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Two Pittsburgh Players Face Hearings

via NHL.com,

Pittsburgh forward James Neal will have hearings on Tuesday with the Department of Player Safety for two separate incidents in Sunday’s Game 3 of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals series against the Philadelphia Flyers.

Also, Pittsburgh forward Arron Asham has been offered an in-person hearing Tuesday morning for his match penalty for cross-checking Brayden Schenn at 14:15 of the first period. Asham received a match penalty on the hit.

Neal’s hearings focus on the hit against Sean Couturier in the third period, as well as the charging penalty he received for a hit on Claude Giroux later in the period. Neal was not penalized on the Couturier hit.

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As a Penguins fan that game was a joke and an embarrassment for the organization. Both Neal and Asham deserve to sit for the rest of the series and if it happens that is only 1 more game, they should miss a few to start next season. No need for that nonsense.

Posted by Russian Rocket on 04/16/12 at 02:01 PM ET

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5+ for each at least

Posted by SolidTG7 on 04/16/12 at 02:03 PM ET

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Asham will get the series.
Neal will get 1 game

which will actually be for the same amount of time.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/16/12 at 02:04 PM ET

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Neal will hurt if he’s out, but Asham will just be replaced.  I still think if if a player is suspended, the team should not be able to fill the roster spot.  Then it’d really affect the team since in most cases, it isn’t an impact player like Neal getting the gate.

Saying all that, it was a bad game, and not pretty at all.  But, i don’t really feel like they’re (Pens) are out of it as long as Bryzgalov is in the other net.  If the goalie formerly known as Fleury returns, and steals a couple games, we could see the Flyers turning back into what the Pens are now.

Posted by Greg on 04/16/12 at 02:11 PM ET

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Asham is done for the series (how ever long that is) and he will never wear a Penguins jersey again. Neal will get at least one. Adams will not get suspended even though the fight (instigator) happened in last 5 minutes. He was stepping in to help Crosby. Word is that Mario is pissed. he hates the Flyers and then watched his team turn into the Flyers Circa 1970-2008. Best thing Flyers ever did was hire Lavolette (sp). He took the goon mentality out of that team and convinced Holgrem and Clarke that this is the best way to win

Posted by Randy from Butler PA on 04/16/12 at 02:25 PM ET

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Neal will hurt if he’s out, but Asham will just be replaced.  I still think if if a player is suspended, the team should not be able to fill the roster spot.  Then it’d really affect the team since in most cases, it isn’t an impact player like Neal getting the gate.

I think the most intellegent way to do the suspension would be the suspension should be inforced against games against the offended team.  So if Neal gets 5 games, and the series only lasts 1 more, the other 4 games should be enforced next year when the pens play the flyers.  So if they play 6 games next year, Neal would not play the first 4 games against the flyers.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/16/12 at 02:25 PM ET

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I’d suggest a hybrid suspension policy that takes the best of both worlds.

If you make a guy wait until the next time the two teams play to serve his suspension, the immediacy of his punishment is diminished.

Give Neal three games regardless and another three against the Flyers.  Overlaps are fine though. Basically, it would still be five games (unless the Pens & flyers open the season against one another next year).

In cases of cross-conference goonery, it could take a guy three years to finish out a suspension if he only has to serve it against the team he wronged.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/16/12 at 02:31 PM ET

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Neal and Asham both deserve to be suspended.  Who knows how many games each will get.  I am amazed that the Couturier headshot to the back of Neal’s head at center ice has been completely over looked though.  That was a blindside elbow to the back of Neal’s head and is deserving of a suspension as well.  That hit, is what made Neal go after him later on.  Not that it excuses Neal’s behavior, but all three deserve punishment.  But yet not a word has been mentioned about Couturier’s hit on neal.

Posted by JT from pitt on 04/16/12 at 03:01 PM ET

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I’d suggest a hybrid suspension policy that takes the best of both worlds.

ok, i would agree with that.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 04/16/12 at 03:05 PM ET

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I like Greg’s idea that the team play a roster man short. If the Sens lost Carkner for a month would it matter? The problem with the hybrid system is that the league only hands out 1 to 3 games max so it may take a year before the player even sits one. Have them forfeit their salary up front and then miss the games anyway the hybrid system works out. Half immediately and the rest against the team you offended.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 04/16/12 at 03:26 PM ET

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The thing I’ve never liked about not allowing a team to fill the guy’s roster spot is that it seems to punish players who may not have had anything to do with it.

Wouldn’t it be nice if Carkner gets suspended for five games and the guy they call up to take his spot plays such a good and clean game that Carkner doesn’t make it back into the lineup?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/16/12 at 03:35 PM ET

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But I think these need to be team penalties for it to have any teeth. For all I know Carkner was told by his coach to go do something stupid “nudge,nudge, wink, wink” and a player has no choice, but to do as told or see his career shortened. Players will do whatever it takes to stay in the league, it is every hockey players dream job and it is short one at that.

But I have no sympathy for guys that can’t play hockey and are willing to do anything to stay in the league either. Guess what, no one is entitled to be in the NHL no matter how hard they work or what they are willing to sacrifice if you can’t play hockey. Leaving a spot open for a goon isn’t creating an opportunity, it is wasting a roster space that can be filled by another hockey player.

You need to make it painful for the team to use disposable players and not make it worthwhile for players to do “whatever” it takes.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 04/16/12 at 04:00 PM ET

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I’ve long thought that any suspension for a player should also create a fine for his team.

I think they should also add up on a rising scale. The more suspensions your players get, the more trouble you get into.

I would also start automatically suspending coaches after a certain point, although I’m not sure what I want that point to be right now.

I’d also look so far as to see if things like this stem from a broken organizational philosophy and go so far as to fine GMs for putting together teams like that, especially in cases where a guy is called up by a GM for what becomes obvious is an intent to goon it up.

Unfortunately, the league remains an old-boys club and the GMs are part of why the Shanaham regime lost its teeth before the midway part of the season.  It’s something that’s very clearly never going to happen, especially when games like yesterdays Pens/Flyers games pull finals-level ratings from the first round.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/16/12 at 04:10 PM ET

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Posted by JT from pitt on 04/16/12 at 01:01 PM ET

Got a video link for this?

Posted by SolidTG7 on 04/16/12 at 04:24 PM ET

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I dont have a link thats why I posted that here.  I’m not sure how to do that.  It was early in the third period, I read elsewhere that it was Schenn and not Couturier.  Either way it was a bad hit, I’d like to see it again.

Posted by JT from PITT on 04/16/12 at 04:34 PM ET

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There was an elbow to the back of the head along the boards near center ice if I recall the play and should have been two minutes. Not quite in the same league as leaving your feet to deliver a blow. I understand the frustration at times, but the same with Carkner on Boyle, there is a limit to what is a “reasonable” retaliation.  Byslma knew Neal was hot and chose to let him go back out after Giroux, which shows the game had gotten away from the Pens coaching staff.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 04/16/12 at 04:42 PM ET

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Yea I am in no way saying what Neal or any Pen did was justified by a previous incident.  Just thought watching it live the hit Neal took looked bad.  Either way its dissapointing to see this series turn out this way.  Yea I’m a pens fan and I can live with the Pens losing.  I just feel as a hockey fan I’ve been robbed of seeing what should have been a great series.  I dont mind fighting, but I’d much rather watch some good hockey. Pens are just a trainwreck right now. You always here that the fans hate their teams rival way more than the players do, but this series has me rethinking that old saying

Posted by JT from pitt on 04/16/12 at 05:05 PM ET

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As a Penguins fan that game was a joke and an embarrassment for the organization. Both Neal and Asham deserve to sit for the rest of the series and if it happens that is only 1 more game, they should miss a few to start next season. No need for that nonsense.

Posted by Russian Rocket on 04/16/12 at 12:01 PM ET

Replace Neal with Bylsma, and I’d agree. Not sure if there’s any textbook infraction committed by Neal on either of these hits that warrants a suspension (the Couturier one could even be argued to be a collision, rather than a hit, and any highness on Giroux didn’t connect), but the guy was clearly just looking to run people and DB didn’t control him. Kept putting him out there, knowing full-well he was just looking to inflict pain.

Posted by larry from pitt on 04/16/12 at 05:54 PM ET

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Neal is a repeat offender.

Neal was also fined $2,500 in November for high-sticking Montreal defenseman PK Subban

hit in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmdBgOJjIAc&feature=player_embedded

Posted by FlyersFan on 04/16/12 at 06:07 PM ET

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I think the league will actually come down hard on the Pens, this isn’t about player saftey, but about embarrasing the league. The NHL couldn’t care less if a player gets turnbuckled or assaulted, but sure as hell don’t expose them for being run like a bush league organization or they’ll go medieval on your ass.

The NHL loves the media attention, but Sunday’s game has drudged up too much tcrap hat has happened in the past week and the non-NHL media is having a field day with this stuff. The NHL really doesn’t care what the regular NHL media says on a daily basis, because they do a pretty good job of controlling that message when it matters most - the CBA negotiations.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 04/16/12 at 06:39 PM ET

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