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Thoughts On Hybrid Icing?

Darren Dreger in his Dreger Report (more topics) states..

...the clock is ticking toward a final decision on the use of hybrid icing in the upcoming regular season. 

The NHLPA has to sign off on the change before it can be officially implemented. The PA intends on gathering feedback from players starting next week, but no decision has been made by the players as to how the intel will be gathered.

While it's too soon to predict how the players will act on the matter in the days ahead, there's reason to believe they will opt to stay with status quo and reject hybrid icing.

So how do you feel about the hybrid icing?  Have you seen enough games to make a decision, if so, what is it or do you need more time to see it?

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It seems to me that way more injuries have occurred at the end boards due to the post lockout interference rules than the race for the puck on an icing play ever did.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 09/19/13 at 12:38 PM ET

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in theory, hybrid icing makes sense, but the problem will occur when linesmen are forced to determine whether to waive off hybrid icing if an offensive player has an advantage at getting to the puck. This can be a very subjective situation that forces refs/linesmen to take into consideration the score, time in the game, etc. And we already know refs/linesmen don’t do all that great in these circumstances.

Posted by scooter on 09/19/13 at 12:45 PM ET

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Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 09/19/13 at 01:38 PM ET

Agreed, this is what really seems like the dirty secret, where most of us are hypocrites, myself included. I thought the game would be better if interference were cracked down on heavily. And to a huge degree, it is. But the unintended consequence that never crossed my mind back in the early ‘00s was that the inability to hold up a player would lead to bigger and harder hits, and more and more severe injuries.

I can’t help but think that there’s a middle-ground. As an example, if you’re in a 50/50 race with a player to a puck, or with a player carrying the puck near the wall, you should be able to get an arm and/or stick around him as a part of executing a body check. This would allow guys to slow things down going into the wall, which if you go back to the late ‘90s, was a very very common way to hit along the boards. In retrospect, it seems much safer. The key is, the discretion has to be there. We can’t let open ice obstruction creep back in.

And it’s hard to believe anything like this is possible anyhow, because the officiating standards seem to change from period-to-period.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 09/19/13 at 01:44 PM ET

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in theory, hybrid icing makes sense, but the problem will occur when linesmen are forced to determine whether to waive off hybrid icing if an offensive player has an advantage at getting to the puck. This can be a very subjective situation that forces refs/linesmen to take into consideration the score, time in the game, etc. And we already know refs/linesmen don’t do all that great in these circumstances.

Seriously. Hybrid icing is an AWFUL idea.

Posted by godblender on 09/19/13 at 01:45 PM ET

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Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 09/19/13 at 02:44 PM ET

I remember Darren McCarty saying a bit about being allowed to deliver a “bear hug” hit into a guy along the boards the last time he was on tv, that way you could take your man out of the play and control the amount of force you deliver on the hit.  Interference rules make that play illegal nowadays.  I thought that was a pretty good point.

As far as open ice interference goes, I wish hockey would adopt basketball’s philosophy in the way of charging and blocking fouls.  Defense should be allowed to obstruct away as long as they are in position in front of an advancing forward.  If they interfere from behind, make the call, otherwise the defenseman should be permitted to defend.  I really fuching hate watching forwards clutch, jump, and crawl over d-men (who are in position) and get the call when they trip over the d-man’s stick.  To me that’s self incurred by the forward. 

I prefer the old way when defensemen were given the presumption of innocence with that crap.  I remember when forwards actually had to do the work of getting open for a shot themselves.  When was the last time you saw one of Shanahan or Hull’s classic one timers from the face off dot?  It’s been a long time.  Today’s routine of “work it back to the blue line, shoot it in and hope for a garbage goal in the crease” is a crappy brand of hockey, and I really think the interference rules lead to that “innovation.” 

But I digress on that point.  The icing thing really seems like NHL trying to address a problem without addressing the primary cause.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 09/19/13 at 02:22 PM ET

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The icing thing really seems like NHL trying to address a problem without addressing the primary cause.

Come on, the NHL would never do that!

Posted by Garth on 09/19/13 at 02:55 PM ET

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I think i’d rather give hybrid icing a real chance to succeed then go back to the standard that allowed such awful neutral zone/blue line interference plays.

Especially since I think eliminating the trapezoid could do well to combine with hybrid icing and prevent a lot of the dangerous unnecessary hits that have come up as a result of all the rule changes.

Sure, subjectivism is a place to screw up and sure, there’s still always going to be some danger, but I think hybrid icing is a step in the right direction both for the safety and the flow of the game.  The few seconds which get shaved every game waiting for a touch up can get used in the offensive zone off the ensuing faceoff instead… which should make the punishment for icing the puck at least slightly more effective, because faceoffs should happen sooner and there should be slightly more time for a team to do what it does.

I don’t like the idea of “if it’s not perfect it’s not worth it.”  Hybrid icing is better and therefore is worth it.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/19/13 at 03:43 PM ET

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