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from Ken Campbell of The Hockey News,

NEWS: Columbus Blue Jackets GM Scott Howson says he refuses to accept anything less than “market value” for disgruntled captain Rick Nash.

VIEW: That’s all well and good, but that same market is basically dictating Nash is not worth the combination of what Howson is asking, plus the pillaging of roster players and prospects Howson insists it will require to get him. That’s essentially why Nash has yet to be traded as we approach the middle of July, with likelihood for a deal anytime soon looking rather slim. Don’t be surprised if the Blue Jackets get much less for Nash than they thought, particularly since Nash continues to be picky about what teams he’ll join.

NEWS: Teams looking for help on defense continue to cast an eye toward Jay Bouwmeester of the Calgary Flames.

VIEW: Good luck with that, eh? Yes, Bouwmeester eats up 26 minutes a game, but when was the last time you watched him play and said to yourself, “Wow, Bouwmeester was a beast out there tonight.” ...

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And Scott Howson still has a job because…?

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 07/09/12 at 04:48 PM ET

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VIEW: That’s all well and good, but that same market is basically dictating Nash is not worth the combination of what Howson is asking, plus the pillaging of roster players and prospects Howson insists it will require to get him. That’s essentially why Nash has yet to be traded as we approach the middle of July, with likelihood for a deal anytime soon looking rather slim. Don’t be surprised if the Blue Jackets get much less for Nash than they thought, particularly since Nash continues to be picky about what teams he’ll join.

uh huh.  Not what all the “experts” were saying 2 weeks ago.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/09/12 at 05:19 PM ET

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Not what all the “experts” were saying 2 weeks ago.

Well, everyone was saying that Nash talks would heat up once the Suter & Parise sweepstakes were over and that hasn`t happened, so apparently the market is dictating that Nash isn`t worth what Howson is asking…

Posted by Garth on 07/09/12 at 05:33 PM ET

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Experts didn’t have the foresight to see this is what was going to happen.  Blows my mind given, based on the facts of what’ve been reported over the past 6 months (not the last week, try to maintain a larger context to see big picture shit) that they thought the market was in their favor.

You especially should know this, campaigning for Ryan and all.  With players like that for less still on the board, who’s going to gut their team and future to become the New Blue Jackets for one player?  Feels more like certain writers write not to inform and disseminate but to try to “make” moves happen or not happen.  As was brought up with the Parise/Suter decision just before July 1.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/09/12 at 05:46 PM ET

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Howson way, way overplayed his hand at the trade deadline.  He will never again be offered as much as he was at that time.  He’ll make a move eventually, but it’ll almost certainly be heavier in draft picks and lighter in current players and prospects.

Posted by shazam88 from SoCal on 07/09/12 at 06:07 PM ET

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Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/09/12 at 03:46 PM ET

I dunno man.  I get the feeling that Howson’s chances of getting top dollar for Nash are starting to diminish.  Everyone knows that keeping him in Columbus isn’t a good option to put it lightly.  Now rumors are out that the Rangers are moving on.

If the teams on Nash’s list sign the likes of Doan or Semin, or make trades for Bouwmeester or Yandle; the likelihood of them dealing for Nash will go down.  It isn’t hard to see that Nash (whether he means to or not) has the CBJ over a barrel.  The longer Howson waits, the more the price for Nash will go down.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/09/12 at 06:20 PM ET

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The longer Howson waits, the more the price for Nash will go down.

Posted by bezukov from Nasburgum delenda est. on 07/09/12 at 04:20 PM ET

Rapidly diminishing returns on investment…or some shit like that.

After rejecting the Rangers’ offer last year, Howson showed his hand before the flop and now everyone’s checking or folding.  Howson has a lousy poker face.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/09/12 at 06:37 PM ET

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Experts didn’t have the foresight to see this is what was going to happen.  Blows my mind given, based on the facts of what’ve been reported over the past 6 months (not the last week, try to maintain a larger context to see big picture shit) that they thought the market was in their favor.

This is why “the experts” aren’t NHL general managers, and why Scott Howson is bad at his job and should feel bad.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 07/09/12 at 07:06 PM ET

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The problem for Howson is the same one he faced at the deadline and the same one he’ll face in the future regardless of how long he holds on to Nash: nobody is going to mortgage their present AND their future.  Anyone who wants Nash is going to want to know they can win, either immediately or in the very near future.  That means they can’t afford to give up 2-3 proven, marketable NHL commodities unless they’re holding on to some prospects who are very close to contributing in a big way at the NHL level.  If the Blue Jackets want to move Nash they will eventually have to settle for either a package or picks, prospects, and salary dumps, or a couple of NHL players.  They will never get both in the same deal.  If they’re smart about this the Blue Jackets can use Nash to rebuild the franchise but it won’t be a quick turnaround and it will be up to them to capitalize on the picks and prospects they are able to obtain in the deal (something they’ve completely failed to do during their history). 

There’s no question Nash is a very good player and would be a big boost for the teams on his list.  The problem is that when a player is making $7.8 million per year he needs to be the best player on the team, and despite all the poor decisions made by the Blue Jackets I think it’s basically been proven that you won’t win the cup with Nash as your best player.  If Nash wanted to have the ability to leave Columbus and dictate his destination, and the Blue Jackets wanted to be able to trade him and get a maximum return, neither side should have signed a contract with such a long term and such a big cap hit.

Posted by RoneFace on 07/09/12 at 07:10 PM ET

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Howson way, way overplayed his hand at the trade deadline.  He will never again be offered as much as he was at that time.

My recollection is his best offer at the trade deadline was a bunch of junk. Dubinsky, two C prospects and a late first rounder. I wouldn’t trade Chris Kunitz for that, let alone Rick Nash, not because I have delusions about the value of Kunitz, but because the package isn’t worth anything

Now, if it’s true Howson asked Rutherford for Skinner, then he’s off his rocker. But that doesn’t mean he should have accepted salary dumps and never-will-be’s from Sather.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/09/12 at 07:26 PM ET

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The last time I checked, “the market” determines what “fair market value” of a commodity is. In this case, it’s Rick Nash, and “the market” has determined he’s not worth the king’s ransom that Howson is demanding.

But either way, he’s going to need to take salary dumps if he hopes to reach the cap floor this season.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 07/09/12 at 07:35 PM ET

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He has to take salary, yes.

That does not mean he needs to take a Brandon Dubinsky or a Shawn Horcoff as the main piece in the deal. Salary can and should come in the form of a useful player. Not Skinner, obviously, but there’s a world of space between getting Skinner for Nash and being crazy not to take a salary dump and a bunch of nothing prospects for Nash.

I suspect the only reason Holmgren hasn’t picked up the phone, offered Brayden Schenn and, I don’t know, Matt Read (and fleeced Howson yet again) is that he happens to have just traded for Luke Schenn in an unrelated deal.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/09/12 at 07:55 PM ET

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Howson is an idiot.  I guess my memory is too short because I don’t remember the experts saying that the Jackets were going to get the high price Howson is asking for Nash.  The great things is that no matter what they get for Nash, with the Jackets history it will turn out to be a flop.

Posted by HockeyFanOhio from Central Ohio on 07/09/12 at 08:44 PM ET

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What the particularly stupid GMs rolling around nowadays don’t understand is that in a capped league it’s not just how good a player is that determines his ‘market value’.  The contract of the player in question also has to be considered.

If Rick Nash was signed to a 5 mil per cap hit for 5 years, his trade value would be MUCH higher than it is under his current contract, which is probably too much and is certainly for too long.

Sather was allegedly willing to trade Dubinsky, his 2010 first round prospect, another prospect and a #1 pick for Nash.  If Howson had any sense at all he would have leapt at the offer.

But he doesn’t, so he didn’t, and now he’s screwed… because nobody is going to beat that offer for Nash.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/09/12 at 09:12 PM ET

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The Hockeys News should hire more writers. I think Campbell and Proteau write the whole thing.

Posted by Alan on 07/09/12 at 10:12 PM ET

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What the particularly stupid GMs rolling around nowadays don’t understand is that in a capped league it’s not just how good a player is that determines his ‘market value’.  The contract of the player in question also has to be considered.

If Rick Nash was signed to a 5 mil per cap hit for 5 years, his trade value would be MUCH higher than it is under his current contract, which is probably too much and is certainly for too long.

Sather was allegedly willing to trade Dubinsky, his 2010 first round prospect, another prospect and a #1 pick for Nash.  If Howson had any sense at all he would have leapt at the offer.

But he doesn’t, so he didn’t, and now he’s screwed… because nobody is going to beat that offer for Nash.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/09/12 at 07:12 PM ET

What you’re not seeing is that Dubinsky being included in a salary dump makes Rick Nash, for all intents and purposes, a player with a $4 million cap hit. The Rangers were not offering blue chippers. They were offering the equivalent of Kris Beech, Ross Lupaschuk and a late first rounder for Rick Nash on the condition Columbus take a player they don’t need in a salary dump. They were not even offering as much as Waddell got in exchange for 2 months of Hossa (shero didn’t insist on dumping salary in that deal, after all), let alone what Shero got for Jordan Staal. It’s a (lonely) feather in Howson’s cap that he refused that deal.

Posted by larry from pitt on 07/10/12 at 05:22 AM ET

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