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Kadri believed to be looking long-term (6 yrs in Tavares stratosphere of $5.5M per). Leafs want short, 2 yrs at P.K. Subban $ ($2.875M per).

Tough sledding for NYR/RFA Derek Stepan. Player seeks McDonagh $ (6 x $4.7M) but no arb rights, NYR holding firm on Subban level bridge deal

Dialogue on contracts for RFA D, Alex Pietrangelo in STL and Jared Cowen in OTT, is ongoing. Gaps still to be closed but talks continue.

Petro/STL would like 8 yr max term but question is where between $6M and $7M per yr it settles. Karlsson at $6.5M (x7), Doughty at $7M (x8).

Cowen/OTT exploring short and long term deals, everything from 2 yrs to 8. Nothing imminent. Guessing term more likely shorter than longer.

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Kadri believed to be looking long-term (6 yrs in Tavares stratosphere of $5.5M per).


Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 09/03/13 at 04:54 PM ET

Primis's avatar

Tough sledding for NYR/RFA Derek Stepan. Player seeks McDonagh $ (6 x $4.7M) but no arb rights, NYR holding firm on Subban level bridge deal

Why are they balking at him?  He had the equivalent of a 30-35 goal season last year and 70-75 PTS.  Pay the man or you’ll regret it.

Posted by Primis on 09/03/13 at 05:08 PM ET



#2 in scoring on the Leafs last year.
Nearly twice as many points as their big UFA catch, David Clarkson.
More points than Bozak or JVR.
#3 in PPG, behind only Kessel and Bozak, who both make over $5M a year.
And most tellingly, the bought out Grabovski, making him their only choice for 2nd line centre, meaning the Leafs believe he is their #2 guy.

Sure, $5.5M is high, but $4-4.5M is not out of line with 2nd line centres, and the Leafs don’t want to pay him that much.

So, what should he be paid?

Posted by Garth on 09/03/13 at 06:53 PM ET

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The Clarkson deal was the nail in that contractual coffin.  You can’t give Clarkson over 5mil per year, and then expect a young stud (or his agent) to settle for 3mil and change.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 09/03/13 at 08:28 PM ET


Pietrangelo is selling himself short. He should be asking for Letang’s contract or, Hell, signing a one year extension and re-upping for whatever outlandish terms Subban’s about to get on his next extension

Posted by larry on 09/03/13 at 10:24 PM ET

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Pietrangelo is in a weird spot because of the way prices for good D inflate so quickly. He’s not as good as Doughty or Karlsson, but probably as good as (and project to be better than) Letang. So, there are legitimate arguments on both sides of the negotiation because the market is so wacky.

If the Blues are serious about giving max term, I would think Pietrangelo would be crazy not to be willing to take an AAV around, or even a bit lower, than Karlsson’s cap number. Because that is guaranteed money. You do the one or two year bridge deal, and sure, it’s high reward, but also high risk if you get injured or under-perform. The overall dollar amount of the contract is what matters. If he can get $6 million per over 8 years… how the heck do you turn it down? The thing is, he’s also only 23, so even if he signs an 8 year deal, if he continues developing into a top-level D, he’ll still have a chance to cash in a second time in his early 30s, to the tune of something nearing another max term and/or max AAV deal.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 09/04/13 at 08:07 AM ET


Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 09/04/13 at 09:07 AM ET

I get what you’re saying, but that’s leaving an awful lot of money on the table.

Think of it this way: Letang is a Norris runner up. Signs long-term for $7.8 million per.

The Norris winner, another right-handed smooth-skating offensive D, wanted Doughty money before anyone seriously regarded him as a Norris candidate. He’s going to eclipse Letang’s number on his upcoming extension. Let’s say Subban comes in at $8.2 mil per.

Pietrangelo is close to equal with these guys now and, as you said, likely to be better than both. If he takes Karlsson’s money for 8 years, he’s leaving $14 million on the table. That’s one Hell of a haircut for a guy to give during his prime years.

I know Ekman-Larsson did that, but OEL is flying under the radar as an elite defenseman through no fault of his own. He’s a tree falling in the forest that nobody hears.

Pietrangelo isn’t an under-the-radar player.

Posted by larry on 09/04/13 at 10:34 AM ET

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