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Tampa Bay signs Matt Carle to a six-year deal

Holy guacamole. TSN’s Darren Dreger posited the following blurb...

Working on details. Matt Carle is closing in on a deal with Tampa Bay Lightning.

And all of a sudden, everybody’s “Plan B” is off the market, per the Lightning:

The Lightning have signed defenseman Matt Carle to a six-year contract tonight, Steve Yzerman has announced.

And from Dreger:

Carles agrees to 6 year contract with Tampa Bay. $5.5 aav.

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Did anyone see philly’s defense in the playoffs?

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 07/04/12 at 11:53 PM ET

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I wonder if Mr I can trade Kenny for Stevie…

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 11:54 PM ET

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Yeah. They can have him for that. Well now it really gets interesting because a trade has to happen, right??? I joked a few months back that Holland’s “big” move for the defense would be graduating Ericsson to the top pairing. Was the joke always on me?

Posted by godblender on 07/04/12 at 11:54 PM ET

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One smart signing after another by Yzerman.  First, Lindback and now, Carle.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/04/12 at 11:54 PM ET

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I wonder if Mr I can trade Kenny for Stevie…

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 09:54 PM ET

Bingo bango.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 07/04/12 at 11:59 PM ET

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I don’t think the wings feel he’s a 5.5mil player and for good reason IMO

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/05/12 at 12:01 AM ET

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We also don’t need ANOTHER 2/3 dman we need a #1 dman. Gotta find another way.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/05/12 at 12:03 AM ET

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We also don’t need ANOTHER 2/3 dman we need a #1 dman.

Well a #2 or #3 d-man looks a hell of a lot better than Kindl, Q or Ericsson at this point.

Posted by godblender on 07/05/12 at 12:06 AM ET

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Need to do something big now… Ryan and Yandle please.

Posted by selke13 on 07/05/12 at 12:06 AM ET

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Wings need another email who can play pp. And pk.

Just feel it in my bones, Boumeester will be looked at, just under 7M with 2 years left.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/05/12 at 12:10 AM ET

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I don’t think the wings feel he’s a 5.5mil player and for good reason IMO

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/04/12 at 10:01 PM ET

Yep, makes sense.

The flipside is that the Wings apparently feel Kronwall is a first line d-man (despite being a career 2nd liner) and he’s being given a 4.75m per from the ages of 31 to 38.  Yzerman has Carle (who has been on the first pair for the past 3 seasons) at 750k more for the (conventional wisdom applied) “prime” years of Carle’s career.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 07/05/12 at 12:11 AM ET

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The flipside is that the Wings apparently feel Kronwall is a first line d-man (despite being a career 2nd liner) and he’s being given a 4.75m per from the ages of 31 to 38.  Yzerman has Carle (who has been on the first pair for the past 3 seasons) at 750k more for the (conventional wisdom applied) “prime” years of Carle’s career.

The thing I think everyone forgets about though is the fact that the market differs from year to year. It was different just a year ago when Kronner signed his deal.

Posted by Riviera from Phoenix on 07/05/12 at 12:14 AM ET

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We also don’t need ANOTHER 2/3 dman we need a #1 dman.

Why, because one top four defenseman is enough for Detroit?

Posted by Garth on 07/05/12 at 12:17 AM ET

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Boy, Holmgren is being smart & not overpaying mediocre talent. Carle flaws was covered when he had Pronger.

Posted by FlyersFan on 07/05/12 at 12:20 AM ET

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They play differently in TBL than what they do in PHI.  I don’t think Yzerman signs this guy if he didn’t feel he would fit in his coach’s plans.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/05/12 at 12:27 AM ET

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I think Kronner is a solid 2/3 guy and totally deserves his contract. Id take kronwall over Carle any day. With that said, we are in trouble if kronwall is our top guy. Id LOVE a Yandle trade right about now… though what would it take? Plenty of other teams covet him I’m sure. Boumeester would be an ok runner up at this point. We def have to do something but overpaying for an overrated Carle for too many years would be reactionary and stupid.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/05/12 at 12:38 AM ET

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Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/04/12 at 10:38 PM ET

The problem is, would you prefer to overpay for Carle and give up nothing but cap space or overpay for in draft picks, prospects and/or roster players as well as money to get a Yandle or Bouwmeester?

Detroit doesn’t have a lot of trade-bait among our 27 bottom-six forwards and three or four bottom-pair or unproven defensemen…

Honestly, I look at the team and I see maybe six guys who would be untouchable, unfortunately you also have to add Samuelsson, Bertuzzi and Ericsson because they have NTCs.  Beyond that you’ve got two Red Wings who have genuine trade value in Franzen and Filppula and a lot of decent bottom-sixers who wouldn’t fetch much, or are newly signed and unproven.  Add to that the bizarre fact that Holland supposedly hates to deal picks (except for dealing first rounders for defensemen that we don’t need at the time and are apparently in no hurry to re-sign because they’re going to get raises that they probably don’t deserve), and what do you have?  Are you going to get a lot for Abdelkader’s rights?  Cleary?  Eaves?  Kindl?

Calgary apparently got the guy they covet in Hudler, so what do you offer for Bouwmeester?  What do you offer for Yandle?

I think that there’s a package that can be put together for Bobby Ryan (Filppula is a 2nd line centre on a team that doesn’t have Z & Dats…Kenny needs to do something with him before we lose him for nothing to a middling team that will pay him a 2nd line centre salary and give him 2nd line centre minutes…  Seriously, take a note from Ray Shero, Ken.  We know you love Flip, but trade him while he has value), but that doesn’t do anything to address the yawning chasm on the blue line.

I also think that if Holland is aggressive he might be able to get Doug Murray, who is the most tradeable of the three defensemen going into the last year of their contracts in San Jose, and maybe you find a friendly partner in the guy you traded Brad Stuart to.

But what’s the last creative thing that Holland did to improve the team?  He offered a spot to the most coveted free agent on the market in July 08, but that was on the heels of a 16-win post-season.  What do you do on the heels of a one-win post-season?

Posted by Garth on 07/05/12 at 01:07 AM ET

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Kenny needs to stop texting with Steve at this time of year.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 07/05/12 at 01:14 AM ET

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i’d think Yandle and Bobby Ryan’s trade value would be somewhat similar, no? Why on earth would you trade Fil and prospects for Ryan when you could trade them for a number one dman? I know we could use some more scoring, but I’d rather trade for Yandle and take a chance on Semin than trade for Bobby Ryan and take a chance on ANY other free agent dman.

I’m with you too that we are likely about to give Quincey an undeserved raise and he will likely be a letdown.

To be honest, I’d be less surprised if Ericsson or Kindl busted out than if Quincey plays up to the contract he will get. I’m not just basing this on the end of the season either. There’s a reason all of the teams he’s been on since the Wings have gotten rid of him at the first opportunity. I get why Holland made the move (basically insurance for EXACTLY the scenario that’s playing out - no Stu, Lids, Suter). It still sucks.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/05/12 at 01:15 AM ET

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There’s a reason all of the teams he’s been on since the Wings have gotten rid of him at the first opportunity.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/04/12 at 11:15 PM ET

Really?  Here in LaLaLand Quincy played quite well for the Kings. The trade for Smyth was ultimately a mistake, though at the time Smyth was seen as adding needed veteran presence and skill around the crease, so the deal wasn’t really criticized.  (Of course, getting rid of Preissing in the Smyth trade and then later adding Scuderi, ultimately improved the D.)

Posted by shazam88 from SoCal on 07/05/12 at 02:17 AM ET

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Garth, you are on point like Serge Savard.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 07/05/12 at 04:03 AM ET

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Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 11:07 PM ET

Also, about that 08-09 acquisition, Hossa’s agent called Kenny on July 1 asking for a deal.  Kenny just had to say yes.  Hossa actually told Babcock after the last game he wanted to come play for them.  So goes the rumor.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/05/12 at 08:58 AM ET

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/04/12 at 10:10 PM ET

I haven’t heard or seen anything to indicate Feaster wants to move him, aside from speculation from media personalities.  I’d take him for sure at this point.  He can be a shut-down guy and minute muncher, really what we need.  At the very least we need someone who has size and plays with it.  I know Jabo doesn’t use his but most shutdown guys play the former game. 

Something tells me they’ll end up with Colaiacovo.  The frugal GM and all.  Hope you’re right though Paul, would rather you were than me.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/05/12 at 09:04 AM ET

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i’d think Yandle and Bobby Ryan’s trade value would be somewhat similar, no?

Who knows?  From rumours, we’ve heard that Anaheim is looking for a #2 centre, so it makes sense.

If Yandle is on the market, one can maybe assume that Phoenix is ready to move him because of money worries (also because that’s the reason that Doan is at least theoretically testing the market) so the best thing to give them would be picks and/or young, inexpensive prospects.

Bouwmeester might be an easier pick up because he’s older, has fewer years on his contract and has been mentioned as possibly being expendable because of the Wideman signing.

I personally don’t want to take a chance on Semin except as something complementary.  I’d feel a lot better about him if we have someone we know can and does do everything.

Everyone assumes that Semin will have some sort of change of heart at the age of 28 and to me that’s just wishful thinking.  Where is the evidence to support that?  One would have at least thought that being in a contract year he would put up big numbers, but instead of he put up his lowest goal total of his career and tied for his second lowest point total (and it’s worth noting that he played 77 games last year, and in the years of his second lowest and lowest points totals he played 65 and 63 games respectively).

Posted by Garth on 07/05/12 at 09:55 AM ET

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This one’s not quite as bad as it looks at first glance. Tampa had 2 NHL caliber defenseman last season, Hedman and Brewer, and they’re both far from great. However, Hedman’s got the stuff to maybe develop into a guy who does some, not all, of what Pronger did. IF Hedman can develop the way he should and IF Carle can sit shotgun in the same way, Tampa will have a legit first pairing for the first time in…forever…with this signing.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/05/12 at 03:40 PM ET

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I would like to echo Flyersfan in saying that Carle isn’t worth anywhere near this to Philadelphia. The difference between Carle and Philly’s minor leaguers (Bourdon, Gustafsson) is nowhere near as huge as the difference between Carle and Tampa’s minor leaguers.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/05/12 at 03:42 PM ET

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