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The NHLPA Wants Your Opinion

via the NHLPA,

Every year we ask for the players opinions on a number of topics. Now we want to hear yours! It’s your turn to answer Player Poll questions just like NHLPA members.

Should fighting be banned in the NHL?

Which Canadian City should get the next NHL team?

Tell us what you think. Submit your answers and we’ll post the results!

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Noooooooooo…....

There’s no “Should fighting be banned in the NHL? ” question in there!
Tricky little bastards!

Ah, well, worth the time, I guess

P.S.: For anyone curious, I would have submited a YES to ban fighting

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 02/14/12 at 08:21 PM ET

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I’d rather they ask if we think they’re a bunch of idiots for overstepping their bounds when it comes to re-working the divisions.

If you get rid of fighting, you might as well end the sport altogether. the sissification of major sports is getting old…really really old.

Give MooseJaw or Peterborough an NHL franchise.

Posted by The Hurricane on 02/14/12 at 08:28 PM ET

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Give me 1 ( ONE ) good reason for fighting be allowed on the NHL, and I change my mind

Just please, dont give the “players gotta defend themselves” crap
If you believe in that, you’re too stupid to get into any serious argument at all

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 02/14/12 at 08:44 PM ET

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Give me 1 ( ONE ) good reason for fighting be allowed on the NHL, and I change my mindJust please, dont give the “players gotta defend themselves” crap
If you believe in that, you’re too stupid to get into any serious argument at all

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 02/14/12 at 05:44 PM ET

You’re not a player and have never played in the NHL, first of all.

Second:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RegRsCHYdRI
Game six, Penguins up three games to two on the Flyers. Flyers up 3-0 and Talbot decided to fight Carcillo, knowing he very well may get his ass handed to him. He does, then he hands his ass back to all of Philadelphia with his “Shhhh
Malkin scored 11 seconds later, and the Penguins went on to win 5-3 over a suddenly listless Flyers team.

Third:
Pittsburgh played San Jose earlier in the year and were up 2-0 in the first. The Sharks were lethargic. At the end of the 1st and start of the 2nd the Penguins accepted fights that they lost which very obviously gave the Sharks momentum - they had nothing going for them before that. The Sharks won.

Fourth:
Today from Dan Bylsma:
On taking fighting out of the game:
There are different topics of conversation here of the purpose of fighting in the game and staying or going and talking about stage fighting. I’ve seen conversations about that and those types of situations. I played college hockey where we didn’t have fighting. I played amateur hockey where my dad was going to take me off the rink if I ever got in a fight. That’s what I tell my son when it comes to amateur hockey, but in professional hockey it’s a factor in the game. Immediately when I stepped on the ice as a professional, I think it is a factor in the game. It’s part of our game and that spontaneous part of that game is going to be a part of our game and continue to do so.

Posted by NathanBC on 02/14/12 at 08:59 PM ET

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I’d rather they ask if we think they’re a bunch of idiots for overstepping their bounds when it comes to re-working the divisions.

This.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 02/14/12 at 09:09 PM ET

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Posted by NathanBC on 02/14/12 at 05:59 PM ET

Ok, lets see your 4 “arguments”...

1) “Ive never played on the NHL, THEREFORE fighting is a good think”
Oooookay… Seriously???

2) Someone scored a goal after a fight, on a game
Really?
I guess throwing an octopus on the ice is a good thing for the NHL, then, because Im sure the Wings scored after one was throw in, at least a few times…
Lets make Octpi throwing OFICIAL and MANDATORY, then!!!!!!!!

3) OMFG, another case of a goal after a fight!!!!  That’s it, I can see it cleary now!!!!

4) Well, if Bylsma said it, IT’S GOTTA BE TRUE!!!!!


Come on, at least try to put up an argument, or I’m just gonna call you a freaking TROLL…

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 02/14/12 at 10:31 PM ET

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Come on, at least try to put up an argument, or I’m just gonna call you a freaking TROLL…

Excuse me, but your only argument is “you’re stupid if you think fighting belongs in the NHL”, which you followed up by completely dismissing an argument without even challenging it, so if I would you I’d look in the mirror before I started calling people trolls.

Posted by Garth on 02/15/12 at 12:31 AM ET

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Posted by Garth on 02/14/12 at 09:31 PM ET

Really?
You think fighting makes players defend themselves from abuse?
You actually think thats a valid argument?

Well, we better let the NFL, MLB and NBA know they have some SERIOUS problems when the players in their leagues dont respect each other
Im pretty sure that explains why NHL is so LESS violent and have so many LESS moronic injuries over those other pathetic leagues!!!!!

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 02/15/12 at 12:52 AM ET

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You think fighting makes players defend themselves from abuse?

No, I don’t think fighting “makes” players do anything.  Lots of players fight in order to punish someone who injures a player on their team, to show them that it is not an acceptable action.

There are punishments that can impact a player’s actions much more than sitting on a bench for two or five minutes.

I don’t have to say whether it’s a valid argument, because I’ve heard actual NHL players say it themselves.

And really, are you honestly going to pretend that there’s a comparison between the fast-paced intensity of NHL hockey and the pace and intensity of the NFL, NBA and MLB?

The NFL has several seconds of action and the only intensity is between linemen/  Then the play is over for a relatively long amount of time.
In the NBA players get punished for making anything more than incidental contact, and if they do it 6 times they are out of the game.
In MLB it is a rare occurrence for players to ever touch one another and players can be thrown out of a game for arguing too intensely.

Compare that the NHL where you have 10 players skating around at high speeds crashing and colliding into one another.  Players trying to get at the net, others doing everything possible to stop them from getting to the net.  Players trip, shove, crosscheck, hook, spear and punch eachother regularly, and sometimes that extreme intensity boils over and two players will fight.  That is a release of their aggression.

Should staged fights be abolished?  Of course they should, but when you have a game as fast, intense and grinding as hockey, tempers are going to flair and players are going to fight.

Should the instigator be abolished?  I think so, because in many cases you’re penalizing a guy for losing his cool when someone slashes, cross-checks, punches or spears them and they retaliate because the ref didn’t see the infraction or didn’t call it and the victim doesn’t want the perpetrator to get off scot free.

You can’t simply get rid of fighting, because what sets off one guy isn’t the same as what sets off the other guy and oftentimes (obviously not always) players don’t think before they get into a fight.  It’s instinct.  Some guy slashes your arm and your first instinct might be to take a swing at him.

But…you still haven’t addressed the use of the fight as a means to try to shift momentum in your team’s favour.  It’s a risky endeavour but it can and does work.  If I want to try to swing the momentum to my team and I can find someone on the other team who is willing to engage in a fight with me, why shouldn’t we be able to do it?

You’ve also ignored what was a calm, well-reasoned remark from Dan Bylsma.  No, just because he said it doesn’t make it true, but he’s experienced the various levels of hockey and, as he said, it can be a spontaneous thing and because of the spontaneity of it and the fact that it is often the result of flared tempers it is simply not something you can just, *poof*, remove from the game.

There are ways to curb it and ways to reduce it, but you’re simply not going to be able to remove it because it isn’t always something done rationally.

Posted by Garth on 02/15/12 at 01:56 AM ET

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Im pretty sure that explains why NHL is so LESS violent and have so many LESS moronic injuries over those other pathetic leagues!!!!!

Take away fighting and hockey is no less a violent game at all, because instead of having two guys agreeing to fight, you have one guy swinging his stick, or raising his elbow, or jumping into a hit against someone who doesn’t want to be a part of it.

And how many injuries regularly come from a fight?  Most injuries that come from fighting are from someone hitting the other player’s helmet.

You’re pretending that anyone who supports fighting is somehow belittling every sport that doesn’t have fighting, but what you apparently don’t realize is that every sport is different.  The intensity level of every sport is different.

Look at golfing and basketball.  When a basketball player in an away game goes to the free throw line, the fans in the stadium make as much noise as possible and wave towels and flags and other things to try and get the player off his game so that he’ll miss the shot.  In golf, is a player is putting and someone coughs, the player has a hissy fit (if he’s Tiger Woods).  Those are two completely different games.  Are the basketball fans moronic because they’re trying to do something to prevent the player from hitting the shot?  Is the golfer a pussy because he’s not good enough to sink a three foot putt unless the entire area is completely silent?

Or does one not have anything to do with the other?

Posted by Garth on 02/15/12 at 02:01 AM ET

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Garth, first of all, you need to learn sarcasm

About what you said of fighting beein used today to make players not kill each other, I understand its a necessity, but its only necessary because the league makes it
Put heavy (and I mean HEAAAAAVY) punishments for anyone that tries to injure another player, and you dont need fighting anymore. Thats what I was meant when I used sarcasm to imply that we needed to “warn” the other leagues they needed start fighting…

So, basically, I understand fighting is needed right now, but I dont think its necessary, and much less that its good for the game
Give me another argument for it, and I may believe it, but this is why I dont buy the “players gotta defend themselves” crap

On to your other points:
- using fights to shift momentum
Well, if you break an opposing team player’s legs, you might get momentum, too… Might as well kill the bastards!!!
Is that really good for the game?
You cant pretend you are not afraid the next fight in the NHL is gonna end up with one player dead. If you arent afraid of that, you are an idiot… Its gonna happen, if this continues, and unfortunetly, I think this discussion is only gonna be taken seriously when it happens…

- Dan Bylsma argument
Really? Did you even read what he said?
I cannot find a single argument in that text, except “Bylsma aproved”...


Sorry about the delay on the reply, it was pretty late over here

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 02/15/12 at 09:26 AM ET

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Garth, first of all, you need to learn sarcasm

I completely understood the point you were making, I was pointing out that your point didn’t work.

So, basically, I understand fighting is needed right now, but I dont think its necessary

Please read that out loud.

Well, if you break an opposing team player’s legs, you might get momentum, too… Might as well kill the bastards!!!

If you break an opponent’s leg you’re going to get a penalty (or misconduct, likely followed by a suspension) putting your team down a man.  That’s not how momentum works.

And how about you don’t pretend that there’s a slight bit of a difference between two guys agreeing to fight one another and one guy maiming or killing another.

You don’t gain momentum by doing what Todd Bertuzzi did to Steve Moore, you gain momentum by engaging a willing participant in a fight.

And yes, I understand your sarcasm, but I responded by attempting to make an actual point instead of being a sarcastic *#$%@&.

Give me another argument for it, and I may believe it, but this is why I dont buy the “players gotta defend themselves” crap

Just because you “don’t buy it” doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Why does it matter what you believe?  Who made you the arbiter of what’s right and wrong in the NHL?

You cant pretend you are not afraid the next fight in the NHL is gonna end up with one player dead.

Yes, I absolutely can because that’s a completely unreasonable fear.  It’s no more likely that someone is going to die as a direct result of a fight as it is from a freak skating accent.

I can be afraid that someone is going to slip on the ice, fall backwards, have his helmet fly off, hit his head on the crossbar and have his brain fall out.  It doesn’t make it likely.

If you arent afraid of that, you are an idiot…

Oh look!  Name calling again!  Boy, you’re good at discussing things like a civil adult.

If the rules were changed to reflect the unreasonable fears that some people might have then hockey wouldn’t be played on ice, there wouldn’t be sticks, they wouldn’t be hitting hard rubber disks around and the players wouldn’t be allowed to touch one another.

So yes, let’s ban fighting.  And hitting.  And hooking.  And slashing.  And roughing.  And cross checking.  And skating.  And ice.  And stopping.  And touching one another.  And giving mean looks at opponents.  And talking, because you could say something mean to an opponent and he could think of it as bullying and go home and kill himself.  And make sure coaches aren’t allowed to yell at their players.  And everyone has to have exactly equal ice time. And no penalties because that makes players feel bad.  And ban fans, because they might yell at the players.

Posted by Garth on 02/15/12 at 11:24 AM ET

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Thanks Garth.

Ok, lets see your 4 “arguments”...
1) “Ive never played on the NHL, THEREFORE fighting is a good think”
Oooookay… Seriously???

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 02/14/12 at 07:31 PM ET

I’ve never been to Brazil but I’ve seen it on TV. I don’t talk like I know what’s going on in Brazil.

Posted by NathanBC on 02/15/12 at 04:13 PM ET

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