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Now What Pittsburgh?

via Bob McKenzie tweest,

Breaking news: Hearing Jordan Staal turned down 10-yr mega offer from PIT. Has indicated to PIT he doesn’t plan on signing extension now.

Let Jordan Staal trade rumors begin

Update: More from McKenzie:

If Staal won’t re-up in PIT, where he loves it, not expected to extend with anyone else who may trade for him. Except perhaps Carolina. #bro

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He Gone.

Posted by !! on 06/21/12 at 07:07 PM ET

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Welcome to Carolina, Jordan.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 06/21/12 at 07:37 PM ET

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Trade to Western Conference, then signing back in the East next year. Let’s start the rumor wagon now.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 06/21/12 at 07:40 PM ET

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Ugh…

If true, I’m just hoping for the best deal now.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 06/21/12 at 07:47 PM ET

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Dude refused a decade deal.

No one considers that not all players want such a long deal? Like, why wouldn’t he sign for three years?

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 06/21/12 at 07:49 PM ET

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Please let McKenzie be wrong for once.  Staal needs to be a Red Wing in the worst way.  Give him the franchise rights to any Little Caesars south of US10, and a lifetime supply of Hot N’ Readies.

Posted by Hootinani on 06/21/12 at 07:51 PM ET

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Unless it’s a sign-and-trade, I still don’t really see Staal getting dealt before next season ends.

So the Penguins are going to trade him to get the most value possible out of him?  Well yeah, that’s a great idea.  The best idea is to get the most value possible out of him regardless of whether that’s in a trade.

Unless the return is significant, the Penguins are a better team with Jordan Staal on the roster than they are without him.  Getting the most value out of Jordan Staal has a decent shot of meaning “Use Jordan Staal to help you in the playoffs and hopefully win a cup… then trade him for the remaining scraps of his value prior to July 1st because at least that way you get a cup.”

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/21/12 at 07:52 PM ET

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His value just went down when other teams see that he just turned down a reported 10 year offer. Gotta move him now though to get something, rather than nothing for him. JJ from Kansas is correct in saying we are a better team with him than without him, but get an asset for him now instead of nothing later. Heck, if we can move him with Paul Martin that would be a win for us in moving Martin alone!

Posted by chuckinrlp from Red Lion, PA on 06/21/12 at 07:56 PM ET

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Staal needs to be a Red Wing in the worst way.
Posted by Hootinani on 06/21/12 at 05:51 PM ET

Right… because we just signed our 3rd line Center to a 4 year deal, so it would make sense to sign another one.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 06/21/12 at 09:10 PM ET

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Staal needs to be a Red Wing in the worst way.
Posted by Hootinani on 06/21/12 at 05:51 PM ET

Right… because we just signed our 3rd line Center to a 4 year deal, so it would make sense to sign another one.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 06/21/12 at 07:10 PM ET

Disagree with you DrewBehr. I’d take him in a second. He is the kind of player you win cups with, whether you consider him a top six forward, third line guy or whatever.

I predict Pittsburgh will regret it for a long time if they can’t come to terms with Staal.

Posted by mc keeper on 06/21/12 at 09:31 PM ET

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Lebrun just said that Buffalo, Toronto and Anaheim have contacted us about Staal. Video is on tsn.ca. Video is titled DraftCentre: Deal Denied.

Posted by Evilpens on 06/21/12 at 09:38 PM ET

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J.J., here was the reported deal offered by the Trib’s Rob Rossi:

@RobRossi_Trib on KD: per lg source Carolina offer to #Pens for Staal is Justin Faulk, Brandon Sutter, 8th overall pick + taking Paul Martin

Posted by Tony from Virginia Beach, VA on 06/21/12 at 11:07 PM ET

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I predict Pittsburgh will regret it for a long time if they can’t come to terms with Staal.

The only way the Pens will regret it is if Crosby or Malkin immediately get their career ended right after they get rid of Staal.  If you can only keep 2 of the 3, with all things being equal, it’s Crosby and Malkin.  You can always sign a 3rd line C for a shut down line or try to develop one.  Will they have the same offensive upside as Staal?  Of course not, but it would hardly be the end of the world.  If they didn’t get anyone, then it would create issues in the post season for sure.  While Crosby and Malkin aren’t the best in the d-zone, they aren’t the worst.  I would expect them, as what happens with most players, to become more defensively responsible as they mature.  10 years, 60 mil is the best the Pens can do.  It just doesn’t make sense to go any higher, though if he wants shorter term, then by all means, give it to him.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/21/12 at 05:52 PM ET

If all these reports are true though, and while McKenzie is reputable anything can happen, how can a team go into the season with this Staal cloud hanging over them?  Ignoring financial implications, it could turn out similar to Parise this year.  If the Pens were guaranteed a Cup by keeping Staal this year and losing him next season, then I would say definitely keep him.  But no one can make that guarantee.  And if they wind up trading him for a late round pick next year before July 1st and don’t win the Cup, then it’s poor asset management.  Failure is anything but the Cup.  There’s also the possibility that the return for Staal could make the Pens better now and later, though I doubt it with these reports coming out now.  All it takes is two teams to get in a bidding war though.

My personal opinion is that I would love for the Pens to keep all 3 C’s, but if they can’t, then they need to attempt to identify the two they will keep and try to get the maximum return.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 06/21/12 at 11:07 PM ET

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Posted by Tony from Virginia Beach, VA on 06/21/12 at 09:07 PM ET

I’ve seen that deal as well Tony, and if it is true, it should have been made a couple days ago.  I’m one of the few people I think, or at least know of, that would rather keep Martin than Michalek ,but that deal is too good to pass up as it helps you now and in the future. 

I’ve also read on LGP that Canes sources are saying Faulk isn’t in play at all, so that ends that.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 06/21/12 at 11:10 PM ET

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Tony, what I have heard is Faulk is untouchable and Sutter is right behind him.

I can see maybe Sutter but Faulk won’t be included in my opinion.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/21/12 at 11:10 PM ET

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Ugh!

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 06/21/12 at 11:46 PM ET

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If all these reports are true though, and while McKenzie is reputable anything can happen, how can a team go into the season with this Staal cloud hanging over them?  Ignoring financial implications, it could turn out similar to Parise this year.

You’re right.  The Parise thing really hurt those devils.  They only made it to the finals.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/21/12 at 11:55 PM ET

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Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 06/21/12 at 09:07 PM ET

Definitely a gamble, but as far as the Penguins go in the playoffs with Staal, it also makes them that much more attractive to whatever free agents are available next summer.  I’d say the only way it’s a complete failure is if Pittsburgh has their season go to shit after the trade deadline (because if it’s already in the crapper before then, they could trade him then).

I mean, if the Penguins DO get offered something that’s going to make them good enough and give them a bit of future return, then Shero absolutely should trade him, but I’m not sure what opposing GMs are going to offer for one season of Staal. 

If that proposed Carolina trade was real, then the Penguins probably should have done it.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/22/12 at 12:06 AM ET

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Staal to Carolina to play with “family”...

Posted by TheFreak on 06/22/12 at 12:22 AM ET

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I mean, if the Penguins DO get offered something that’s going to make them good enough and give them a bit of future return, then Shero absolutely should trade him, but I’m not sure what opposing GMs are going to offer for one season of Staal. 

See Paul gaustad trade for two months of contract.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 06/22/12 at 12:26 AM ET

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@RobRossi_Trib on KD: per lg source Carolina offer to #Pens for Staal is Justin Faulk, Brandon Sutter, 8th overall pick + taking Paul Martin

Posted by Tony from Virginia Beach, VA on 06/21/12 at 09:07 PM ET

Given that Staal won’t sign a 60 million 10 year deal, I’d take that (as opposed to some 1-1 swap for Ryan or a Roy+adam or something deal with Buffalo). Still rather have Staal.

https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/215930752058138626
Posted by bsalamon on 06/21/12 at 06:26 PM ET

For once, Brooks makes a good point. He’s wrong, but that’s a question worth asking: why Carolina instead of NY? The answer, of course, is that Marc isn’t signed in NY for a decade and Carolina already has 2 Staals. Seems to me, Carolina wants to unite all 4, including Marc when his deal’s up. They’re the only team that can do that.

But both Sather and Shero would be wise to get together and make noise about a threat of J Staal to new york as a bluff. Shero to get Carolina to pay a higher price, Sather to get Columbus to take a lesser one for Nash.

Staal needs to be a Red Wing in the worst way.

I don’t see it. The obvious reason Staal would reject such a huge deal and decline any negotiations at all would be that he wants a larger role (which he gets in Carolina). Barring some serious, unexpected deterioration in Datsyuk’s or Zetterberg’s game, his role would be identical in Detroit as it is to Pittsburgh. He fits Detroit, but Detroit doesn’t fit him any different than Pittsburgh. Probably worse. Can the Red Wings even give him an A?

Tony, what I have heard is Faulk is untouchable and Sutter is right behind him.

I can see maybe Sutter but Faulk won’t be included in my opinion.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/21/12 at 09:10 PM ET

They said that, but I wonder. If Carolina has 3 Staals, how hard is it to get the 4th to sign with you when he’s up? Marc Staal’s ceiling is higher than Faulk’s, valuable as Faulk is.

Of course, Rutherford could roll the dice and hope that Jordan signs with them next season without giving up anything…but, from their perspective, what happens to their plans if Jordan gets flipped to NY for Kreider or something? And he and Marc don’t want to give up the light to move to Nascar country? Is Faulk so valuable that he’s worth risking the long-term dream of a Staalopoly?

Posted by larry from pitt on 06/22/12 at 02:01 AM ET

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Posted by Hootinani on 06/21/12 at 05:51 PM ET

While Filppula isn’t exactly Staal, I’d say he’s a poor man’s version of Staal…if not the closest thing to an equal in this league. Hell, Valterri put up more points this year then Jordan ever has…and he still kills penalties with the same vigor Staal does.

Larry is right, the Wings don’t really have a spot for the guy unless he wants to play 3rd line center…and if he’s unhappy with that in Pittsburgh…

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 06/22/12 at 02:50 AM ET

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Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/21/12 at 09:55 PM ET

I’m sorry, the Pens are at the point, and they have been for a couple years, that while making the finals is nice, that’s not the goal.  Failure is anything but winning the Cup.  If the Devils lose Parise, was it worth getting nothing in return for finishing 2nd last year? 

JJ, I agree that any GM that gives Shero a competent deal should be fired, but like I said, all it takes is two to get in a bidding war.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 06/22/12 at 08:22 AM ET

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LOL @ “#bro”

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/22/12 at 11:03 AM ET

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