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Tyson Barrie Signs A Four-Year Deal With The Avalanche

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Well there is a maybe #2 DMan or #3. $5.5 M

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 07/31/16 at 04:53 PM ET

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At least Barrie is proven offensively.

Posted by Dakkster from Southern Sweden on 07/31/16 at 05:32 PM ET

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There is a definite trend in the nhl… And it’s been like this for years but I can’t help but notice that NHL teams are locking up their Defense talent. And that is what is so difficult for the wings to either draft/trade for/or acquire through UFA. What this Wings team needs is some good NHL D talent. It’s so sad. I feel like the way Kenny has been operating for 10 years, we’re NEVER going to get any good D through our system. We bought Mike Green which has been fine imho. I think he’s good but DD is the only guy we have that’s serviceable in my opinion. So we lock him up for 6 years… lmao and he’s a # 3-4 on any cup contending team. He’s now our #1, and nothing against DD, I just think that it’s apparent what we need on this team and Kenny goes out and buys 4 new forwards and nothing on defense.

Posted by Pasha1277 on 08/01/16 at 10:02 AM ET

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NHL teams are locking up their Defense talent.

Yeah, that’s why Ken Holland locked up Ericsson.  Duh.

Posted by Garth on 08/01/16 at 11:05 AM ET

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True, our GM is bad.

Posted by Pasha1277 on 08/01/16 at 11:21 AM ET

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Teams have been locking up good d-men for years. Top ones are almost always retained and now its got to the point when secondary ones are being locked up too. It’s a huge part of the reason the Wings haven’t been able to upgrade their defense.

So, you look from within, draft and develop well and look for trades where good prospects or high draft picks can come in return. I’m not ready to rule out that some of the Wings defensive prospects may rise to the top but it is highly doubtful. DDK is very serviceable but would be much more so if the Wings could find a top pair guy.

It looks like we get to play the wait and see game yet again. Personally I would have been a lot more aggressive in seeking that kind of player. It costs a lot but that’s the market for you. I’m hoping something like Nyquist, Mantha and a first round pick might seal a deal for someone like Trouba or Shattenkirk. They are probably the only two available players who would make a significant difference.

Posted by evileye on 08/01/16 at 12:04 PM ET

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I’m not ready to rule out that some of the Wings defensive prospects may rise to the top but it is highly doubtful.

Isn’t this the problem?  The way Ken Holland thinks?

I mean, Marchenko turned out to be decent once given a chance.

Between Ouellet, Sproul and Jensen (and considering the chance that the Wings could lose one or two of them if they end up having to be waived) they have 30 games of NHL experience and every single one of them is from XO.

Sproul was an AHL All-Rookie and followed that up with two similarly offensive seasons (which have been better than XO’s offensive output), yet he hasn’t even gotten a look in his direction.  Jensen has also had two decent seasons and hasn’t gotten so much as a sniff.

Remember when Holland made room for Jimmy Howard because he was no longer waiver exempt?

Posted by Garth on 08/03/16 at 10:02 AM ET

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I’m not ready to rule out that some of the Wings defensive prospects may rise to the top but it is highly doubtful.


Isn’t this the problem?  The way Ken Holland thinks?

Yes! Since the retirement of Lidstrom/Rafalski, the Wings have been looking for defensemen to fill NHL roles yet they have almost refused to give their prospects a significant look at the NHL level. Last year (and years before) they should have been using at least one D spot to constantly look at what they have especially when the players are running out of options.

I don’t think they push prospects or even NHL talent hard enough. Sometimes players excel when put into a position where they need to elevate their game. I’ve always thought Smith did better when he was given MORE responsibility. A team has to be willing to let players make mistakes. The Wings turn one game mistakes into demotions.

The Wings still act like they are a serious contender for the Cup and must ice the best players at all times. The reality is the defense, at least, is in serious rebuild mode. For that to be a success younger players must be allowed to play AND to make mistakes. Older players need to sacrifice their minutes for the betterment of the team in the long run.

All I can say is at least they didn’t re-sign Quincey. They need to build for the future and that should mean working with players on the front side of their careers not the backside.
Some things simply can’t be learn at the AHL level.

Posted by evileye on 08/03/16 at 11:13 AM ET

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Posted by evileye on 08/03/16 at 11:13 AM ET

I think part of the problem is the “if he’s not getting top six minutes then he shouldn’t be in the NHL” thinking.  Datsyuk and Zetterberg both started on the third line, IIRC, so why is that too good for Mantha or AA or whomever.

It really annoys me to see third and fourth liners given chances while the potential top six forwards have to ride the bus in the NHL.

And the same thing goes for the D as well.  Marchenko got a shot to play on the bottom pairing and that’s pretty much where he belongs, but guys like XO, Sproul and Jensen barely get a look because they’re not looked at as bottom-pairing guys, so they aren’t called up and given a chance on the bottom pairing.

They should be keeping roster spots open for prospects to battle for, and they should be encouraging those prospects to seize their ice time and force the coaches to make decisions.

Sort of like what AA and Mantha theoretically did last year, if they were on a team with a capable GM who actually thinks that young, skilled players belong in the NHL.

Posted by Garth on 08/03/16 at 12:09 PM ET

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Some things simply can’t be learn at the AHL level.

Exactly!

Also, as we know, success at the AHL level doesn’t necessarily translate to success at the NHL level, but also we know that struggling at the AHL level don’t necessarily mean someone can’t succeed at the NHL level.

The Wings are very likely to lose at least one of XO, Jensen or Sproul, and what happens if some bottom feeding team picks that guy up and he ends up being that top-pairing defenseman that the Wings need?

I mean cripes, Ryan Sproul was picked 55th.  That’s not so far off from where the likes of PK Subban, Shea Weber, Tyson Barrie, Duncan Keith, Roman Josi and Kris Letang were drafted.

why not give him a chance to play in the NHL and see what he’s got?!?!?

Posted by Garth on 08/03/16 at 12:19 PM ET

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