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The After Lunch CBA Talk

While we wait for the meeting to start again and then updates...

 

 

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Want to read the today's NHLPA proposal?  Head over to TSN.  Any opinion of it being leaked even before the NHL had time to give their views?

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On HRR...

 

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Reports stat the PA is back at the NHL Office to start part 2 of the CBA meeting. Now we wait.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/12 at 01:09 PM ET

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Larry Brooks tweets more on the PA proposal…

Cap hits on $ over 1m in AHL going forward.
PA also proposes elimination of team walk away rights in salary arb.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/12 at 01:26 PM ET

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It seems like it is a zero-sum game at this point in terms of optimism. Depending on things go in the next few hours could determine whether or not we have a season.

Posted by MJPalis from Annapolis, MD on 11/21/12 at 01:29 PM ET

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So what the NHLPA really wants is 55, 52, 51, 50 as a function of HRR share.

They aren’t going to get that.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/21/12 at 01:47 PM ET

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So what the NHLPA really wants is 55, 52, 51, 50 as a function of HRR share.

They aren’t going to get that.

Then the owners may not get any Hockey.

I dont see why this proposal so unreasonable.  The Owners are still getting most of what they wanted long term.  And any growth in revenue benefits the owners, because the NHLPA proposal is fixed dollars, not %HRR for the make whole.

 

Posted by jwad on 11/21/12 at 02:19 PM ET

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It seems to be a shell game.  Fehr is too cute by half.  You can have the car for 20000 just pay me 10000 to agree to the deal.  Makes no sense.  Owners arent stupid. 

The owners should walk away.  Then next season ask players individually if they want to play.

I was with the players but Fehr wants to destroy hockey the same way he put baseball on a downward spiral.

This is not negotiating.  Fehr wants Horse Rabbit stew.  One horse one rabbit. 

50/50.  Guaranteed contracts.  Free agency at 28.  Lets play.

Posted by 13 user names on 11/21/12 at 03:06 PM ET

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I was with the players but Fehr wants to destroy hockey the same way he put baseball on a downward spiral.

How is transitioning to the reduced player share, is destroying Hockey? 


The NHLPA has basically made concessions on every aspect of the CBA. 

 

 

Posted by jwad on 11/21/12 at 03:27 PM ET

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Then the owners may not get any Hockey.

The problem is that the absence of hockey hurts the players far more than the owners.  The owners will get 200 mil this year and they don’t have to open a single arena.  The players are going to get 0.

I dont see why this proposal so unreasonable.

I don’t think the proposal is unreasonable… just stupid.  It is stupid for the NHLPA to fight over 180 mil at the price of 1.8 B.  It is stupid by a factor of 10, in fact.

They are fighting over 10% of the amount they are going to lose if they don’t stop being stupid.

That’s… well, stupid.

If someone made 57,000 and their salary was going to get cut to 50… would it make any sense at all to sit out and protest that cut for a year before coming back a year later and making… 50?  Or even 53?

An immediate 50-50 split with no make whole and no revenue growth in 7 years would be 6.3 B to the players.

Dicking around, even if said dicking around ends up with the players getting 53% of HRR for 6 years would be 5.724 B to the players.

That’s almost 600 million dollars worth of difference and it doesn’t include the 210 mil make whole the NHL is offering.

~810 million dollars the NHLPA is going to cost itself because they aren’t thinking critically.

 

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/21/12 at 04:07 PM ET

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I don’t think the proposal is unreasonable… just stupid.  It is stupid for the NHLPA to fight over 180 mil at the price of 1.8 B.  It is stupid by a factor of 10, in fact.

I’m gonna say this again, and you’ll probably call me stupid, like you did yesterday, but this applies to the owners as well.  The owners who could easily meet them half way on this, and still be better off then they are now, and get to 50-50 in a relatively short period of time

The lockout is all on the owners.  The players were not locked out because they were asking for more more.  They have offered concessions in every area of the CBA.

180 million is a lot of money, but over the course of the CBA, and future CBA negotiations, where the starting point is 50-50, the make whole provision is a token gesture to the players, that the owners are interested in being partners in making this work.

The NHLPA has moved a considerable distance, and basically had the owners laugh at them.  Thats the problem.  The NHLPA is unlikely to agree to any terms with out some movement from the owners.

Posted by jwad on 11/21/12 at 04:23 PM ET

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The NFL knows the players average career is 4 years that gives them a big negotiating advantage.  They also run a league that literally sits on a mountain of revenue.

How does the NHLPA think they will do better than the NFL players association.

I’m not interested in these disputes and neither are most fans.  Hockey is a niche sport, considering the revenue compared to the 3 majors, hockey players make a lot of money.

Sometimes you have to realize you have a pretty good deal.  When was the last time you saw owners pay players less?  The owners were getting aroung the NHL cap in no time.

The players are letting their careers slip through their fingers for nothing.

Posted by 13 user names on 11/21/12 at 05:40 PM ET

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