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Raffi Torres Suspended For The Rest Of The Series With The Kings

Brendan Shanahan explains the suspension, illegal check to the head.

 

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wolverine's avatar

Not a Torres fan by any means, but if you have to straighten a guy up before you hit him, just take hitting out of the game.  Torres is being held responsible for the position of Stoll’s body.  With this in mind, everyone can skate bent over at the waist at 90 degrees so that you can’t hit anything but the head.  When did hitting “the core of the body” enter into the lingo of hockey.  Hockey is fast, guys are moving, and it sure looks like Torres hits Stoll’s shoulder first.

Posted by wolverine on 05/16/13 at 06:57 PM ET

Hockeytown Wax's avatar

Pathetic.

If it was a glancing blow Stoll would have spun like a top ... which he didn’t.
He got hit in the shoulder and fell sideways.
How he calls the head the “principle point of contact” i’ll never know ... incidental or secondary contact maybe but principle ??

Shanny is a corporate suckup and needs to learn how to interpret the rules properly.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/16/13 at 07:00 PM ET

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I agree with the suspension and the explanation.  Torres could have, as explained in the video, produced the same result with hitting more of the shoulder.  The way Torres hit Stoll, seems to me, he tried to minimize any impact he felt himself.  If you’re going for a big hit you should be prepared to take the corresponding impact to your body.

Posted by bobinchico from Chico, CA on 05/16/13 at 07:11 PM ET

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Torres is being held responsible for the position of Stoll’s body.

No, he’s being held responsible for his actions.  Stoll’s body didn’t move at the last moment.  Torres knew exactly what he was doing, and he didn’t have to hit Stoll like that.

it sure looks like Torres hits Stoll’s shoulder first.

Yeah, and if only Shanahan had addressed that in the video.

Posted by Garth on 05/16/13 at 07:19 PM ET

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No, he’s being held responsible for his actions.  Stoll’s body didn’t move at the last moment.  Torres knew exactly what he was doing, and he didn’t have to hit Stoll like that.

Yeah, why is Torres hitting him like that.  Let’s all get participation ribbons and we all get to spend a day with the cup.  Look, I hate head shots more than anybody.  But if I’m moving at 20 m.p.h. and you’re moving at 20 m.p.h., and I turn sideways to hit you from the side, excuse me if I don’t hit the core of your body. 

Yeah, and if only Shanahan had addressed that in the video.


Yeah, I love the explanation of “taking a route through the core of his body”  and “the reactions of both players bodies makes it clear it was a glancing blow” .  This means if you can’t plant a guy and stop him in his tracks, don’t hit him.  Come on Shanny.

Posted by wolverine on 05/16/13 at 09:11 PM ET

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I think this sets a bad precedent; a varying length suspension pending on the length of the series? What if the Chum sweep them now? Only a 4 game suspension then he gets to play? What if the Chum take them to 7 and win? A 6 game suspension but then again he gets to play?

Bollocks.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 05/16/13 at 09:14 PM ET

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so essentially it is 10 games less than what matt cooke got from the league for his elbow to the head of the rangers defensmen?

BS. 

When will the league at least match what they handed out to cooke?

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 05/16/13 at 09:14 PM ET

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so essentially it is 10 games less than what matt cooke got from the league for his elbow to the head of the rangers defensmen?

BS.

When will the league at least match what they handed out to cooke?

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 05/16/13 at 09:14 PM ET

Probably sometime in, uh, last year when they gave the same guy a 25er?

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 05/16/13 at 09:53 PM ET

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Clearly deserves suspension i wouldve given at least 10 games playoffs used to count twice as much so 15 reasonable

Posted by jkm2011 on 05/16/13 at 09:55 PM ET

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Probably sometime in, uh, last year when they gave the same guy a 25er?

LOL.  Oops.  I must have turned hockey off after watching the pens choke against the flyers.  Missed that one completely.

i guess if 25 games does not change a player nothing will.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 05/16/13 at 11:01 PM ET

Hockeytown Wax's avatar

Have you ever thought maybe the player isn’t wrong ??

Maybe Shanahan is wrong ... maybe the new rules are wrong ... maybe suspending a player for a legal shoulder on shoulder check is wrong .... just because the guy he hits might be concussed.

You CAN get a concussion without head contact yanno.  The possible injury does NOT identify the point of contact.

Maybe someone in the NHL front office has an agenda and wants all contact taken out of hockey, so making up excuses and seeing things that aren’t really there and suspending players for just throwing an open ice hit will become the norm.

Personally, I think it’s a load of crap.  Hockey is going down the dumper slowly and painfully, and anyone that says they love hockey and can’t see this happening is fooling themselves.

Torres is another Chelios ... sure you hate him now but, if he were to become a Red Wing, and he gave this half-assed, whimpy, I’m scared to hit anything team a spine and they started winning Stanley Cups again, you’d think he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

His aggressive, take no prisoners, physical style of hockey is exactly what we need and here you are, slamming a guy for just doing what he thinks is right ... doing what his coaches have taught him over the years. Slap a few new unnecessary rules on the books and all of a sudden a hockey player turns into a villain.

Before you say it yes ... I realize we have a guy like that in Jordan Tootoo. Unfortunately, he’s just a little bit smaller than Torres and that much less effective.

Before you condemn a players actions or style of play, make sure you are coming at it from a completely neutral perspective.  If Torres was a Red Wing you’d be singing a different tune.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/17/13 at 04:45 AM ET

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But if I’m moving at 20 m.p.h. and you’re moving at 20 m.p.h., and I turn sideways to hit you from the side, excuse me if I don’t hit the core of your body.

I won’t have to excuse you; Shanahan will do that for anywhere between 1 and 6 games depending on whether you have a history of taking the route which leads you to make sure you get a guy’s head.

Before you condemn a players actions or style of play, make sure you are coming at it from a completely neutral perspective.  If Torres was a Red Wing you’d be singing a different tune.

That’s good advice which I think you should take.

The reactions of lots of Sharks fans immediately after the trade and every day since hasn’t exactly been “we’re glad to have this guy on our team.”  Many of them are as rightfully disgusted with how much he tries to hurt people as people who don’t like the team he’s on.

anyone that says they love hockey and can’t see this happening is fooling themselves.

In my opinion, anybody that says they love hockey and can’t see what an irredeemable dangerous prick Raffi Torres is doesn’t love the same kind of hockey I love and if the game is moving away from what they would prefer, I’m happier.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 05/17/13 at 09:22 AM ET

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I am going to pose a question; what if this was the Kings Dustin Brown laying this hit on the Sharks Patrick Marleau or Joe Pavelski, how long of a suspension would he get for the same hit? Has he not made some of the same kinds of plays only to escape suspension? Thoughts?

Posted by goon from Grand Forks, ND on 05/17/13 at 11:45 AM ET

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Bickell and Shaw (esp. Shaw) Boarding Kindl in the Head.  Just a two minute penalty for boarding.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 05/17/13 at 12:23 PM ET

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Posted by goon from Grand Forks, ND on 05/17/13 at 11:45 AM ET

This remains the single worst thing about the supplemental discipline process.

I will say this: although Dustin Brown deserves more suspensions than he has, he doesn’t have the history that Torres does. When Raffi got his big timeout for hitting Hossa last season and said he wasn’t going to change how he played (since retracted), he was warned that he was going to get the worst of it if another questionable hit came down.

If it’s Dustin Brown, it’s maybe two games. If it’s a first-time offender, it’s probably one game.  I don’t have a problem with the league coming down harder on Torres.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 05/17/13 at 01:30 PM ET

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I think this sets a bad precedent; a varying length suspension pending on the length of the series?

This is following a precedent, not setting one. The only other active guy with a comparable disciplinary record who committed an infraction such as this, Matt Cooke, was once suspended for 10(ish) regular season games + 1 playoff series. One could argue that insofar as a precedent is not being followed, it’s because the Torres suspension is more than 10 games light (the player Cooke hit that caused the suspension was uninjured, while Stoll is obviously injured).

I am going to pose a question; what if this was the Kings Dustin Brown laying this hit on the Sharks Patrick Marleau or Joe Pavelski, how long of a suspension would he get for the same hit? Has he not made some of the same kinds of plays only to escape suspension? Thoughts?

Posted by goon from Grand Forks, ND on 05/17/13 at 11:45 AM ET

I’m not a Kings fan and I’m even less of a Brown fan, but no, I would not think it correct to give Brown the same suspension for the same hit.

I’ll use DUIs as an analogy.

Brown’s a guy that everybody knows drives drunk. However, he’s only been caught once. He gets another DUI.

Torres is a guy with 5 warnings for reckless driving and another 6 DUI convictions, the last of which came with big-time destruction of property. He served jail time and was paroled. While on parole he gets another DUI.

Both of these guys end up before a judge. Who does the judge hammer harder? Obviously the second one. I don’t see this as all that different from Shanahan’s perspective.

Posted by larry on 05/17/13 at 01:39 PM ET

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Bickell and Shaw (esp. Shaw) Boarding Kindl in the Head.  Just a two minute penalty for boarding.

Posted by SYF from the Flood on 05/17/13 at 12:23 PM ET

I’m not sure this should have been a penalty at all. Kindl loses his footing trying to make a tight turn while engaged in a battle with another player. I guess you could argue that Bickell gives him a shove, but understand that this happens to a puck carrier 50 times per game and nobody notices because the guy rarely falls. If this were called with regularity, there would be no even strength hockey.

Shaw definitely didn’t do anything wrong though. Colliding with the boards 2 feet in front of a puck carrier and spinning out of control looks dumb, but isn’t against any rule I know of.

Posted by larry on 05/17/13 at 01:54 PM ET

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