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Report- Doan May Be Too Expensive For Detroit

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Oh *#$%@& this shit.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/26/12 at 09:16 PM ET

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Hasn’t Ward been wrong on more stuff than he’s been right on?

If true, I wonder if it’s term that’s the problem or it really is just the asking price.

Posted by Moocat on 07/26/12 at 09:25 PM ET

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no one wants to play with the RW’s or Pens ! oh oh

Posted by Evilpens on 07/26/12 at 09:33 PM ET

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What the f**k ?! Too expensive?
Last time I checked we had lots of cap space.
Has Illitch ran out of money or is Holland preparing salary cap to drop 10m$?!

No playoffs next year.

Posted by Matias Tuuri from FINLAND on 07/26/12 at 09:36 PM ET

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Ahhh…this keeps getting better and better.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/26/12 at 09:38 PM ET

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The Red Wings are starting to look like the millionaire driving a Ford Fusion because a Mercedes is too expensive, and complaining about the quality of the ride.

Posted by awould on 07/26/12 at 09:40 PM ET

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What’s worse?

- “Overpaying” for a solid player at market price

- Doing nothing with millions of dollars in unused cap space and embracing mediocrity. 

Kenny better have some nice trades in mind if this is his UFA strategy… you can only ride on past accomplishments for so long. Especially considering Jimmy D laid a lot of the groundwork for him.

Posted by Bosephus from Behind enemy lines, Denver, CO on 07/26/12 at 09:48 PM ET

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Doan would be worth every penny but Ilitch is saving for a new arena and spending a lot of money on the Tigers.

Posted by hotchickenwings on 07/26/12 at 09:56 PM ET

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Considering the source, that means we’re a lock to sign Doan.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 07/26/12 at 10:03 PM ET

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The only positive way to look at this is that Doan clearly has been offered a lot of money for a number of years, and I’d prefer not to have the Wings handing out another multi-year, 35+ contract.

But seriously, this is horseshit…

Bobby Ryan, please.

Posted by Garth on 07/26/12 at 10:30 PM ET

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I’m a little annoyed by the Wings passing on Semin, but jeez, a guy like Doan is not worth the term or money.  He’ll probably top out at 20 goals and 50 points at most, but will get a big contract because he’s a “gritty character leader guy”  even though he’s more of a 2nd or 3rd liner ala Bobby Holik and Chris Drury.

Posted by henrymalredo from lansing on 07/26/12 at 10:46 PM ET

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Holland is preparing to go younger, guys.

When Suter and Parise fell through, Holland pretty much had made up his mind (there were legit efforts there).  When the offer for Nash was rejected, it was basically settled.  Not only will Nyquist, Mursak, Emmerton, Smith, etc, get their turn up with the Wings, it’ll also give guys like Sheahan, Ferraro, Jarnkrok, and Pulkinnen (and probably Brunner) more ice-time in Grand Rapids as a by-product (which people often overlook).

That’s why DET wasn’t in Weber trade talks.  That’s why DET never really had an offer to Semin.  That’s why they’re not going to break the bank for a 50-point guy (and declining)  3rd liner full of “intangibles”  It’s why nothing will probably happen for a Bobby Ryan trade.

Holland’s standing pat, and might bite on a value free agent d-man in August or September (teams like Philly also still have to shed a d-man somehow, even without Weber).  It probably has little to do with cap uncertainty, and more to do with not liking the market and who is available, and liking the youngsters.  If he does and he’s going for it, more power to him.  As much as I hated to Tootoo signing, I would have hated a Semin signing even more.  Let Karamanos roll that die…

Posted by Primis on 07/27/12 at 01:03 AM ET

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When Suter and Parise fell through, Holland pretty much had made up his mind (there were legit efforts there).  When the offer for Nash was rejected, it was basically settled.

So he made up his mind to go young after signing a 35-year old and missing out on two 27-year olds.  Then when his pitch for a 28-year old failed it was cemented, which is why he went after another 35-year old instead of going after a 25-year old scoring winger.

He didn’t go after an old guy like Ryan because he wants one of Philly’s defenseman, all of whom are older than Ryan except for Luke Schenn who they just traded for.

Detroit wasn’t in Weber talks because Nashville was talking trade and there was no way they were ever, ever going to even consider the possibility of trading Weber to the Wings.

Posted by Garth on 07/27/12 at 01:17 AM ET

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Garth, Ken thinks Detroit is still a playoff team with what they have now.  Most fans don’t obviously.  Thus why there’s the huge discrepancy in “urgency”.  Though a lot of that is that fans are used to be a true obvious Cup contender every year, and they might not be that this year, not so much that the sky has fallen.  DET could easily be a mid-seed still in the West I guess.

As the Chief has noted, outside of Suter and maybe Carle, there were no d-man worth a crap available in the FA market.  He can’t improve that.  A d-man might be available later for very, very cheap if he’s still a UFA or if/when a team like Philly needs to jettison one, but unless that’s the case he’s not going to make a move just to make one (which at this point is literally what many fans are asking for).

And as I’ve said before, all this crying for a wing for Datsyuk is easily solved from within if Babcock just finally swallows his enormous pride and admits he’s better off playing Z on Pavel’s wing.  Then have Fil centering Franzen and say Nyquist at least part of the time and see if teams key in on the 1st line to give a guy like Franzen more room/time.  That’s a reasonable top 2 lines I think, and a genuinely-lethal top line with Pavel and Z together.

Posted by Primis on 07/27/12 at 01:15 PM ET

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And as I’ve said before, all this crying for a wing for Datsyuk is easily solved from within if Babcock just finally swallows his enormous pride and admits he’s better off playing Z on Pavel’s wing.  Then have Fil centering Franzen

No it isn’t.

Tthe point of the “crying” is that Detroit doesn’t have six top-six forwards, they have four.  This isn’t remedied by just shuffling the four top-six forwards around.

If you put the team’s second best centre on the top line as a winger, and move Franzen down to the second line then you have a stronger top line and a weaker second line, because not only is Filppula a lesser centre than Zetterberg, he is also not as productive at centre as he is when he’s on Zetterberg’s wing.  And on top of that, Franzen isn’t likely to be more productive playing with a lesser centre than Datsyuk or Zetterberg.

So your solution is to make the first line a little better by making the second line much worse.

I’m sorry, but I don’t see that as a solution at all.

Posted by Garth on 07/27/12 at 01:56 PM ET

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