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This Wasn’t Supposed To Happen But It Did

from Nicholas J, Cotsonika of Yahoo,

The Pittsburgh Penguins are not supposed to be able to add Jarome Iginla, not when they had already added Brenden Morrow and Douglas Murray. Not when they already had last year’s Hart Trophy winner and this year’s presumptive MVP. Not when they already had a supporting cast that included other top scorers and character players and a Norris Trophy candidate and a Stanley Cup-winning goalie. Not when they were already on a double-digit winning streak.

Thanks to the hard salary cap, there aren’t supposed to be teams like the Detroit Red Wings of the early 2000s, who blew out their budget and stockpiled future Hall of Famers. There aren’t supposed to be teams like the New York Yankees of legend or the Miami Heat of “The Decision.”

Thanks to the hard salary cap, there isn’t supposed to be room on the payroll or the roster. The talent is spread evenly throughout the league. The standings are tight, if not from top to bottom, then close to it. The idea is that if you make the playoffs, you can win the Cup, like the eighth-seeded Los Angeles Kings did last season.

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They still have a sieve in goal.

Posted by timbits on 03/28/13 at 10:04 AM ET

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There’s also a fairly finite period of time a team can move assets until they run out of them.  So far Pittsburgh has moved their 1 and 2 next year and a conditional 2 or 3 in ‘14, along with 3 prospects for Iginla, Morrow and Murray.  All of those guys are expiring this year and it’s highly unlikely Pittsburgh can retain any of them without moving existing players.

That’s a whole lot to give up for one season.

So, based on the layout of the league Shero has looked at the situation and decided (correctly, imo) that this is a great year for him to push his chips in given the position of the Pens.  Now, whether or not that works out for him is yet to be seen, and the history of trades suggests it won’t, but I agree with his general thought process.

What’s different with Pittsburgh is that, unlike pre-cap Detroit, there’s no way they can keep that up for very long.  Detroit either outspent people in the FA period or traded away all of their picks at the deadline because they knew they could just go out and sign a vet to fill in the roster, and they could do that forever because they could spend pretty much as much as they wanted.

Pittsburgh can’t do that.  Further, in this NHL those young and cheap talents acquired in the draft are even more important as they allow clubs to still go out and find more highly priced FAs.  Eventually they’re going to pay.

Eventually.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/28/13 at 10:38 AM ET

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Timbits, you must not have seen the 09 playoffs, especially games 6 and 7 of the finals.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 03/28/13 at 10:50 AM ET

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Timbits, you must not have seen the 09 playoffs, especially games 6 and 7 of the finals.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 03/28/13 at 10:50 AM ET

Actually, that’s kinda the point. One period, MAF plays like the best goalie in the game, and the next, he’s a dumpster fire.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/28/13 at 10:38 AM ET

Exactly. Cotsonika’s comparison doesn’t hold water because of the cap. The Pens should be able to retain Murray without much trouble (unless he really just doesn’t like playing in Pittsburgh for some reason). If Morrow is effective with the Pens, it will be hard for them to keep him because some bottom-feeder that has to hit the floor will overpay for two or three years of the shell of a power forward. Iginla is the real guy you’d want to keep if possible, and it would require a pretty sizable “hometown” discount from him for it to work. The Wings of the early ‘00s stockpiled HOFers via UFA and trade, and signed those guys to contracts because they could.

The Murray price seems a bit steep. Even the Morrow price seems a bit steep. The price for Iginla feels like a steal. I know they have given up a lot, but they are clearly the favorite to win the Cup. The only reason I’d knock Shero is because, other than Murray, what real NEED did these trades fill? They definitely needed a tough D-man. But did the Pens have trouble scoring? Did they have a lack of scoring depth, with guys like Dupuis putting the puck in the net regularly? The end result is what matters, so if they win a Cup nobody will question it. But I’m thinking this was a Cup team already, so why throw away future assets on Morrow and Iginla both? I have to think the Iginla deal was almost more to keep him away from Boston than anything.

Before these trades, and after, it still looks like the Pens and Bs are on a collision course for some great playoff hockey in a couple month’s time.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 03/28/13 at 11:14 AM ET

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NHLJeff, you must not have seen the ‘12 playoffs, especially the, uh, right, there was just one round (for my team too, of course).

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 03/28/13 at 11:17 AM ET

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Nathan, Morrow wasn’t acquired for scoring.  It was to provide a physical presence and make the Pens tougher to play against.  He will open up space for Malkin and Neal (if thats the line) and punish the other teams D.  Any scoring above and beyond that is great, but not needed.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 03/28/13 at 12:02 PM ET

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The only reason I’d knock Shero is because, other than Murray, what real NEED did these trades fill?

If I’m Shero I’m thinking that keeping the guy from some other team in the East is a value-add, because I don’t think Iginla was going to get traded within the West.  So, maybe Pitt didn’t need him, but they could use him… and some other clubs did actually need him who now can’t have him.

As far as keeping those guys goes, Pitt has 10 million to sign between 5-7 guys, and one of them is an RFA deal to Kennedy that’s going to be at least 2 mil.  2ish to him and even just 2 to Murray and then Pitt would have <6 mil for 3-5 guys.  They’re pretty snug against the cap.

 

Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/28/13 at 01:35 PM ET

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with 3 prospects for Iginla, Morrow and Murray.  All of those guys are expiring this year and it’s highly unlikely Pittsburgh can retain any of them without moving existing players.

That’s a whole lot to give up for one season.

Correction, they’ve moved one prospect, Morrow.

Hanowski and Agostino…these aren’t players where the expectation was they’d be NHL contributors. Hanowski’s visibly, obviously too slow to be an NHL player and Agostino…there are about 90 of him in the NCAA at present. To put this in perspective, these guys haven’t been tendered NHL contracts. And if they should decide they don’t want to be Flames, they’re UFA on July 1 because they have been seen as too unimportant to ink to this point.

It’s difficult to come up with a similar trade in which so little was moved for a player like Iginla. Take the Kovalchuk trade. I doubt Hanowski and Agostino could have been moved for any single component that went back to Atlanta in that deal.

This isn’t Shero moving Nyquist and Jurco. It’s Shero moving Mitch Callahan and Jake Paterson.

Posted by larry on 03/28/13 at 02:14 PM ET

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That can’t be right, no GM’s are out to make Shero’s team better.  Any significant trade will likely cost 4 of their top F prospects and 3 of their top D prospects and AT LEAST 5 roster players, and not Miller’s and Eaves, we’re talking Pav’s and Z’s.  I don’t believe Shero made this trade, he had to have agreed to kill someone too or something, knowing what the asking price for Iggy was.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 03/28/13 at 04:55 PM ET

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