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Turco Signs With Chicago

via Chris Kuc tweet,

Blackhawks confirm they are walking away from Antti’s Niemi’s arbitration award and have signed Marty Turco to a one-year contract.

added 10:54am, Remember Turco’s agent saying last week that Turco would be a starter with a contender?

added 12:02pm, from Tim Sassone of Between The Circles,

Unfortunately for Niemi, the Hawks had to play hardball with somebody over money and he just happened to the in the wrong place at the wrong time as the last guy in line.

It hurt Niemi and the Hawks badly when San Jose signed Niklas Hjalmarsson to that four-year, $14 million offer sheet. While the Hawks matched, it cost them probably $1 million or more than they expected to pay Hjalmarsson. That was the money needed to keep Niemi.

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Osrt's avatar

Please let me the first to say, “bwahahahhahahahah.”

Welcome back to being our biotch Marty.

Posted by Osrt on 08/02/10 at 12:57 PM ET

ColdWar's avatar

Awesome news for the wings.

Posted by ColdWar on 08/02/10 at 12:58 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Anyone know Turco’s career record against the Wings?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 08/02/10 at 12:59 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Me likey.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 08/02/10 at 01:01 PM ET

ColdWar's avatar

“Turco’s regular-season career record against the Red Wings is 2-10-5. His NHL record in their home, Joe Louis Arena, is a miserable 0-7-2.”

from:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/hockey/stars/stories/050808dnspoturco.3c2017f.html

As of 08.

Posted by ColdWar on 08/02/10 at 01:09 PM ET

Yankee Canuck's avatar

Turco is a career 6 - 12 - 5 against Detroit.

Posted by Yankee Canuck on 08/02/10 at 01:12 PM ET

mrfluffy's avatar

Turco is 6-12-5 against the Wings…not sure on percentage and GAA….

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 08/02/10 at 01:13 PM ET

mrfluffy's avatar

Heh…beat to it it seems….

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 08/02/10 at 01:13 PM ET

Yankee Canuck's avatar

Sorry didn’t include the source:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/t/turcoma01/splits/

To answer your question fluffy, it’s a 897 S% and a 2.95 GAA.

His numbers against Vancouver are far more depressing (18 – 7 – 2).

Posted by Yankee Canuck on 08/02/10 at 01:18 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Thanks everyone for replying to the Turco question.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 08/02/10 at 01:19 PM ET

Russian Rocket's avatar

Good news for you Wings fans.  Now where will Niemi wind up?  San Jose would most likely be interested.  As would Philly I have to imagine, but they would have to move a player or two.

Posted by Russian Rocket on 08/02/10 at 01:20 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

I love this news.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/02/10 at 01:20 PM ET

mrfluffy's avatar

Oh I wouldn’t worry too much about his numbers improving against the ‘Nucks…

The Hawks still might have to dump more salary.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 08/02/10 at 01:20 PM ET

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Wow.  I didn’t think there was any way they weren’t going to keep Niemi at 2.75.  I figured 3mil would have been Chicago’s breaking point.  Crazy.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 08/02/10 at 01:31 PM ET

Primis's avatar

*maniacal laughing*

Is this story real?  Are you serious?

Remember how I said how i think the Hawks won’t even make the playoff this year?  This seals it.  They’ve lost too much, what they have remaining isn’t good enough… and now they bring in one of the biggest head-case goalies in the game today, who is widely known as being OWNED throughout his career by the Hawks single biggest rival.

And as Mr. Fluffy rightly points out, the Hawks STILL aren’t going to be done dumping salary.

The Cap works folks.  If you horribly mis-manage your roster and cap space, you pay a huge price.

Posted by Primis on 08/02/10 at 01:33 PM ET

Leo_Racicot's avatar

At the very least we know that for 250k more, Turco could’ve gone to the Flyers who already had three solid lines of defensive pairings set in stone.

Think he knew that Hjal’s would’ve been signed to a 3.5m contract (thus further shrinking Bowman’s cap space) back then? 

Seems like a bad decision on first glance.

I’m really intrigued by where Niemi falls as well.  Somebody mentioned San Jose, I really think they’re sold on Nittymaki as their number one guy with Thorton’s contract expiring after this season.

Teams that jump out at me based on existing situations:
Atlanta (The Hawks bailout team)
Dallas
Edmonton
Washington

I’m sure Yzerman and Holland are giving their rosters a second look this afternoon as well.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 08/02/10 at 01:35 PM ET

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I think Caps might be a destination.  I’ve heard them mentioned as possible destinations for Niemi.  Now, how weird if Caps lose Huet a few years back to a ridiculous deal from Chicago, whose bad contract ultimately forces them to say goodbye to Niemi, who then ends up with the Caps.

Posted by scurvy_bllaaarrrrrgh on 08/02/10 at 02:09 PM ET

Moq's avatar

That wasn’t entirely surprising outcome, and I speculated about Turco replacing Niemi a few weeks ago. The offer sheet to Hjalmarsson triggered that scenario. Even a very reasonable arbitration amount to Niemi was too much to ensure modest cap maneuverability and they had to walk away. That being said, I don’t there’s a great deal of difference between the two goaltenders regardless of record against the Wings. Playoffs still shouldn’t be a problem, but legitimate title defender probability certainly took a blow this offseason.

And as Mr. Fluffy rightly points out, the Hawks STILL aren’t going to be done dumping salary.

Apart from demoting Huet or finding an European employer, the salary dumping process should be finished.

Posted by Moq from Denmark on 08/02/10 at 02:13 PM ET

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I don’t know why people are acting like Niemi is a guy that’s tough to lose.

In hindsight, we may find out he was tough for the Hawks to let leave.

But as it stands now, Niemi, at best, has a half-season’s worth of solid NHL work to look at. And while he was solid in the playoffs, he was no better than “solid,” where the Hawks were able to score enough to overcome a mediocre GAA.

I’m not saying that Turco is better (hell, as a Wings fan, I’m pumped the Hawks signed Turco!). But it’s a bit of a stretch to say a guy with a half-season of NHL experience and little fanfare as a prospect is far superior to Turco, a guy that will likely win 300 NHL games before he retires… and despite his team’s spotty playoff success, he still has 20 postseason wins and a VERY good GAA over that time.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 08/02/10 at 02:15 PM ET

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I think you gotta say the following:

Washington - have two very young, unproven guys.
Colorado - both Anderson & Budaj expire at season’s end.  Niemi long term could prove to be cheaper than resigning Anderson..
Tampa - Smith expires at season’s end and this would be an upgrade.
Ottawa - Would have to move Leclaire’s salary, but would be an upgrade.
Islanders - have the space and have question marks with DiPietro’s ability to prolong his career.

Posted by ProjectMayhem on 08/02/10 at 02:16 PM ET

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I don’t know why people are acting like Niemi is a guy that’s tough to lose.

Posted by Nathan from Jonny Ericsson’s ice cream truck on 08/02/10 at 12:15 PM ET

It’s more the hilarity of Turco now wearing a Hawks sweater…  what WIngs fan fears any team that has Turco in net?  It got so bad in DAL the past year or so they woulnd’t even play him against DET, knowing they were in his head.

So now Turco signs with a team that faces the Wings 6 times a year instead of 4.

Should be fun.

Posted by Primis on 08/02/10 at 02:21 PM ET

Nathan's avatar

Apart from demoting Huet or finding an European employer, the salary dumping process should be finished.

Posted by Moq from Denmark on 08/02/10 at 12:13 PM ET

Not sure what Turco got, but they are probably around $2 million over the cap now, and still need to fill 5 spots. Burying Huet will do it, but they’ll be a very shallow team up front with no way to improve over the course of the season, and few resources to sustain any kind of significant injury.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 08/02/10 at 02:23 PM ET

TheFreak's avatar

I thought he was signing with a contender? wink

Posted by TheFreak on 08/02/10 at 02:24 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

And as Mr. Fluffy rightly points out, the Hawks STILL aren’t going to be done dumping salary.

Apart from demoting Huet or finding an European employer, the salary dumping process should be finished.

Moq’s right.  Assuming that Turco is making about $1.25M (I’ve got between 1 and 1.5 now, so I split the difference), and if they dump Huet, they’ll have $9.5M to get themselves a backup goalie, 2 defensemen, and 3 forwards. 

6 players for $9.5M is doable.

Of course, if the Hawks are losing money like they claim to be, then it still sucks that they have to pay Huet’s $5.6M salary in the minors.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/02/10 at 02:26 PM ET

Nate A's avatar

TSN says $1.3M. That’s really not a bad price, and is probably about equivalent to Niemi in net.

But yeah, Turk against the Wings 6 times a year is giggle worthy.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 08/02/10 at 02:27 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Moq’s right.  Assuming that Turco is making about $1.25M (I’ve got between 1 and 1.5 now, so I split the difference), and if they dump Huet, they’ll have $9.5M to get themselves a backup goalie, 2 defensemen, and 3 forwards. 

6 players for $9.5M is doable.


It’s a Monday, please forgive me.  I just realized I double-counted Huet’s salary savings if he goes.

Hawks have about $4.4M to fill those 6 roster spots.  That’s still entirely possible, but it paints a much less rosy picture of what they’ll be able to do with their third defensive pairing and depth forwards.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/02/10 at 02:28 PM ET

Leo_Racicot's avatar

Turco officially signed for 1.3m and he could’ve had 2m with the Flyers?

So a 5.4m annual veteran came in under all of these cats:

Mason
Ellis
Nittymaki
Halak
Leighton
Harding and Pavelec are making just a bit (<20k) under him. 

What an absolute bargain, there must be somebodying leaving a few grand in a swiss bank account today.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 08/02/10 at 02:39 PM ET

Moq's avatar

Not sure what Turco got, but they are probably around $2 million over the cap now, and still need to fill 5 spots. Burying Huet will do it, but they’ll be a very shallow team up front with no way to improve over the course of the season, and few resources to sustain any kind of significant injury.

The combined duo of Turco and Toivonen would cost around $2M, which leaves approx. $3.2M for 3-4 roster spots, and some injury cushion, after demoting Huet.

Granted, that equates to minimum salary ballpark, but some tentative and highly speculative capgeeking still offers a reasonable 21 or 22-man roster cost with a decent surplus for injuries.

Posted by Moq from Denmark on 08/02/10 at 02:40 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

I gotta say, the concept of the Hawks trying to use a few minimum-salary guys to field a 21-man roster for the upcoming season would make a lot of people who don’t like Chicago pretty happy, I think.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/02/10 at 02:49 PM ET

Leo_Racicot's avatar

It is quite intriguing to see how these goaltending contracts are taking quite a dive… just a few off seasons ago we were seeing guys like Pascal Leclaire command 3.8m annually. 

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/sort.php?pos=G&type=none

Next summer, these goalies are UFA’s or RFA’s.  Wonder what they’re going to command?

Tom Vokoun
JS Giggy
Craig Anderson
Ilya Bryzgalov
Pascal Leclaire
Steve Mason
Varlamov
Jim Howard
Chris Osgood
Brian Elliott

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 08/02/10 at 02:58 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

It is quite intriguing to see how these goaltending contracts are taking quite a dive…

It’s a really good point.  Hell, you could use only the Blackhawks as an example.  Niemi had the misfortune of having his Carey Price year in a down market and was arbitrated less than half of that big ass albatross.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/02/10 at 03:01 PM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/02/10 at 01:01 PM ET

Amen to the Niemi sentiment.  Do you think he’ll see 2.75m on the open market?  2m?

I remember being quite impressed with the Osgood deal just two off-seasons ago, now it increasingly feels like the direction of where the league is moving.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 08/02/10 at 03:08 PM ET

Moq's avatar

I gotta say, the concept of the Hawks trying to use a few minimum-salary guys to field a 21-man roster for the upcoming season would make a lot of people who don’t like Chicago pretty happy, I think.

That’ll mostly be fourth liners, so it’s not a disaster or particularly different than other teams. The weakening of Chicago is quality of their third line and general forward flexibility lost.

The main problem is the third pairing. Hendry (unconfirmed re-signing) and Scott isn’t the most impressive third pairing imaginable. With a couple of minimum salary forwards, and just a 21-man roster, they could invest a little extra in a veteran defenceman. But I’m not their capologist.

Posted by Moq from Denmark on 08/02/10 at 03:09 PM ET

Red Winger's avatar

Who was it that said the Blackhawks would not be nearly as hurt by salary cap issues at the end of the season as most were predicting? Some Pens fan on here.

Anyway, this is a big exclamation point on an off-season that has been a major kick in the nutz for Chicago.

Welcome to the Windy City, Marty. Let me thank you in advance for the multiple points you will give us this upcoming season.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 08/02/10 at 03:09 PM ET

w2j2's avatar

Turco in Chicago!  Perfect!

  LOL

Posted by w2j2 on 08/02/10 at 03:11 PM ET

Leo_Racicot's avatar

You know who else comes out of this looking horrible?  The Dallas Stars.

They signed an unproven goaltender to a three year 10.65m deal back on May 11th.  Think they want that back?  Big lesson learned for Mr. Nieuwendyk. 

If I’m a Stars fan, I’m absolutely livid seeing 1.3 next to Marty’s name this afternoon.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 08/02/10 at 03:21 PM ET

Moq's avatar

Who was it that said the Blackhawks would not be nearly as hurt by salary cap issues at the end of the season as most were predicting? Some Pens fan on here.

That was me. Of course, that was before the $4M deferred bonus was known. The negative prognosticators didn’t know about that either, and you cannot argue that $4M wouldn’t have made quite a difference. Despite the current result, I don’t consider the Blackhawks to be crippled beyond contention. Not a favourite to repeat the Cup win on paper, but very few teams manage to accomplish that regardless of subtractions and additions. Depending on unknowns like Turco, they should be in the mix.

The bonus “penalty” has one advantage though, it’s a virtual buffer for extending Seabrook after next season. Rather than gradual roster changes they’ve made most of the necessary cuts now, and should be able to contend for years (if they learn from their cap mistakes).

Posted by Moq from Denmark on 08/02/10 at 03:48 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Amen to the Niemi sentiment.  Do you think he’ll see 2.75m on the open market?  2m?

Probably closer to 2.75 than 2.  I can’t see him getting any less than 2.  He might not impress me too greatly, but there are lots of GMs out there looking for goaltending help and he’s definitely good enough to command a 2m floor.

Does seem like the surround the cheap goaltender with a solid, stacked defense plan from the Wings is catching on.  I think the next trend will go towards cheaper defensemen while goaltenders start getting slight raises in a few years.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/02/10 at 04:27 PM ET

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The main problem is the third pairing. Hendry (unconfirmed re-signing) and Scott isn’t the most impressive third pairing imaginable. With a couple of minimum salary forwards, and just a 21-man roster, they could invest a little extra in a veteran defenceman. But I’m not their capologist.

Freddy Meyer is looking for a $500K contract.  I’m certain Brendan Witt would take that cash as well. 

Up the money a bit and Bowman could land Lukas Krajicek, Shane Hnidy, Randy Jones…

Posted by ProjectMayhem on 08/02/10 at 04:52 PM ET

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detroit fans must be laughing super hard at chicago. they’ll easily get 5 wins against em next season.

Posted by Oilers Rock from Edmonton, Alberta on 08/02/10 at 05:27 PM ET

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