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Panthers Grind Their Axe

from a FloridaPanthers tweet,

Saturday’s game video was dedicated to the “experts” who said #FlaPanthers would finish last in the SE

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Pretty impressive for a team that lost 8 of their last 10 and clinched with a Sabres loss while getting waxed by the Capitals.

The Macarena was on the radio when this team last won a playoff game. Devils in 6.

Posted by tj77 from usa on 04/09/12 at 05:20 PM ET


A team that leads the league (not just playoff teams) in loser points, too.  18 of their 94 points came from losing in OT/SO.  They had 38 wins in an 82 game schedule; 32 if you exclude shootout wins and use ROW instead.  Lowest win total and ROW amongst all 16 playoff teams.  Their 17 shootouts were the most among all 16 playoff teams—and they lost 11 of them.  Their other 7 loser points were in OT.

Next closest in loser points among Eastern Conference playoff teams was Ottawa with 10.  Nobody else even had double-digits in that category.

Grind that axe.

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 04/09/12 at 06:14 PM ET

Chris in Hockey Hell's avatar

Greg, your last post is the exact reason that the league needs to scrap the loser point. I won’t get all long-winded with my opinion on that topic right now, but this is the perfect illustration of why the extra point is idiotic.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 04/09/12 at 06:36 PM ET


I believe we previously had a discussion where I advocated the 2-1-0 rule:  Two points for ROW, 1 point for SO win, 0 points for loss.  The changes in the standings are interesting.  The biggest loser would be the Florida Panthers, unsurprisingly.  They would be 4th in the SE division (tied with Winnipeg for 3rd in points, but behind in both wins and ROW), behind the division winning Capitals and playoff-bound Lightning, but still ahead of the Hurricanes.  Buffalo still misses the playoffs in this alternate universe.

#1 NYR - 98*
#2 BOS - 89*
#3 WSH - 80*
#4 PIT - 93
#5 PHI - 90
#6 NJD - 84
#7 OTT - 76
#8 TBL - 73
#9 BUF - 71
#10 WPG - 70
#11 FLA - 70
#12 TOR - 66
#13 CAR - 65
#14 NYI - 61
#15 MTL - 57

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 04/09/12 at 07:17 PM ET

tuxedoTshirt's avatar

Did you subtract a point for each shootout win?

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 04/09/12 at 07:26 PM ET


I decided to save Western Conference fans the trouble and compute the ‘alternate universe’ (2-1-0) standings for that conference too.  Basically the Kings drop out and the Stars take their place.  Turns out the President’s Trophy winner in the alternate universe is the NY Rangers.  Top seed in the West is St Louis on account of tiebreaker.  No team reaches the 100 point mark, in either conference.

#1 STL - 94*
#2 VAN - 94*
#3 PHX - 78*
#4 NSH - 91
#5 DET - 87
#6 CHI - 83
#7 SJS - 77
#8 DAL - 77
#9 LAK - 74
#10 CGY - 71
#11 COL - 73
#12 ANA - 65
#13 EDM - 59
#14 MIN - 59
#15 CBJ - 54

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 04/09/12 at 07:29 PM ET


tuxedoTshirt, the standings in my posts were computed as follows:

ROW = Regulation and Overtime Wins
SOW = Shootout Wins
PTS = Points

(So to answer your question, yes, I only award half-credit for a shootout win.  And no points for any loss.)

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 04/09/12 at 07:31 PM ET

Chris in Hockey Hell's avatar

Thanks for doing the math, Greg. Personally, I think it should just be a cut-and-dried 2-0 points system, but your proposal it a great step in the right direction and gives a much more accurate representation of each teams talent level.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 04/09/12 at 07:44 PM ET


My rationale for the 1-point shootout win is that the shootout is a “tie, with a loser”.  I can understand how someone might disagree with that assessment.  So I decided to compute… ANOTHER alternate universe!  In this one, it’s 2-2-0.  Two points for any win, zero points for any loss.  To compute, either use the real universe’s PTS minus OTL, or use 2*W (where W includes ROW and SOW).  So it’s the same standings as today, except chop out the loser point.

President’s Trophy still with the Rangers on account of tiebreaker.  This time, Buffalo lucks out.  Still no Florida, but they’re a lot closer to a playoff spot.  They lost it by losing in DC the night that they clinched a spot in the “real” universe.

1 NYR - 102*
2 BOS - 98*
3 WSH - 84*
4 PIT - 102
5 NJD - 96
6 PHI - 94
7 OTT - 82
8 BUF - 78
9 TBL - 76
10 FLA - 76
11 WPG - 74
12 TOR - 70
13 NYI - 68
14 CAR - 66
15 MTL - 62

And in the West, SJ is the Pacific Division winner… LA still out.  Dallas still in.

1 VAN - 102*
2 STL - 98*
3 SJS - 86*
4 NSH - 96
5 DET - 96
6 CHI - 90
7 PHX - 84
8 DAL - 84
9 COL - 82
10 LAK - 80
11 CGY - 74
12 MIN - 70
13 ANA - 68
14 EDM - 64
15 CBJ - 58

...Please note that I prefer my 2-1-0 system to this 2-2-0 system.  Down with the shootout, I say! raspberry

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 04/09/12 at 07:51 PM ET


Chris in Hockey Hell:  Looks like I answered your next question without you even asking it yet.  smile  There are the standings for your preferred alternate universe, in my post right above this one!  I still like my universe better (as a measure of talent level), but reasonable people can disagree…

Posted by GregAnnapolis on 04/09/12 at 07:54 PM ET


That was awesome.  Good for the Panthers.  The problem with using a different system of points is you don’t know if teams would have changed the way they play OT.  Same with using this years schedule but fitting it into the proposed divisions.  If the NHL ever changes the point system, I wish they would go with 5pt games if they plan on keeping the shootout.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/09/12 at 09:04 PM ET

tuxedoTshirt's avatar

Ah, I’m not feelin this gripe.  The tight races are awesome.  Watching teams play to the tie was the absolute lamest crap.  Now every game matters like the playoffs - it’s way better.  I don’t see that changing it so the “truly best” teams are reflected, and that the trade deadline are better, is worth it at all.  The old way meant a tonne of games mailed in and a tonne of teams whose fate is known early.  Basically it was a race for 8th between two teams in each conference.
Everyone plays with same rules, and it absolutely affects the strategies.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 04/10/12 at 04:35 AM ET

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