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Video- It’s A Goal. Or Is It?

Hossa awarded the goal on the ice, Toronto agrees.  Do you?

added 11:19pm, via Adam Johns tweet,

Spoke w/ war room, basically it felt Hossa kicked the puck into post & then hit it w/ his stick. After that, didn’t see evidence to overturn

added 11:34pm, via Chris Kuc tweet,

Blues goalie Ty Conklin on #Blackhawks’ reviewed goal: “Do we really have to make it that obvious that the league wants them in?”

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PaulinMiamiBeach's avatar

The issue is that the puck did not cross the line.  There is clear evidence that it didn’t, at least based on the league criteria.  If a goalie can be on top of the puck and his whole body crosses the line yet that isn’t a goal, then you can’t infer that it the puck crossed the line under Conklin’s glove.

you’ve got this wrong, Garth.  if the goalie’s glove is behind the goal line, you shoot the puck into his glove…it’s a goal.  if the goalie’s glove is in front of the line, you shoot the puck into his glove, and he moves his glove behind the goal line, it’s a goal.  if his glove is in front of the goal line, you shoot the puck into it and then shove him into the goal…its NO GOAL.

it’s about HOW the goalie got into the net that matters.  otherwise people would just blatantly crash the crease and shove the goalie in every time.

in this case, there was no external contact with Conklin.  he put the glove down on his own.  so if in doing so he pushed the puck into the net, it’s a goal.  there is no clear video evidence of whether or not this happened, so the call on the ice stands.

we can debate whether this is the logic the league should follow…but for the moment the fact remains that it IS the logic the league follows.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/07/11 at 03:47 PM ET

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Garth…

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26489

A goal shall be scored if the puck is put into the goal in any way by a player of the defending side.

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Apparent goals shall be disallowed by the Referee and the appropriate announcement made by the Public Address Announcer for the following reasons:

(ix)  When a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck after making a save. See also 69.6.

69.6:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26480

In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck by an attacking player after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed.

again, it’s only SHOVING the goalie into the net while he has the puck that is disallowed.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/07/11 at 03:51 PM ET

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Actually, if you’ve ever watched a Wings broadcast you’d know that’s just not true.  Every call against the Wings is just a case of the refs trying to even things up so the Wings don’t win every game 7-0 like their talent says they should.

See, now I think you don’t actually watch the Wings broadcasts.  Despite your rant about Wings fans being all hyperbolic and conspiratorial, you’ve managed to inject a fair about of hyperbole of your own.

Don’t get me wrong, the FSD crew is as biased as most home-team announcers when it comes to heaping praise on the team when its doing well, but they don’t go on about conspiracies.  They’ll complain about inconsistent refereeing, but more as it pertains to the league in general.

When it comes to pointing out bad calls, usually they’re pretty unbiased about it and point out when the other team gets jobbed and/or the Wings score a goal that shouldn’t have counted (I’ve sat through plenty of games where Mick will repeatedly come back to an incident where the other team had a bad call go against them).

Posted by dumbasrocks on 04/07/11 at 03:52 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Actually a lot of people can be objective in the comments, it’s just the Red Wings fans that can’t be.

This is where self-importance gets in the way of self-awareness.

So what’s the endgame here, RoneFace?  You want ALL Red Wings fans to just shut up?  To stop commenting as Red Wings fans?  To stop commenting in general because they bother you?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/07/11 at 03:57 PM ET

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The players it might might have affected? The entire Flames team.

Calgary’s been affected 3 times this year. This game last night, against the Ducks a few days ago (who then were steaming about 2 of their goals being disallowed their next game), and in a positive way, in a SO against Vancouver where the puck wasn’t even visible but ‘common sense’ prevailed.

Conspiracy theory? Not sure, but inconsitency for sure - just like the refs. It hurts more because it was game 80, but remember this crap happends in game 18 too. I would be interesting to see what the standings could look like were all these questionable calls reversed.

As a Flames fan, nothing’s more painful than 2004 though - especially since the Flames players themselves didn’t realize they’d scored and won the damn cup…

But hey, least number of Canadian teams in the playoffs ever, while all 3 from Cali might make it and the defenders might now too. Good for business right Bettman? wink

Posted by Spiz on 04/07/11 at 11:42 PM ET

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