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Should The Ducks Retire Scott Niedermayer‘s Sweater?

News broke earlier this week the Devils are planning on retiring Niedermayer’s sweater this year.

Rightfully so but now the OC Register asks fans, should the Ducks do the same?

So far, an overwhelming yes.

My opinion is no, he only played five years with the Ducks and won one Cup.  With the Devils, I believe it was twelve full years and three Cups.

Your thoughts?

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Matt Fry's avatar

I would say no, for pretty much the reasons you mentioned.  If he had been there for five years and won three or four cups, that would be different.  Selanne?  Absolutely.  But not Nieds.

Posted by Matt Fry from Winnipeg on 08/31/11 at 12:30 PM ET

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On the one hand, Niedermayer was the catalyst for the Ducks post-lockout success, and he did get the Conn Smythe in the 07 Cup run. But, and this is a big but, he screwed the team over after that with his Brett Favre impression. For that reason, I wouldn’t be retiring his jersey just yet - but given how Anaheim welcomed him back, and that he’s still hekping the organisation, I expect them to retire it pretty soon anyway.

Posted by fcjbencard on 08/31/11 at 12:32 PM ET

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The Ducks do not have the same history timelines that more established teams have.  He lead them to the Cup and was a more significant player for their win than he was as part of the Devils shut down defense game plan.  The entire team played defense with the Devils, he and Pronger were the defense for the Ducks. for that reason I think they should consider retiring his number. I agree his Brett Favre impression was ugly and for that reason they may want to wait until after they retire Teemu Selanne’s number.

Posted by timbits on 08/31/11 at 01:16 PM ET

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New Jersey shouldn’t be retiring his number; he left to warmer climates chasing a larger paycheck ala Sergei Fedorov.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 08/31/11 at 01:27 PM ET

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It should be less about what personal accomplishments he had with an organization and more about what he meant to them.  Also, where he fits into their history.

Posted by Greg on 08/31/11 at 01:58 PM ET

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New Jersey shouldn’t be retiring his number; he left to warmer climates chasing a larger paycheck ala Sergei Fedorov.

Or he took less money than New Jersey supposedly offered him in order to go and play with his brother, but whatever, that’s exactly what you said.

Posted by Garth on 08/31/11 at 02:14 PM ET

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Niedermayer does not fit on the list of no-brainer jersey retirements—the guys whose legacy and place within the team history is already obvious (Yzerman, Sakic, Lemieux, etc.).

With a guy like Niedermayer (five years at the tail end of his career; one cup; Conn Smythe; two-time first-team all-star), whose jersey retirement credentials are more dubious, I’d say the “right” call is to wait several years and re-evaluate. If his legacy is still undiminished five or ten more years down the line, then maybe you consider it.

Personally, I’m a fan of a tough standards for jersey retirement—since you’re literally reducing the amount of available numbers for other players, you’d better not do it too often. Brendan Shanahan will never have his number retired by Detroit, even though he was a fan favorite, played nine seasons, won three Cups, made two postseason all-star teams and scored 309 goals for the Red Wings. Fedorov likely won’t get there either, even though he scored 400 goals and was better than a point per game in his Red Wing career.

But there are no hard-and-fast standards, and like Greg said, a player who is really meaningful to a certain fanbase deserves a shot, even if his tenure was short or his on-ice production was sub-legendary.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 08/31/11 at 02:19 PM ET

bigdee89's avatar

They should retire Emilio Estavez and any member of the flying V

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 08/31/11 at 02:26 PM ET

NHLJeff's avatar

I’ll admit, I haven’t read the comments above yet, but I say yes to retiring the number of the captain an Conn Smyrhe winner on your franchise’s first cup team whether he was there 2 years or 10.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 08/31/11 at 03:27 PM ET

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Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 08/31/11 at 01:27 PM ET

I would tend to disagree.  Would one Conn Smythe win in a five year career get a player inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame?  I wouldn’t think so, and far more people have been inducted into the HHoF than have had their numbers retired.

I don’t think many Red Wings fans would advocate retiring Mike Vernon’s number and he was the Conn Smythe winner on the team that won Detroit’s first Stanley Cup in over four decades.

Posted by Garth on 08/31/11 at 04:19 PM ET

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I dont think there should be any real “standards” for retiring a jersey.  If the franchise feels that the player played a significant role in their history, and the player agrees, why shouldnt they retire his jersey.

obviously, the bar for “significant” is much higher at say Detroit or Montreal, than an expansion franchise.  But shouldnt an expansion team be able to retire a number for say their first captain, who helped build the team regardless of personal or team accomplishments/awards/stats? 

As for Niedermeyer, his number should be retired where he wants it to be retired.  Are there any rules or precedent for/against a players number being retired with more then one team?

Posted by jwad on 08/31/11 at 05:04 PM ET

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obviously, the bar for “significant” is much higher at say Detroit or Montreal, than an expansion franchise.

I’m sure every team has its own criteria for what numbers are retired.

Fine, but why do expansion teams need to retire numbers?  Just to have a banner in the rafters?

A retired number should mean something.

Think of it this way, can you not imagine anyone ever wearing Niedermayer’s number in a Ducks sweater?  Is he so associated with that number that nobody should be allowed to wear it?

As someone who hates the Ducks, I don’t know.

Posted by Garth on 08/31/11 at 05:22 PM ET

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