

pensfan29's avatar

They can replace the boards with foam like nascar walls

Posted by pensfan29 on 03/11/11 at 12:28 AM ET

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They can replace the boards with foam like nascar walls

And everyone can drive cares!  On the ice!

Posted by Garth on 03/11/11 at 01:11 AM ET

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Not much outrage here.

Carcillo + weak cross check = Yawn!

Posted by timbits on 03/11/11 at 01:16 AM ET

Mike from Austin's avatar

I feel that a lot of times these days players play as if they aren’t going to get hit. When you go into the corners or what not, you’re gonna get hit. Turning your back is like saying ‘haha you can’t hit me now, and I’m not even going to be concerned with what or who is behind me’.  It’s just not smart play.

Kinda like the Chara Pacioretty thing. Did Pacioretty think ‘man, I’ve got this guy beat, no way he’s gonna do whatever he can to prevent my breakaway’. I’m not condoning what Chara did, nor am I saying Pacioretty got what was coming.  I’m just saying those weren’t smart hockey plays for either one of them. Sometimes a player has got to take his foot off the gas when he’s gonna get rubbed out on a play for his own sake.

Posted by Mike from Austin on 03/11/11 at 01:48 AM ET

Steve J's avatar

If you watch Carcillo’s left knee in the replay starting at :38, you can see it buckle and his skate twist out from under him with the force of the cross check. Don’t think it was a dive.
He was also shooting the puck around the boards at the exact time of the cross check, which probably made him all the more vulnerable.

Posted by Steve J from Columbia, MO on 03/11/11 at 09:40 AM ET

Joe Z.'s avatar

Is it only me who thinks that Carcillo lost the edge on his left skate, all pressure on the left heel, no way to slow down the forward momentun, and since his legs were seperating his head lowered automatically?

Komisarek is for sure a very strong guy and so on, but no way he can push another ~200lbs guy this hard almost effortless…

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 03/11/11 at 09:51 AM ET

Moq's avatar

Cross checking someone moving towards the boards is a dangerous play, and completely unnecessary. Komisarek deserves a stupidity suspension.

Posted by Moq from Denmark on 03/11/11 at 12:49 PM ET

awould's avatar

Dangerous play. Carcillo is among a small group of NHLers that needs to be boarded every once in a while though, just so they know how it feels, because he’s a dirty jerk of a player. But that was a dangerous play and deserving of the penalties laid down. Even though Carcillo is a jerk.

So, to recap, dangerous play and Carcillo sucks.

Posted by awould on 03/11/11 at 01:03 PM ET

Wings_in_NYC's avatar

How about anyone who touches another player automatically gets a 2-4 min penalty and a 10 min misconduct. They will then face a hearing in front of the NHL goofs in which they will receive no less than a one game suspension.

This is ridiculous. MK looked like he barely tapped him. Carcillo was probably trying to draw a penalty like a lot of players do.

Just call it an unhappy accident and move on.

Calls for suspensions and misconduct penalties are out of control. This is still hockey isn’t it????

Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 03/11/11 at 01:17 PM ET

Lucce's avatar

Teammates tries to revive him with hockeystick. Epic.

Posted by Lucce from Kingdom of Zweden on 03/11/11 at 05:15 PM ET

PaulinMiamiBeach's avatar

how can anyone say he was “going into the boards” anyway?  he was skating toward them, yes.  players do that all the time and don’t throw themselves face first.  he wasn’t “going INTO the boards (face first”) - he lost his balance because of the cross check in the back.  that’s why he went face first.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/13/11 at 04:28 PM ET

PaulinMiamiBeach's avatar

no way he can push another ~200lbs guy this hard almost effortless…

have you ever done any competitive speed skating (ice or roller)?  I used to do it on roller skates.  we were taught to put our hand right above the tailbone of the person in front of us.  you’d be surprised how much force you can apply effectively at that spot.

Komisarik is moving a bit faster so he has more inertia.  add that with his strength (I doubt you’d underestimate it if you saw how he’s built under that jersey) and he can impart a LOT of force on an opposing player in that situation.  getting hit low in the back like that pushes the player’s center of gravity, rather than a part of the body that would allow him to absorb the force by bending or twisting.

stand on a skateboard or something and have someone put their hand just above your tailbone and push.  then maybe you’ll have a better idea of the way that kind of force affects you.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 03/13/11 at 04:32 PM ET

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