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Too Much For JVR?

from Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal,

If you’re wondering what two middling seasons in the NHL is worth, check out James van Riemsdyk’s new six-year extension in Philadelphia.

The 22-year-0ld Flyers’ winger had 35 points his first full season and 40 last year. He just got $4.25 million a year, for six seasons from Flyers’ owner Ed Snider, who has money to burn because he also owns the cable giant Comcast. This is a giant leap of faith for a kid who has size (6’3″, 200 pounds) and skill but has blown by the intermediate stage in salary….

All we know is, GM’s on other teams with similiar young players must be privately cursing the Flyers because agents will certainly use the JVR deal as their comparable. Van Riemsdyk, the second player chosen in the 2007 draft after Patrick Kane, has talent. But has he really done enough to warrant this sudden largesse?

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You can afford what looks like a slightly overpaid number in the summer for guys like JVR, especially when it comes at the great length his deal did.  When Letang signed for 4.5 last summer everyone thought that was too much, and it was if he wasn’t going to progress.  The point is now Letang is a steal at 4.5 just like JVR will be at 4.25, especially in 3-4 years if he lives up to that potential.  He needs to live up to that figure and his numbers last playoffs but if he does that then 4.25 looks pretty nice for the next six seasons from the Flyers perspective.

Posted by JBM on 08/30/11 at 11:39 PM ET

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Letang makes $3.5 million. It’s a fair deal for Van Riemsdyk.

Posted by cs6687 on 08/31/11 at 12:46 AM ET


I didn’t totally believe in JVR until this past year’s playoffs. Previously he didn’t show a lot of aggression. He seemed timid his first year. He really transformed over the season. He was a true force as the regular season waned and displayed his size, speed, and rocket shot in the playoffs. A very special talent. He’ll be well worth it.
FYI - Snider doesn’t own Comcast. He is a partner with Comcast in Comcast-Spectator. He owns 37% of that partnership. Comcast-Spectator owns a venue operating business, the Flyers, until recently the Sixers, and the Wells Fargo Center, amongst other things. He founded the Flyers and built the Spectrum (Spectator) and does run the Flyers. Brian Roberts is the head of Comcast. His father the founder.

Posted by JYD from PHL on 08/31/11 at 01:02 AM ET


Letang makes $3.5 million. It’s a fair deal for Van Riemsdyk.

Posted by cs6687 on 08/30/11 at 10:46 PM ET

More to the point, Malone, Erat, Leino and Hartnell all play the same position and all make the same thing. Anybody want one of those guys over JVR?

Posted by steviesteve on 08/31/11 at 01:22 AM ET


Because the cap is always changing, $4.25 million this year just isn’t the same as what it was last year, or the year before, or the year before.

Philadelphia is a team that will always spend up to the cap. $64.3 million spread over a 23-man roster yields a maximum potential average of a shade under $2.8 million per player. $4.25 million represents less than 7 percent of a max payroll.

Yes, the cap could go down in the future (though if it’s done via a new CBA, there would likely be salary rollbacks across the board). And yes, JVR could hit a wall in his development.

But if that happens and JVR becomes the next Val Filppula (talented and reliable, but nowhere near as offensively productive as once hoped), at worst he’s slightly overpaid for at least some of the next six years. You can keep him around, or you can ship him off to a cap-floor GM who needs to save his job.

If JVR continues to improve, even modestly, then it’s a pretty good deal. If the doesn’t improve at all but the cap goes to $70 million, it’s still a pretty good deal. And if he becomes a consistent 55-65 point forward (or better), it’s a bargain.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 08/31/11 at 01:53 AM ET


More to the point, Malone, Erat, Leino and Hartnell all play the same position and all make the same thing. Anybody want one of those guys over JVR?

I would take Malone… But I have a Pittsburgh bias.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 08/31/11 at 02:08 AM ET


Let’s put it this way. I would rather had JVR at 4.25 than Ericsson at 3.25.

JVR has a huge upside. He’s their number 1 LW on multiple depth charts and he put up more points last year playing fewer games than the year prior to that.

Given all this, I’m still interested to see how Philly turns out. They are still a big ? in my eyes. Carter, Richards, Leino gone. Jagr? Bryz? Schenn?

Its gonna be interesting.

Posted by callmedrw on 08/31/11 at 09:38 AM ET

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