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Not One Offer Sheet For Stamkos

from Ken Campbell of The Hockey News,

Why has nobody even come close to making that bold move for a player who has the potential to be the most dangerous goal-scorer in the NHL for the next decade? Some will have you believe there is a massive conspiracy of collusion at work here, that GMs around the league have a ‘nudge-nudge, wink-wink’ agreement they won’t raid each other’s rosters by poaching their best young players.

That is a very serious charge and I’m certainly not about to make it here, largely because I don’t believe it to be true. These are the same GMs who will take elements of a CBA that is supposed to help small market teams and find loopholes in it to gain a competitive advantage. I believe that if one of those GMs truly thought signing Stamkos to an offer sheet would make his team a Stanley Cup contender in the long run, he would have done it by now.

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The big question to me is, how do we know nobody has approached Stamkos?  I mean, it takes two to sign an offer sheet, doesn’t it?  The team has to offer it and the player has to sign it, right?

Maybe Stamkos made it clear that he wants to stay in Tampa, even if it takes a while to iron out the details.  Maybe he’s been approached by the likes of a Florida or an Edmonton and has told them to fly a kite.

Or maybe a team was willing to sign a front-loaded deal for Brad Richards isn’t willing to commit the kind of money and the kind of term it would take to actually wrest Stamkos from Tampa Bay’s clutches.  I’m sure everyone knows that it would take a cap hit of at least $10M+ to even make Yzerman consider not matching, and it would likely have to be a long term deal, too so…why bother?

Posted by Garth on 07/11/11 at 05:51 PM ET

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Tampa Bay is probably hoping that the Leafs, Panthers, or Islanders steal Stamkos. Short term, that’s not so good, but it worked pretty well for Boston in the Kessel deal long-term. But, it won’t happen—the draft picks and money are too great. Especially for a guy who didn’t finish the season near as strong as he started. OK, he dropped off dramatically!

Posted by penguinsfan on 07/11/11 at 05:52 PM ET

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perhaps most are following Ken Holland, in what my opinion is a smart move:With the CBA expiration looming, you dont put yourself in a vulnerable position where your left holding the bag. If anything Stevie should talk to Stamkos about that aspect and simply offer him a “present salary + perhaps a 10-20% raise” for the current year. They then have time until end of next season and CBA agreement to reach a long term deal. Just my opinion here.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 07/11/11 at 06:01 PM ET

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Frankly I’m tired of all the Stamkos offer sheet articles being written lately. People are writing articles about non-news.

I know it’s the summer but there have to be more original pieces that could be written.

Posted by Shane from Saskatoon on 07/11/11 at 06:15 PM ET

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If anything Stevie should talk to Stamkos about that aspect and simply offer him a “present salary + perhaps a 10-20% raise” for the current year.

If Stamkos’s agent tells him to sign a one year deal for $4.4 million, he should be fired.

I don’t understand what Yzerman thinks he’s doing. There are 4 comparable contracts signed by players of roughly similar numbers at a roughly similar age. All 4 players make between $8.5 and $9 million. None make a figure outside that 500k variance. For a player in his particular situation, the price is the price, unless he wants to raise the bar, which I doubt he’s looking to do.

By stubbornly lowballing him with an offer that’s not only $1-$2 million less than anyone like him has accepted, but $2.5-$3 million less than his teammate from the second line, the only thing Yzerman is going to accomplish is to piss him off. An extra million per year is not worth angering the guy who is expected to be the franchise player for 15 more years.

Posted by steviesteve on 07/11/11 at 06:50 PM ET

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Why do you assume he’s lowballing Stamkos and not that Stamkos is demanding $10M a year?

Posted by Garth on 07/11/11 at 06:54 PM ET

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The NHL is in deep, deep sh*t. These contracts are flat out comical. Half the league is bleeding cash. The next 5-10 years will be FASCINATING for pro hockey, basketball and baseball. The numbers don’t add up and the modern fan is smarter and savvier than ever. These teams already can’t sell luxury boxes to save their lives (which is what fueled expansion and skyrocketing salaries in the ‘90s). All of these Sunbelt teams will be a thing of the past in the next decade. Stamkos better think long and hard before he signs on the dotted line with Tampa. He just may wind up in Portland or some other hockey outpost.

Posted by Eric H. on 07/11/11 at 07:09 PM ET

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Why do you assume he’s lowballing Stamkos and not that Stamkos is demanding $10M a year?

Posted by Garth on 07/11/11 at 04:54 PM ET

The number that keeps getting leaked to the press for his ‘expected’ signing is too low for it to have come from his agent. It doesn’t help Don Meehan to call the Tampa newspapers in his negotiations and say Stamkos is going to sign for $7 million, when he knows Stamkos is worth $8.5 on the dot.

I don’t know that Stamkos isn’t demanding $12 million per year, but I have no reason to believe that. Regardless of what Stamkos is asking for, I do know that Yzerman’s lowballing him due to this $7 million figure that keeps popping up in newsreports.

Posted by steviesteve on 07/11/11 at 07:26 PM ET

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Regardless of what Stamkos is asking for, I do know that Yzerman’s lowballing him due to this $7 million figure that keeps popping up in newsreports.

Given those that make $7 million in the league, Stamkos should’ve signed yesterday. $7 million isn’t a lowball for a kid who just turned 21…as long as it’s not a 10 year deal.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 07/11/11 at 07:57 PM ET

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Given those that make $7 million in the league, Stamkos should’ve signed yesterday. $7 million isn’t a lowball for a kid who just turned 21…as long as it’s not a 10 year deal.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 07/11/11 at 05:57 PM ET

There is not even 1 player who had 121 goals at age 21 making anything in the vicinity of $7 million per year.

I assume you’re talking about Datsyuk with this “Given those that make $7 million in the league” business, but Stamkos is already more accomplished (more accomplished, not necessarily better) than Datsyuk was when the contract in question was signed, not to mention that the relative compensation Datsyuk accepted on that contract was 60% higher than $7 million per would be in 2011.

Posted by steviesteve on 07/11/11 at 08:26 PM ET

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No not really (RE: Datsyuk). Stamkos hasn’t done much to deserve more than $7 million a year. What? 90 point threshold twice the last two years? $7 million? Here you go. More than that, and claim he isn’t looking for a big pay day, he just wants to be a good teammate? Nope. Not buying it.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 07/11/11 at 08:51 PM ET

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Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 07/11/11 at 06:51 PM ET

This.

Posted by Garth on 07/11/11 at 09:54 PM ET

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I do know that Yzerman’s lowballing him due to this $7 million figure that keeps popping up in newsreports.

a) Just because a number keeps popping up in news reports doesn’t mean it’s accurate.  News reports kept saying that Detroit was firm in their offer of $2M to Jonathan Ericsson.
b) Even if Yzerman offered $7M doesn’t mean that was his final offer or a firm offer.  It could easily have been the starting offer and of course the first offer is going to be lower than what a GM is willing to pay.

Posted by Garth on 07/11/11 at 09:59 PM ET

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Maybe everyone has respect for stevie y.  Who knows.  Maybe because Stamkos is a gamble at this point because he has this great ability to score and enormous potential, yet is still lacking in the defensive department, is very streaky, and still needs to improve his overall game.  TB could always choose to let him go for an $8 million offer by someone.  We all saw what the penner deal did for edmonton.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 07/12/11 at 01:13 PM ET

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No not really (RE: Datsyuk). Stamkos hasn’t done much to deserve more than $7 million a year. What? 90 point threshold twice the last two years? $7 million? Here you go. More than that, and claim he isn’t looking for a big pay day, he just wants to be a good teammate? Nope. Not buying it.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 07/11/11 at 06:51 PM ET

What you’re saying is that one 80 point season and two 30 goal seasons is worth 16% of a team’s available money yet two 90 point seasons plus 50 and 40 goal seasons and a Richard is worth 10% of a team’s available money. Think about that for a minute.

Posted by steviesteve on 07/12/11 at 02:34 PM ET

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