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Reaction To The Rich Nash Trade To The New York Rangers

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DrewBehr's avatar

Howson will now sign Alexander Semin to a 10 year contract.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 07/23/12 at 05:41 PM ET

Da lil Guy's avatar

Really, the only thing that Sather could have done better was include Redden.

Posted by Da lil Guy from Guelph, Ontario on 07/23/12 at 05:47 PM ET

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Columbus reaffirms its place as one of the worst managed franchises in the nhl.  to think, well run clubs send Cbus money to stay in business.  What a croc, Bettman

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/23/12 at 06:21 PM ET

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One new coach, two new assistant coaches, and four (maybe five) new players.  The overhaul is nearly complete.

“Nearly,” because Howson is still CBJ’s sad sack GM.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/23/12 at 06:49 PM ET

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So New York gets an All Star player for a 2/3d liner, a 3d liner, a #5/6 defenseman, and a mid-late round first pick?  Great trade for them.  The only way this trade works out for Columbus is if Anisimov ever becomes a 30 goal scorer, Erixon develops into a #3/4 defenseman, and Nash peters out from injuries.

Posted by Rob from Arizona on 07/23/12 at 07:48 PM ET

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Really, the only thing that Sather could have done better was include Redden.

Posted by Da lil Guy from Ottawa on 07/23/12 at 03:47 PM ET

I like it.


So New York gets an All Star player for a 2/3d liner, a 3d liner, a #5/6 defenseman, and a mid-late round first pick?  Great trade for them.  The only way this trade works out for Columbus is if Anisimov ever becomes a 30 goal scorer, Erixon develops into a #3/4 defenseman, and Nash peters out from injuries.

Posted by Rob from Arizona on 07/23/12 at 05:48 PM ET

I think this is key. The only way this doesn’t go down as one of the worst trades in history is if Rick Nash gets to broadway and just flat out sucks there. Even then, the return Sather would get by shipping him back out would still exceed what Howson got.

The only remote saving grace is that the offer Howson accepted is a little better than the putrid one from the trade deadline (dubinsky, erixon and two long-shot project prospects).

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/23/12 at 08:01 PM ET

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Howson will now sign Alexander Semin to a 10 year contract.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 07/23/12 at 03:41 PM ET

Heh.  I almost spat out my coffee.  And then per CapGeek, CBJ is still $13.8 million under the cap.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/23/12 at 08:17 PM ET

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People always forget to look at the contracts in these kinds of deals.

Sather got a guy who is maybe worth his yearly contract, but likely not.  In order to get a guy who may or may not even be worth his cap hit, he gave up some assets, none of which are all that impressive.

That is as it should be.  I don’t think the trade is ‘awful’ in either direction because Howson had a guy who while a very good player is likely an overcompensated player in a hard cap system.  Sather gave up a bunch of minor parts, of which only maybe one or two will be relevant.

This is because there isn’t much spread between Nash’s contract and his value, and because the NHL is a hard capped league.  If Nash was making 5 mil a year this trade would have been outstanding for Sather.

All of that said, the reason Howson is an idiot in this specific instance is that he bled out Nash’s value by letting this situation drag into this year.  He could have gotten at least this much at the deadline last year.  He wouldn’t have been as obviously desperate to trade Nash as he has been.

This is likely because he doesn’t pay as much attention to contract and ‘value’ as he should, either.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/23/12 at 08:32 PM ET

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He could have gotten at least this much at the deadline last year.

I don’t know, this doesn’t seem like any (or at least much) less than the Rangers were offering at the deadline, and conventional wisdom is that the Rangers had the best offer on the table at the deadline…

Posted by Garth on 07/23/12 at 08:57 PM ET

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People always forget to look at the contracts in these kinds of deals.

Here’s the thing: the salary is a wash each direction. Dubinsky is as overpaid for what he does as Nash is for what he does. The only brightsides for Howson, here, is the idea that Nash might be on the verge of washing up and that the offer he passed on at the deadline was worse.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/23/12 at 09:38 PM ET

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Here’s the thing: the salary is a wash each direction.

There’s a difference between salary and contract, though.

Nash is making 7.8 mil a year for 6 more seasons.

Dubinsky is making 4.2 for three more, and none of the other guys are compensated on a noteworthy level.

So while both guys are likely overpaid by similar amounts percentage-wise, one guy will be overpaid for twice as long… and considering Nash is 28 now it’s not entirely unlikely the gap between his value and his cap number will widen further over time, especially at the tail end of the deal.

On a certain level, you have to look at the Nash trade from the BJ perspective like a glorified salary-dump… because that’s pretty much what it is.  It’s not like moving him makes the BJ’s better on the ice either now or in the future.  All it really does is free up both short and long-term cap space to allow Howson another chance (God help those poor bastards) to build the team.

He’ll fail at it, of course… but that’s hardly the point. wink

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/23/12 at 09:58 PM ET

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considering Nash is 28 now it’s not entirely unlikely the gap between his value and his cap number will widen further over time, especially at the tail end of the deal.

Fair enough, but considering that he’s going to a good team, with an excellent playmaking centre it’s not entirely unlikely that the gap between his value and his cap number will narrow for at least a few years before it begins to widen.

Posted by Garth on 07/23/12 at 10:18 PM ET

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Heard Del Zotto was on the table at the deadline as well, for what it’s worth.  Heard it was any combo of the 3 and Erixon and a 1st.

Howson wanted Stepan or Kreider (by the draft deadline after his playoff performance) or McDonaugh

I’d say Howson left himself a gaping hole in the top 6 and is slowly following the detroit model of collecting bottom 6 grinders and mucking out wins.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/23/12 at 10:42 PM ET

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Fair enough, but considering that he’s going to a good team, with an excellent playmaking centre it’s not entirely unlikely that the gap between his value and his cap number will narrow for at least a few years before it begins to widen.

I don’t think Nash is any more or less of a value as a player simply because he moves to a different team.  There are always situations which may better utilize a guy, but that’s about it.

In other words, just going from Columbus to NY does not in any way make Nash a better player, but it will almost certainly make him a more productive and successful one.

I mean, would Nash be worth more per year in Detroit as opposed to Columbus?  Not really.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/23/12 at 10:49 PM ET

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The “professionals” who say that Howson did a good job are such suckups. Ridiculous!

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/23/12 at 10:58 PM ET

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