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Interesting development…

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 12/28/12 at 10:32 AM ET

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Impossible.  The NHL is inflexible and has refused to negotiate at every step of the way.  Not that this offer will shift public perception or media attention one iota though.

Eyeroll.

Anyway, my guess is that this is the last chance offer from the NHL.  If the NHLPA blows it off or continues to cling to their fairly absurd minimum cap number, they’re not playing this year.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/28/12 at 11:00 AM ET

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“This is the hill we die on and it is our final and best offer.”
~Gary Bettman on 9/24/12, 10/16/12, 11/21/12, 12/28/12…

Posted by LivinLaVidaLockout on 12/28/12 at 11:13 AM ET

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Impossible.  The NHL is inflexible and has refused to negotiate at every step of the way.  Not that this offer will shift public perception or media attention one iota though.

Eyeroll.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/28/12 at 10:00 AM ET

Oh, give it a rest dude.

The NHL isn’t going to f*ck you no matter how much you white knight for them on the internet.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 12/28/12 at 11:14 AM ET

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I wonder how many millions of dollars the teams will buy out when given the chance?

Just take it out of make whole and voila!

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/28/12 at 11:21 AM ET

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TSN puts all the information known in story form.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/28/12 at 11:25 AM ET

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The Red Wings use their buyout on ________________.

Discuss.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 12/28/12 at 11:36 AM ET

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The Red Wings use their buyout on ________________.

..paying off the city council

Posted by LivinLaVidaLockout on 12/28/12 at 11:39 AM ET

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The Red Wings use their buyout on ________________.

Cleary.

And I hate to say that because the guy’s got guts to spare… he just lacks knee cartilage.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/28/12 at 11:42 AM ET

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Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/28/12 at 10:00 AM ET

There are mouth-breathers on both sides of any issue, it just makes you look arrogant and rude to lump everyone together.

As someone that has clearly sided with the players all along, I DO think that this offer (based on the details available thus far) is a great step, and the league does deserve some kudos for finally putting something together that reaches out to the players.

That said, this deal relative to the baseline (the previous CBA) is still the players making concessions, plain and simple. So let’s not act like the onus is on the players to just accept this offer.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 12/28/12 at 11:50 AM ET

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The Red Wings use their buyout on ________________.

Bert

Cleary has more tangables and can be used in more situatons: pk,grind line, secondary scoring,etc.

Let Illitch give each of the city clowncil a Little Caesar franchise as a settlement and see how long before they are run into the ground.

Posted by cigar_nurse from Greenville South Cakalakee on 12/28/12 at 11:58 AM ET

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Eyeroll.

Times a F*ckin’ million HD.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 12/28/12 at 12:00 PM ET

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Prediction: NHLPA makes a counter-offer that makes minor tweaks to the NHL proposal.  Bettman freaks out, holds a hissy-fit press conference to say this was their final offer and then nothing happens for the next two weeks.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 12/28/12 at 01:18 PM ET

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Aaaand the roller coaster begins again.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 12/28/12 at 01:49 PM ET

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That said, this deal relative to the baseline (the previous CBA) is still the players making concessions, plain and simple.

Well, seeing as the owners didn’t lockout the players because the owners were not willing to make more concessions, the general idea all along was to get some concessions from the players.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 12/28/12 at 01:52 PM ET

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Prediction: NHLPA makes a counter-offer that makes minor tweaks to the NHL proposal.  Bettman freaks out, holds a hissy-fit press conference to say this was their final offer and then nothing happens for the next two weeks.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 12/28/12 at 12:18 PM ET

If they did it would be the first time so far. Every other time they’ve released a counter-proposal that tries to detach revenues from compensation (which was, incidentally, the Hill that Goodenow died on) then called a press conference saying a deal is all but done to confuse the media.

That’s essentially what I expect to happen again. Don Fehr will counter with some mechanism that attempts to get the players X (compensation), regardless of what Y (revenues) are, which is a nonstarter, then call a press conference and rattle off new things there are an agreement on, saying a deal is done, even though one isn’t particularly close.

Posted by larry on 12/28/12 at 02:35 PM ET

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If they did it would be the first time so far.

The NHLPA, that is. There’s nothing “minor” about the “tweaks” in their counterproposals. Attaching actuals to projections undermines the idea of how a salary cap can work conceptually and turns a tiny bit of variance in player compensation into a huge risk boulder hanging from the owners’ neck.

Posted by larry on 12/28/12 at 02:38 PM ET

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There are mouth-breathers on both sides of any issue, it just makes you look arrogant and rude to lump everyone together.

What does it make you look like when you assume I’m lumping everyone in together, Nathan?

That comment was directed at the people who have said pretty much exactly that.

As someone that has clearly sided with the players all along, I DO think that this offer (based on the details available thus far) is a great step, and the league does deserve some kudos for finally putting something together that reaches out to the players.

It’s a nothing-burger for the NHLPA, at least on the major issues.  As far as I am aware, the NHLPA has not once agreed to go to 50-50 in anything remotely approaching a short timeframe.  Their offers have been along the lines of ‘we’ll continue to take 65ish million bucks a year until 65ish million bucks a year ends up being 50-50.

Going from 5/7 on contracts to 6/7 on contracts?  Really?

The 300 mil is the same 300 mil the NHL has had in previous offers.
The 200 mil is the same number the NHL has had in profit share.

Et cetera, et cetera.

If the PA has really lost half a seasons worth (approximately 600 million) over these terms… I mean, wow.

That said, this deal relative to the baseline (the previous CBA) is still the players making concessions, plain and simple. So let’s not act like the onus is on the players to just accept this offer.

Eyeroll, Nathan.

I don’t think the onus is on the players to accept anything.  I think by losing out on a half years’ worth of salaries (and perhaps more) they have been spectacularly stupid in how they’ve tried to decide what to accept.

For me, at least, this has never been an ideological ‘pro-player’ or ‘pro owner’ debate like it is for lots of guys, you included.  This has been about what makes the most financial sense for the players.  Losing 600+ mil to get 400 mil is really, really stupid.

Yes, it’s a concession.  Oh well.  That’s life.  It’s a concession that wold have put at least 200 million in their pockets more than their current tactics have.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/28/12 at 02:57 PM ET

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The Red Wings use their buyout on ________________.

Discuss.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 12/28/12 at 10:36

My crazy idea is that the Wings trade for a player with a bad contract on a team that has multiple horrible contracts.  This is assuming the new CBA only allows one buy-out per team.  Obviously a pick or prospect would also accompany the player with a crappy contract to the Wings.  There area a few teams out there that have a couple bad contracts and KH could use this as a way to add another asset.  Besides, its only Illitch’s money, lol.

Well, like I said, it was far fetched.

Posted by 11B4PF7 in MN on 12/28/12 at 03:21 PM ET

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Posted by 11B3PF7 in MN on 12/28/12 at 02:21 PM ET

I would bet there’s language to prevent that and doubt the PA would fight to remove it.

Good idea, though.

Posted by larry on 12/28/12 at 03:30 PM ET

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Posted by larry on 12/28/12 at 02:30 PM ET

Good call.  If there wasn’t though, I could envision Gary exclaiming a move like this would amount to a “violation to the spirit of the CBA” and fine the team a first round draft pick.

Posted by 11B4PF7 in MN on 12/28/12 at 03:39 PM ET

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... and I think the latest proposal allows teams to move cap space in trades, although I don’t think any specifics were addressed.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/28/12 at 08:18 PM ET

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The Red Wings use their buyout on ________________.

Nobody.  Unless some other team uses their buyout on someone who is an upgrade of Colaiacovo.

I’d love for them to buy Bert out, but they like him enough to re-sign him to a mult-year 35+ deal.  They don’t want to give him up.

Cleary’s on the last year of his dead, so there’s little reason to buy him out, they just hopefully will bid him a fond farewell after this season.

Posted by Garth on 12/29/12 at 05:50 PM ET

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