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Owners Win But Want More

from Damian Cristodero of the Tampa Bay Times,

The NHL has won its labor war with the players. It's over.

Owners have gotten what some estimates say is $1 billion in concessions from players, assuming a 10-year collective bargaining agreement. Contract rules will be tightened. Players aren't even arguing existing contracts should be honored.

So why are we in Day 99 of the lockout with no end in sight and the fight making its way, perhaps, toward the courts?

Because the league wants even more, a position that frustrates Lightning star Marty St. Louis.

"The truth is hockey players, our whole life, we're groomed to stick together and fight; when it gets tough, to dig in," he recently said at the Ice Sports Forum in Brandon. "I think we're being more than reasonable.

"I think we've done our part."

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nobody won. fehr lost bcause he did his job by making the siutation less worst for the players and bettman lost because before neogations started he told owner ‘hey i’m going to get 43% of hrr from players’ and what happen he gotten a 50/50 split. when go back to owners like a james dolan and ed snider say ‘hey i got a 50/50 split and they are going to be shaking their hands during the entire time saying to themselves “why did we let this occur?”. btw, nhl lost the fans in end.

Posted by FlyersFan on 12/23/12 at 02:12 AM ET

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“The truth is hockey players, our whole life, we’re groomed to stick together and fight; when it gets tough, to dig in,”

dingdingding!

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/23/12 at 05:23 AM ET

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“The truth is hockey players, our whole life, we’re groomed to stick together and fight; when it gets tough, to dig in, I think we’re being more than reasonable. I think we’ve done our part.”

Says a guy who earns over 5.5 million per year to fellow teammate Adam Hall, who makes just a shade less than 5 million per year than fearless leader Marty.

My heart aches for you, St. Louis.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 12/23/12 at 11:10 AM ET

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How is his salary relevant? It’s about 68% of what Bettman takes home, and who has bettman ever made cheer? What’s the point of mentioning MSL’s wage?

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 12/23/12 at 12:14 PM ET

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How is his salary relevant?

If you’ve never brought up how much an owner makes and/or is worth as a function of what they should be ‘allowed’ to make from hockey ops, it probably is not relevant.

If you have brought up that since owners are rich(er) than player they should be perfectly willing to run hockey teams as break-even ventures, then it is relevant in demonstrating that you (in this case) are being inconsistent.

Further, it’s relevant because guys who have made 5+ million over the course of their careers are far less likely to be in significant or even immediate financial peril by a lockout, so they have far less financial reason to play than the guys who have ‘only’ made around 500k a year here and there in their NHL careers.

It’s about 68% of what Bettman takes home, and who has bettman ever made cheer?

All the owners for whom he serves as the public face so that they can all, by and large, escape any kind of significant public backlash as a result of this lockout.  Or the last one.  Or the next one.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/23/12 at 01:18 PM ET

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Yeah….....it’s Marty’s fault that Tampa isn’t profitable.  Just take a little from him and everything will be cool.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 12/23/12 at 01:54 PM ET

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So you’re for total socialism then RW?  You play hockey, you make this much.  You are a mechanic, you make this much.  If you’re a decent human being you wont make more money, regardless of your talent or accomplishments, than anyone else in your profession.

The shit that’s coming out of people’s mouths is absolutely blowing my mind.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 12/23/12 at 02:07 PM ET

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Making the argument that your irrelevant position is somehow relevant because someone else might have said something else two or three months ago?

Do you write The Puck Stops Here, by chance?

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 12/23/12 at 02:20 PM ET

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So you’re for total socialism then RW?  You play hockey, you make this much.  You are a mechanic, you make this much.

Well, HO, then why are you so adamant that Owners should only make ‘this much’ from hockey ops?  Why is it wrong for Owners to seek to make more money, but it’s fine for players to seek more money?

Making the argument that your irrelevant position is somehow relevant because someone else might have said something else two or three months ago?

It’s a question of consistency, red.  If someone wants to make the case that a certain degree of greater relative wealth should establish a different set of reasonable priorities then that ought to be applied consistently.

So, in this case, if the relative salary of rich players v. poorer players isn’t relevant then neither is the relative net worths of owners v. players.

Since I’m not sure what you’ve said about the issue before, I mentioned that it’s really only a relevant point if you’ve made the ‘owners are rich so they should be fine losing money/not making any money on hockey ops’ argument.  I have seen that argument made here on this issue, and by more than a couple people, I just don’t know that it was you, specifically, that said something along those lines.

Hence, temporizing.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/24/12 at 07:29 AM ET

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So, in this case, if the relative salary of rich players v. poorer players isn’t relevant then neither is the relative net worths of owners v. players.

Players Vs Owners =/= Members of the union Vs other members of the union who have different roles but are on the side.

Posted by Garth on 12/24/12 at 01:29 PM ET

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