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Shea Weber Will Have To Live Without A NTC And NMC

from Josh Cooper of The Tennessean, 

Predators defenseman Shea Weber’s offer sheet has been formalized into a contract, but it does not include a no-trade or a no-movement clause, his agent Jarrett Bousquet said Wednesday.

After Nashville matched Philadelphia’s 14-year, $110 million offer sheet on July 24, the Predators and Weber’s representatives had to decide on the terms of his contract for it to be official. Weber’s agents said they would ask Nashville for a no-movement or no-trade clause.

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No way in hell he plays out that entire contract in Nashville now.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 09/05/12 at 03:56 PM ET

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Yep, leaves an option for both sides. 

Team can say we need money, sorry Shea or Weber can go the Nash route whenever he feels like moving but without choosing which team he plays for.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/05/12 at 03:59 PM ET

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I bet he’s gone before he plays half of it. And I doubt even Rinne is there the entire length of his deal.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 09/05/12 at 04:31 PM ET

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Isn’t Weber’s contract significantly loaded in the short term?  IIRC we’re talking about something like 25+ million bucks being owed to him in the first year.

If that’s the case, and I’m pretty sure it is, why would the Predators move the guy out after paying more than 25% of the contracts cost in less than 1/15th of the term?

Makes no sense.  Money wise Weber’s going to be a borderline bargain for the Preds once they get past this first year, which sort of makes the no-trading in the first year thing moot.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 09/05/12 at 06:20 PM ET

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“If that’s the case, and I’m pretty sure it is, why would the Predators move the guy out after paying more than 25% of the contracts cost in less than 1/15th of the term?”

Alternatively it can be said that having the 25 million paid off within the first year and 1 day, would up his trade value significantly.  After the 25 million, his contract averages out to approx. 6.5 million per year in cash, although his cap hit would still be 7.85 million.  For a team that is trying to get to the cap floor, this could be huge.  They would be saving a million bucks because the cap hit counts for more than what they are actually paying.  Furthermore, any team going after Weber would send a message to their fan base that they are trying hard to get better.  Another point is, that weber wouldn’t be able to veto any trade since he lacks a nmc and ntc.  He could be shipped to Columbus if Nashville wanted and there would be nothing he could do about it.

Posted by Luongo-is-my-hero on 09/05/12 at 07:04 PM ET

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Alternatively it can be said that having the 25 million paid off within the first year and 1 day, would up his trade value significantly. 

If the Predators were going to trade him at any point wouldn’t they have done so before now?

Maybe Weber’s trade value is somewhat higher… but God.  I have a hard time believing the Predators would spend 25+ million dollars just to goose one guys trade value a bit.  And it’s just a bit.

For a team that is trying to get to the cap floor, this could be huge.

Like, say, the Nashville Predators?

Furthermore, any team going after Weber would send a message to their fan base that they are trying hard to get better.

Assuming that’s true, would the inverse also apply regarding Nashville?

Here’s my general point.  I don’t see any upside for the Preds in trading Weber versus keeping him after they eat that huge first year payout.  Up until the point he (and Suter) signed elsewhere there was absolutely tons of upside to trading either or both and not only did they not pull the trigger, they let Suter walk for nothing rather than do so.

Given that history I can’t possibly imagine why the Preds would look to trade Weber at any point in the near future regardless of the nature of his deal.  Add in that 25+ million dollar payout in year one that they have to eat… and man.  I don’t see the path to that decision.

 

Posted by HockeyinHD on 09/05/12 at 07:22 PM ET

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HockeyinHD, I did consider all those points when I wrote my response.
  For a team that is trying to get to the cap floor, this could be huge.

Like, say, the Nashville Predators?

Assuming that’s true, would the inverse also apply regarding Nashville?

It was my understanding that they weren’t a cap minimum team and hovered around the middle of the pack in the cap.  Yes they have to make shrewd moves, to remain competitive, but i think his value to a minimum cap team like say the Bluejackets or Islanders, a team that has a heck of a problem keeping their stars, let alone attracting stars, would be significantly higher, especially since the big pay off has already been done.

Whether it makes sense to trade him after paying that huge chunk remains to be seen.
There could be circumstances that would lead to him being traded. If hes unhappy, and demands a trade, there’s not much they could do. Doesn’t really make sense to have a player who does not want to be there, it would kill the locker room.  In the end, even if he doesn’t get traded to a bottom feeder, he would have huge trade value to a contender considering, that he is probably the best defense-man in the NHL now that Lidstrom is retired.

Regardless, they had to match the deal, rather than accept the 4 low 1st rounders.
Any trade they complete for him after next year is going to bring a heck of a lot more than just the draft picks they would have got from philly.

In the end, I’d probably keep him if i was Nashville, but what I am trying to say is that they still have options, and who knows how weber and the pred’s relationship will turn out in the future.  Just look at all the recent stars demanding trades with ntc, and nmc’s like luongo and nash.  Nash pretty went for a weak return, since his ntc limited Columbus market to a select few.  Even more so with Luongo, last i heard Florida offered 2 players, that were buyout candidates.  Weber not having a NTC or NMC, while looked to a reasonable price for the rest of his career should be worth a heck of a lot more.

Posted by Luongo-is-my-hero on 09/05/12 at 08:05 PM ET

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If the Predators were going to trade him at any point wouldn’t they have done so before now?

Because trading the rights of an RFA would get a significantly lesser return than if you have a guy on a long-term contract with a reasonable (ish) cap hit and a big chunk of it paid off.

Posted by Garth on 09/05/12 at 09:18 PM ET

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Posted by Garth on 09/05/12 at 10:18 PM ET

Agreed, completely. I think it is as simple as that. After that massive year-and-a-day payout is done, trading for Shea Weber at a cost of $6.5 million per season is pretty much a no-brainer for any team that has the opportunity and assets to get it done.

I don’t think I’m exaggerating by saying that if the Preds put him on the block the day after the last of that big up-front payout, no fewer than 20 teams would be tripping over their balls to get a serious call into Poile. The competition would be fierce, and it would be an epic return for the Preds, one that would make trading a player that good at that reasonable of a remaining yearly cost worth it. And with the Preds record of scouting, drafting, and developing, they could turn it into a Herschel Walker deal.

Of course, this assumes he continues to be as good as he’s been, and actually he should even continue to get a little bit better.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 09/06/12 at 07:42 AM ET

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one that would make trading a player that good at that reasonable of a remaining yearly cost worth it. And with the Preds record of scouting, drafting, and developing, they could turn it into a Herschel Walker deal.
Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 09/06/12 at 08:42 AM ET

I agree but we’re talking Poile here. Ya know, the guy with the giant ego. An ego that’s so big he doesn’t have the sense to make moves because he thinks “his” players would never leave beautiful Nashville and an organization that’s as awesome-o as the Preds.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 09/06/12 at 10:27 AM ET

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