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Talking The All-Star Game

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Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang and Marc-Andre Fleury of the Pittsburgh Penguins and Jonathan Toews and Duncan Keith of the Chicago Blackhawks are the six players selected as NHL® All-Stars via 2011 NHL All-Star Fan Balloting presented by XM, the National Hockey League announced today.  Each is scheduled to appear in the 2011 NHL All-Star Game presented by Discover as well as the Honda NHL SuperSkills® in Raleigh (Jan. 29-30).

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Can we stop pretending that having fans select the all-stars is a good idea? It’s just dumb. If you want to make the fans feel included, then give them a 1/3 vote, with 1/3 coming from players and 1/3 coming from writers.

Posted by JoeyMrk on 01/04/11 at 03:48 PM ET

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Posted by JoeyMrk on 01/04/11 at 12:48 PM ET

Agreed.  It’d be nice if all of those guys were deserving of All Star selections…instead of just two with one other a borderline selection.

Crosby and Letang are no-brainers.

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Meriden, CT on 01/04/11 at 03:55 PM ET

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Since they’ve reduced the number of available voting slots from 12 down to 6 with the new style of the all star game, I think it would be interesting if they had a 1 person limit to the teams represented in the top 6.

Take the top vote getter for a team if they make it into the top 6, and drop the others who may have been voted in for that team (regardless of position).  Then you’d have this lineup:

Crosby - Toews - Stamkos
Pronger - Lidstrom
Price

That would make it a lot easier for fans to accept it, wouldn’t it?  I don’t know, it’s all just a popularity contest anyway.  How else does Sean Avery get more votes than Henrik Zetterberg?

Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 01/04/11 at 04:06 PM ET

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I used to get all worked up about this sort of stuff, but I don’t anymore.

The all-star game is boring and meaningless. It’s for kids and for sponsors, not mature hockey fans. So who cares about who “deserves” and who “doesn’t deserve” to be there? If it’s all about kids and sponsors, than it SHOULD be a popularity contest. Make sure the league’s biggest names are there. Make sure every 6-year-old has at least one player from his favorite team that he can cheer for.

It seems to me that it’s hypocritical to complain about the selection process AND THEN complain that the game is pointless. If the game is pointless, who cares how the players are picked? The only way the selection process matters is if you believe the game itself matters.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 01/04/11 at 04:07 PM ET

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“...a 1 person limit to the teams represented in the top 6.”
Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 01/04/11 at 01:06 PM ET

That makes a lot of sense, I think too much sense for the NHL.


an we stop pretending that having fans select the all-stars is a good idea?
Posted by JoeyMrk on 01/04/11 at 12:48 PM ET

Well, the fans have picked six, and the NHL makes a pool of the rest, and the captains pick from that.
Hasn’t it been in the past that the fans voted for all the players? Like how Komisarek made it in Montreal?
Or was it just the fans picking the twelve starters?

Posted by NathanBC on 01/04/11 at 04:17 PM ET

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Should probably do away with fan voting if they’re going to let guys pick their own teams. Chances are, the leading point-scorer, Mr Winning-goal-for-Canada, will be named one of the captains. What choice does an All-star game Captain, who is also a team Captain, have, with other players from his team in the game, other than to pick them first?

The All-star game’s stupid, so I guess it isn’t a big deal, but if they’re trying to make it more suspenseful, it just backfired on them.

Posted by StevieSteve on 01/04/11 at 04:55 PM ET

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instead of just two with one other a borderline selection.

Fleury been the league’s best goaltender since mid-November. He deserves to go.

Posted by cs6687 on 01/04/11 at 04:58 PM ET

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What choice does an All-star game Captain, who is also a team Captain, have, with other players from his team in the game, other than to pick them first?
Posted by StevieSteve on 01/04/11 at 01:55 PM ET
We know what Ovechkin would do, but I think most guys would look forward to beating their teammates in competition. I think most guys would pick friends from other teams, and other guys they don’t get to play with everyday, they have all season to have fun with their teammates.

I also believe that the players will pick two veterans (like Lidstrom, maybe St. Louis or Iginla).

Posted by NathanBC on 01/04/11 at 05:07 PM ET

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Ah, the exciting speculation surrounding an NHL all-star game and how to make it meaningful and worthwhile to all.  Tender.

We make sweeping generalizations about selections and debate who is better than who when your favorite home team guy or most hated rival is injected into the debate. 

Even the most mature and thought provoking hockey fans come off as 5 year olds in this useless forum.  Whee.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 01/04/11 at 05:17 PM ET

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Posted by cs6687 on 01/04/11 at 01:58 PM ET

But Tim Thomas has been good since October.  I would say he’s just a little more worthy than Fleury - 1st in GAA, save% and shutouts…3rd in wins. 

A case could be made that Carey Price, Johnathan Quick and James Howard have all been more worthy than Fleury as well.

That’s why I said “borderline” - he wouldn’t be my first choice.  If you’re going East vs. West…Thomas, Price, Fleury/Quick, Howard, Hiller (or maybe that kid in Nashville).

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Meriden, CT on 01/04/11 at 05:43 PM ET

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It’s a snore fest no matter how you slice it.  I’d just prefer to see no Wings named to the ASG so they can take the weekend to rest up without the threat of suspension.

Posted by Krononymous on 01/04/11 at 05:48 PM ET

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It’s a snore fest no matter how you slice it.  I’d just prefer to see no Wings named to the ASG so they can take the weekend to rest up without the threat of suspension.

Posted by Krononymous on 01/04/11 at 02:48 PM ET

+19.  Haven’t cared about it since ‘08.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 01/04/11 at 05:58 PM ET

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Haven’t cared about it since ‘08.
Posted by SYF from Las Vegas, NV on 01/04/11 at 02:58 PM ET

Ah, now I see.

Posted by NathanBC on 01/04/11 at 06:03 PM ET

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Glad you see the light.

sick

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 01/04/11 at 06:20 PM ET

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Fleury been the league’s best goaltender since mid-November. He deserves to go.

Posted by cs6687 on 01/04/11 at 01:58 PM ET

But Tim Thomas has been good since October.  I would say he’s just a little more worthy than Fleury - 1st in GAA, save% and shutouts…3rd in wins. 

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 01/04/11 at 02:43 PM ET

Exactly; he’s been great for half of the games played so far this season, but he nearly lost his starting job in an abysmal first half.  He might deserve to go TO the all-star game, but he doesn’t deserve to start it

Take the top vote getter for a team if they make it into the top 6, and drop the others who may have been voted in for that team (regardless of position). 

Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 01/04/11 at 01:06 PM ET

I like this idea a lot.  If the game’s for kids and sponsors, it does everybody better to show both of those groups that the All-Star starters come from a much more diverse pool than two teams.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/04/11 at 06:25 PM ET

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I think most guys would look forward to beating their teammates in competition. I think most guys would pick friends from other teams, and other guys they don’t get to play with everyday, they have all season to have fun with their teammates.

Nah, if you’re the Captain, you have to pick your boys so they don’t feel bad about it in the locker room for a real game. “Tanger, Flower, Geno, I wouldn’t want anyone else in battle at my side, etc.”

Unless, as you said, you’re Ovechkin and you just pick all the Russians.

Posted by StevieSteve on 01/04/11 at 07:58 PM ET

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Don’t mean to obsess over this, but there’s a video on TSN right now where both Sid and Malkin are talking about how cool it would be if every Penguins ended up on the same team and how they want that to happen.

Posted by StevieSteve on 01/04/11 at 08:20 PM ET

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”...how cool it would be if every Penguins ended up on the same team…”
Posted by StevieSteve on 01/04/11 at 05:20 PM ET

Goddamnit.

Posted by NathanBC on 01/04/11 at 08:46 PM ET

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Oh, and after hearing that, I bet three will be on one team, and the last one will be lonely on the other side.

Posted by NathanBC on 01/04/11 at 08:48 PM ET

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Fleury been the league’s best goaltender since mid-November. He deserves to go.

No, he hasn’t. He’s been quite good, but not quite the best.

Stats of current leaders and other notables since 11/15;

Thomas: 10-3-5, 1.98, 0.938, 2 shutouts
Pavelec: 13-5-2, 2.07, 0.938, 2 shutouts
Fleury: 14-3-2, 1.94, 0.935, 1 shutouts
Rinne: 6-6-2, 1.84, 0.929, 2 shutouts
Hiller: 11-8-1, 2.31, 0.929, 2 shutouts
Lundqvist: 10-7-2, 2.21, 0.924, 3 shutouts
Boucher: 7-2-1, 2.36, 0.923, 0 shutouts
Luongo: 11-4-1, 2.23, 0.919, 1 shutouts
Crawford: 10-3-1, 2.20, 0.917, 0 shutouts
Price: 9-9-2, 2.52, 0.915, 2 shutouts
Quick: 8-9-1, 2.43, 0.909, 3 shutouts
Halak: 7-9-2, 2.83, 0.903, 1 shutouts
Howard: 11-6-2, 3.04, 0.901, 1 shutouts
Garon: 4-5-2, 2.81, 0.897, 1 shutouts

(and no, Wings fans, Jimmy Howard doesn’t belong anywhere near the all-stars at the moment, sorry)

All that being said, logic and reason are always the first victims in any sport’s all-star selection process, they tend to be based on a combination of popularity and reputation more than current performance (kinda like Jeter winning a gold glove this year) so you might as well take these (and any other) numbers and shred ‘em.

Posted by Dr Nick Riviera on 01/04/11 at 09:42 PM ET

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