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Something Is Missing With Calgary

First off, the Flames were up 2-0 on the Wild but Minnesota scored two unanswered goals to force OT and a shootout.

In the shootout, which went four rounds, the Flames brought out Stajan, Stempniak, Jones, Comeau while Iginla, Jokinen, Tanguay and Glencross sat on the bench.  Those four happen to be the Flames top scorers this year.

You can watch the full shootout below but not one Flame came close to scoring.

added 11:41pm, via Michael Russo tweets,

Sutter and Feaster and Lowry look fiery mad. Sutter just kicked the heck out of a trash can. Huge lost point by #Flames

Sutter was fuming, screaming as he talked to Feaster; then Hartsburg did the postgame presser

Pretty crazy scene outside that CGY locker room afterward; Hartsburg said #flames tried to change it up w its bizarre shootout selections

 

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Can you blame Sutter? The big boys blow a 2 goal lead and then can’t get it done in OT? Give guys who don’t play in the shootout often a chance because when the regulars can’t get it done a message needs to be sent.

This is a 9th place team at best and I think Sutter is frustrated that, with his job on the line, his guys routinely cough up games with poor play. Sutter will be gone at end of season, quite possibly up the road to Edmonton where he can coach a bunch of young guys to serious success. The Flames organization has a very long summer ahead, lots of work to be done to rebrand the team with a new identity.

PS - I’d be kicking garbage cans too after watching that loss.

Posted by Iggy_Rules on 03/23/12 at 01:59 AM ET

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IR, I have to disagree, messages need to be sent in January, not now, especially for a team fighting for every point.

Time to go with your best and see what happens, no time for experiments now.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/23/12 at 02:02 AM ET

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Those were some pretty confident looks on the faces of the Flames shooters.  They all tried the same move, which is also the ugliest piece I have ever seen.  Iginla and Tanguay are leaders, they want the game on their stick.  You win or lose with them.  Maybe through a wild card in the 4th round, but that was some desperate bullshxt.  I hope he is fired today and they leave it to the assistants and the captain.  That dude is a maniac, and it is plain to see that his intense and constant sulk doesn’t motivate his players - most of whom are veterans that don’t need his style of hassle.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 03/23/12 at 03:03 AM ET

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from Steve MacFarlane of the Calgary Sun, 

And anyone looking for fodder from inside the dressing room in terms of Sutter’s decision to sit his stars in the showdown will have to look elsewhere, too.

“Whatever Brent sees at the time or wants to go with,” Iginla said. “We’ve had a lot of opportunity. I’ve had some good opportunities and haven’t been able to be above .500 in those. Whoever gets called, you’re doing your best to score there. We don’t look at any guys who missed there and think you let us down. We all let each other down.”

Maybe most of all their goaltender. Miikka Kiprusoff was remarkable as usual and might be the only reason they even salvaged a point.

They shouldn’t be here, in this bleak position, having lost four straight games to the Edmonton Oilers, the Columbus Blue Jackets, the Colorado Avalanche and now the Wild following a five-game win streak that gave them such hope.

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/23/12 at 03:11 AM ET

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Time to go with your best and see what happens, no time for experiments now.

Fine, but none of their “best” are good at shootouts.  Jokinen, at 3 for 8, is the only one of the four top scorers who is even close to .500 in shootouts this year.  Calgary are on a skid right now when they’re fighting for a playoff spot, why would you want to just continue with your mediocre shootout stats instead of giving someone else a chance?  Obviously in hindsight it didn’t work out, but why would anyone assume that Iginla (2 for 7), Tanguay (1 for 8) or Glencross (0 for 3) would score?

Posted by Garth on 03/23/12 at 11:19 AM ET

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what’s Missing? Talent

Posted by Evilpens on 03/23/12 at 11:27 AM ET

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Thanks Garth, was just going to post something very similar. I have had the pleasure of watching the Flames go on this ridiculous skid of losing to the bottom feeders of the West and it is painful . Iggy and Tangs have the skills but they usually don’t score in the SO. Were I in Sutters place I might have run Olli, Gio and Stajan but regardless, I’m not going to rip the guy a new one like most of the mediots are for trying to get his team out of a funk.

Post-Season cannot come soon enough for Flames fans. This team needs some serious changes because it is clear the troops have tuned out the coach.

Posted by Iggy_Rules on 03/23/12 at 11:28 AM ET

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50% is as good as it gets for shoot-out shooting percentage. That’s what the absolute best players manage.

Certain players have abnormally good seasons, but very few players can sustain a 50% average.

For example, Malkin has a career 37.5% rate, Kovalchuk has a career 38.9% rate.

Iginla and Tanguay haven’t been good, but 50% is an unreasonable measure of what “good” is.

Posted by Abe on 03/23/12 at 11:38 AM ET

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Calling Tanguay a “leader” in anything is laughable.

Posted by Primis on 03/23/12 at 11:40 AM ET

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Calling Tanguay a “leader” in anything is laughable.

Unless you’ve actually watched the Flames play this year.  I’m not talking about ten years ago, though I realize the old Avs still live large in your mind.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 03/23/12 at 12:05 PM ET

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Iginla and Tanguay haven’t been good, but 50% is an unreasonable measure of what “good” is.

But when you’re relying on the same small handful of players to shoot and none of them are very successful, how is it a bad idea to give a shot to others?

Certain players have abnormally good seasons, but very few players can sustain a 50% average.

OK, but Tanguay is 1 for 8.  If you put him in the shootout you know statistically that he’s probably not going to score, whereas if you put Stajan in he’s an unknown quantity and statistically has a 50/50 chance.  You don’t know what Stajan will do because he hasn’t been given a chance, but you have a pretty good idea what Tanguay is going to do.  Is it better to give the shot to someone who is probably not going to score over giving someone else a shot?

There are guys who aren’t overly good as players but who excel in shootouts, and the only way to find out who excels in shootouts is to give different players a chance.  Detroit is going to keep giving Bertuzzi shots because he’s over 50% whereas there is no reason to give Tanguay a shot last night instead of Stajan, Comeau or Jones.

Posted by Garth on 03/23/12 at 12:37 PM ET

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It’s not like they don’t try this in practice, so it’s not a totally unknown quantity.  Did Stajan look like he had a prayer?  Tanguay at least has a history of putting the puck in the net.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 03/23/12 at 03:42 PM ET

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there is no reason to give Tanguay a shot last night instead of Stajan, Comeau or Jones.

But there is a reason not pick all three.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 03/23/12 at 03:43 PM ET

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It’s not like they don’t try this in practice, so it’s not a totally unknown quantity.

You don’t think there’s a difference between practicing the shootout against your own goalie and trying to win an NHL game against an opponent’s goalie?

And while Kiprusoff might be familiar with Matt Stajan having faced him in practice, but this season Stajan was a completely unknown quantity to Josh Harding and everyone else who doesn’t play for Calgary.

Tanguay at least has a history of putting the puck in the net.

Not in the shootout, at least not this year.

The one definite mistake was putting Comeau in there as the 4th shooter.  After you do your experiment and have it fail, you put in Jokinen or Cammalleri.

And frankly, as far as the article goes, Iginla shouldn’t even be in the conversation.  He’s got 2 goals on 18 attempts in the last four seasons.  THAT is a known quantity.

Posted by Garth on 03/23/12 at 04:41 PM ET

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I have to agree with Garth on this one. When it comes to OT/Shootout the Flames are 30th in the league over the last 4 years (Sportsnet had a statistic in the broadcast last night but I can’t find the info).

This season Calgary and Carolina each have 15 points from OT/SO losses. If even 5 of those games you win, the Flames are in a playoff position.

I woul dbe pissed if I was Brent Sutter as well. Like Garth points out, the Flames top scorers can’t get it done in the SO. How many chances should they be given?

Posted by lordhogie from Calgary on 03/23/12 at 05:03 PM ET

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Yes, Garth makes a strong enough case to push me into the middle here.  These guys looked pretty fvcking heinous though.  Maybe there would be less backlash if they had looked like they had a prayer of scoring.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 03/23/12 at 06:15 PM ET

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